The Case for the NULO (Golden Rainbow)

What in the heck are you talkin about Sammy. Don't you mean poor lil LDI "we want peace" spiel? Yes you do. You lost don't cry, its not my fault, just hush and move on, and its going to be ok.

This is the longest, most civil discussion I have ever read on the LU forum pages.
And, it is moderated by Wendy with input from King H regarding the NLUO?

Who made the Kool-Aid and why didn't I get any?

I'll send you a pitcher of it with those invites.

Lost what?

I have beaten you and every assorted asshat that you con into fighting for you. Just because you deny a fact does not make it so.

So back to NLUO.

How is this going to change anything?

1. The only terrorist I see on LU is named Wendy. Will the NLUO strike her dead with magic beans? How is the NLUO going to change you is my question.

2. Why should any president pay attention to such nonsensical statements as "power" or "establishment".

The only problems I see anyone having once again are you two. The vast bulk of the players have no issues. Except when their real life personalities cause conflict. Other than war their is no possible way to impact another country. Thus any such notion of power is ridiculous. We are players. We have just played for a longer time.

3. What is wrong with the Security Council as it exists today. It gives out aid to new players. That's its only purpose. Why change something that works?

4. Why would any reasonable player with prior knowledge of your conduct be associated with you?

You claim freedom but your idea of freedom conflicts with others right to exist in peace. Therefore you are fighting for the right to be a pest. Is that the purpose of this organization? To protect the annoying and give them some sort of sim power to harass and inflict their ideas on the rest of the players? With you involved that's my view.

Please elaborate.

1. The only terrorist I see on LU is named Wendy. Will the NLUO strike her dead with magic beans? How is the NLUO going to change you is my question.

I don't see the NLUO declaring on me for dumb reason, LIKE you and countless others have, so there will be no need for the NLUO to change anything.

The question is, what will you do Mr Morals, to ensure that you don't create another person like me, who is tired of your crap and doesn't care what you do? You and LDI created who I am, I have begun using YOUR standards for Decs and intolerance on the forums. Now all is worng. This is the double standard I speak of. Its ok for you to act like an asshat, but not me. Hmmm. Appropriately the question is, what will YOU do to take responsibility for who you have created?? Where is this great sense of community now? Nowhere, you only wish to look untouchable to the public and , shout"do as i say, not as I do."

Elaborate on that, What will you do. Becuase every aggressive approach has been hostile and military in nature and has only served to destabilize the LU community, when will YOU take responsibility for YOUR actions and how will YOU try to avert another person having to act like me?

Do tell Mr Morals.

Didn't you host that show, "Sam's Morality Corner"?

It was cancelled? Well that explains everything.

Stuart, you are still decing on my fed, and you said you would not. Do not pay attention to what they say, and deal with me. I am the chairman. deal with me..

I could not read through all of the posts. The boring thread insults have a point. Towards the top Keith points out there are 1748 presidents on Little Upsilon. I see 2732.

Realistically many of the 2732 "presidents" are people who don't stick with the game. Another large chunk barely take the time to learn how to play. Of the remaining presidents you have active players. You can get an estimate of population density by zooming in on a region and looking for red and purple shaded countries. However, many of experience and expanding players own 10 to 15 countries so that means there are very few.

I believe that if you offered a $SC cash reward to anyone willing to log onto a website and post one grammatically correct sentence you will still fail to get 144 people from LU on that site. Real cash and direct messaging might get them to look once.

LMAO Pathetic Sheep I agree wholeheartedly.

But I would attribute lack of grammar skills to typing "fast" I for one hate backspacing.

You failed to answer the questions. Instead you brought out the poor pitiful Wendy spiel.

/me plays tiny violin.

Jack Frost (Little Upsilon)
Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:47 pm Click here to edit this post

First Off Wendy, I would like to thank you for answering my previous question in the manner that you did.

Next.
Somewhere in here I read something along the lines that, if members went to war you would go to vote on what action to take. Now I have 2 scenarios I would like you to explain how the NLUO would react to.

1. An NLUO member against a non NLUO member NLUO declared.

2. 2 non NLUO members.


Last.
I would like to know how you plan to stop any abuse of power within NLUO that you claim the bigger feds abuse.


With Regards,
Jack Frost

You failed to answer the questions. What will YOU do to avert another disaster?

Instead you brought out the poor pitiful "Disenfranchised Warmonger Vet spiel."

@Jack

I would not know how the community would respond to such action, therefore the answer is still undefined as I don't represent everyones' vote, only my own.

Hmm let me answer. Nothing. You are at best a minor annoyance and your own worst enemy. Watching you phail in such an epic manner has given me many laughs.

Now answer the questions Windy.

Johanas,

You just gave a perfectly good reason to encourage Heze to keep trying. Shooting NULO down before it gets rolling will deny some people his/her entertainment.

Scuzymatt mentioned the "warmonger vet". It should be obvious that people who choose to play and continue enjoying a war game do not have the same tastes as people who choose to play a political game. It is similar to the difference between people who play football and people who sign up for model united nations. If Heze was trying to convince W3C to vastly expand the roll of the UN in the game or change the war game mechanics to benefit majority dictatorship, then you would have a good reason to shoot down the idea before it was implemented. Heze's suggestion does nothing to the game mechanics.

If King Hezekiah succeeds in creating some strange form of global government it would give everyone else something to rebel against. If it creates an economic success we get something to pillage. If global government gets overwhelming majority support we can still look forward to the inevitable civil war. Pointing out that the system will be manipulated and abused for the benefit of a few does not mean that it is a bad idea. The power of corruption ensures that conflict will be generated.

"Hmm let me answer. Nothing. You are at best a minor annoyance and your own worst enemy. Watching you phail in such an epic manner has given me many laughs."

From a neutral party.

You attract more Flies with honey than vinegar.
You can't insult someone into coming to the table.

example-
"B$#ch get your ass over hear!"

"No. Go F urself in the A with large WS"

thank you,
Poobah

I wish everyone would not address the NLUO as King's creation. I was not the only one who created it. Here is how the government will work.

ELECTIONS:The NLUO elections are held when an Elite Party member's 10 Term is up, and has to run for re-election against an Inner Party contentder. Election day is November 4th of the year the incumbent Elite Party member's 10 year term is up. All NLUO members are encouraged to vote. Both candidates will bring what their credentials are to the table and be voted on by all of the NLUO members. There will be an alert 6 LU months prior to the election. This same process would apply for the outer Party, and the Masses Party as well.

We will start out with 48 seats, and as it gains speed, and more nations join, we will balloon to the full 144 members. This is called the Chamber Structure, which is another name for congress.

There are 4 political parties
The Elite Party: This party is the main Party. It controls the policies, and has the final say in all World issues, War, feds, common markets, terrorism, etc. The Elite Party is the Legislature, and the executive. It has 12 seats for now but will eventually grow to 26 seats. The Elite Party controls the Security Council on LU via 8 NLUO members apart of the LU Security Council at all times. Elite Party members also control the Think Takes, which is where all of the NLUO policies come from. These members are in no way shape or form better than anyone else in this system, but every society must have leaders.

The Inner Party: This Party is the opposition to the Elite Party members. Through this party, the LU community, and the Inner Party can vote out Elite Party members who seem to become corupt or the community just do not like them through an election. This party controls the federations, and regulates the Military complex. If this party does not vote on war with a majority, then the Elite Party cannot go to war.

The Outer Party: This Party is the opposition to the Inner Party members. Through this party, Outer party members can challenge the Inner Party members for seats in an election. This party regulates the common markets of the NLUO. The Inner Party cannot vote on war without this party voting in a majority to go to war. This party also regulates the Federations.

The Masses Party: This is the beginning of the World government. This is the LU public who are apart of the government. This is ground zero right above the federations: This party contends with the Outer Party for seats in an Election.

FEDERATIONS in the NLUO: Federations are ground zero of Little Upsilon. These feds are how policy gets across LU, along with common markets, and the Simcountry forums, and polls. All wars will be fought as federations, and not nation against nation. If a nation in the fed starts a war with a nation not in the NLUO, without going through the proper channels. That nation will be brought up on charges of Treason, and voted out of the fed, common market, and the NLUO, and isolated.

COMMON MARKETS of the NLUO: Common markets, if enough consolidation can yeild a very cheap World Market, and new nations can profit very quick, and then we can begin recruiting that nation for the NLUO.

MILITARY COMPLEX: The military Complex is the military of all of the Federations, and LArge Empires that are apart of the NLUO. This is just a consolidation of militaries, just as a federation does, but on a much larger scale. A scale that any one nation or Empire would be intimidated by.

I hope this can clear up anything that is concerned with the NLUO and how it works, and how it is a fair system. No one nation can become to corupt because I can see already, that someone would check that nation, and get him or her booted out of the World Government. It starts with Elections. There is the freedom. What do you all think?

Let's get to work installing it, and recruiting members...

Seven Nation Army is not a "military complex."

We are one of the largest federations on Little Upsilon, but our members are independent states. We are democratic, not a dictatorship.

You should become more familiar with our form of federation:
http://web.mac.com/mburckhalter/iWeb/SevenNationArmy/Home.html

I can't speak for VS, but I can't imagine them 'fitting into' this system the way it is currently structured.

It might be best to come up with a new plan with broader world participation.

How would it be ensured that the Inner Party remained the "opposition" party to the Elites?

How would it be ensured that the Outer Party remained the "opposition" party to the Inners?

What would stop the members of any large federation from voting their own members into positions in all parties and therefore controlling the entire structure of the government?

How would the World Body enforce its rules if one member violated its charter?

If a VS or SNA member in the NLUO dec'd on a nation and the NLUO government voted on sanctions, how would the Elites ensure that the other members of that Fed would not cote in support of the nation that violated the council's vote?

I have tried to be open to this idea for the NLUO because I agree it has a potential in theory, but this expanded version of how the structure would work only causes me to question it efficacy.

Thanks in advance for your consideration of my questions.
Zen.

I can't imagine that VS would ever be involved in such a scheme.

I can't imagine that Hez or Wendy actually think this could have any chance of success. Seriously, that stretches the limits of my credulity to beyond the breaking point, and I have NO illusions about the stupidity of the masses so saying I don't believe most people would be stupid enough to buy into this says quite a lot. To my way of thinking, that leaves rabblerousing as the only possible reason that they are pushing this agenda so hard, and judging by the number of posts in response to theirs it's working. Can we stop feeding the trolls, please?

How would it be ensured that the Inner Party remained the "opposition" party to the Elites?

How would it be ensured that the Outer Party remained the "opposition" party to the Inners?

What would stop the members of any large federation from voting their own members into positions in all parties and therefore controlling the entire structure of the government?

ANSWER:The true nations of honesty, and intergrety will root them out. This government is so tranparent, it won't be hard to see coruption and get rid of it.

How would the World Body enforce its rules if one member violated its charter?

ANSWER: Diplomacy, Security Council Resolutions, Presidential Boycotts, and small decs through the NLUO Feds to let that nation know the NLUO means business. That is only if the nation is hostile militarily will we use all out war from all federations, and Empires of the NLUO.


If a VS or SNA member in the NLUO dec'd on a nation and the NLUO government voted on sanctions, how would the Elites ensure that the other members of that Fed would not cote in support of the nation that violated the council's vote?

The Chairmen of the fed would be held accountable, and would face being expelled out as chairman of that fed

@Elaieva, please do not be derogatory on this thread. We have gone this long with no bad retoric, let's keep it civil. Thank for you support.

@ Stuart, Hey what's going on man? How are you?

Are you still decing on my fed? If you are, would you stop? You are riling them all up..

Anyways, good to see ya today...

and how are you going to expell a chairman of a fed that wants that person to be chairman?

King dude - look at your thread on war and peace. I explained it all there.....