Security Council Aid (Kebir Blue)

No.I am bain...May I ask a question?Whom is the lh I hear so much about?It has me a bit curious,for you are not the first one to speak of him...I am a native american from Missiouri.
My mom and dad moved me to this state when I was a young man...Orginally we was from Oklahoma.

@ Crafty

Bluntly, in my opinion, if you are developing strategic weapons you should be able to fund your own earthquake relief.

@ Bain

Please take this discussion to a new thread. This thread is for aid discussions only.

@ KB Community

I messaged KTM after I saw the aid proposal and asked him to post some info. here. He replied back asking how to get to the forum, lol. (I think he definitely meets the requirement of a new player.) I gave him instructions, so hopefully he will make his way here.

However, if not, I will add that I voted in favor of his aid request because he meets the conditions listed at the top of this thread.

Mr. Henry, with all due respect:

1) I intend to fund my own relief, it was a mild quake anyway and I believe my federation would help should I need it. I have relief ready should any of them require my few blankets.

2) Nowhere is it even hinted at that stratrgic weapons corps are any different from any other, (particularly for a newbie). In fact there other corps that require greater resources and are non military, airports, production plants, hospitals for example.

Would you say developing these excludes a country from receiving relief?

Seems very similar to the US using their force to prevent Iran or others from developing nuclear weapons. I'm sure that isn't the security councils philosophy, so a less dismissive reply may have been in order.

Respectfully, CC.

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The documentation clearly states that all strategic weapons are very costly.

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there other corps that require greater resources and are non military, airports, production plants, hospitals for example.<!-/Quote-!>

Even as a newbie, you figured out the difference between a nuclear weapon and a hospital. To compare the resources they use is like comparing apples to oranges.

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Seems very similar to the US using their force to prevent Iran or others from developing nuclear weapons. I'm sure that isn't the security councils philosophy, so a less dismissive reply may have been in order.<!-/Quote-!>

By proposing a country receive aid, I am throwing my support behind that country and that president. Simply, I personally, am choosing not to support presidents who develop strategic programs. I do not speak for the security council, nor do I represent an overarching philosophy.

However, I do apologize if my original response was overly dismissive.

Kevin

And my apologies too Kevin, looks like I opened mouth before engaging brain. I posted on the presumption that you were the 'Chair' of the council and so set its policy, but further investigation shows me the set up.

Good luck in using the money wisely,

Sincerely CC

hi
how and where do i apply for aid, i have so much debt.
Roc Raida
KB

just put in aid request for Mindai, can some council member please pu tin aid request for other outstanding requests?

@ Neil

Please unblock the financial index and the strategic weapons index for Roc Raida.

@ Just Spock

Thanks for putting Mindai up. Are there any outstanding requests?

@ KB Community

The country KTM just entered general voting. The president is having technical difficulties and is unable to view the forum. I have been in steady communication with him. Due to that communication and the fact that he does meet the aid requirements, I encourage everyone to support the proposal. I also asked him to send me a message about his goals on KB, here's his response:

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I would like to use this money to strengthen my economy by heavy investments in loans and to expand the country by gaining population and increasing my corporations. I am a peaceful nation with only the intent on building my defensive capabilities for the purpose of defense only. I play the game for its business rather than war. Many thanks, Garry Davidson<!-/Quote-!>

During my time on the Security Council I have voted for some aid request, and against others. The criteria that I use has basically three components.
1) NEED vs. WANT - A player that has gotten to the point of being in NEED of aid, through little or no fault of their own, disaster or such, is very different from the player that just WANTS. Generally, it has been my experience that the wanting player has already blown through whatever resources at their disposal on programs that do not foster a stable growing economy, and/or threaten those players around them. Additional funds would only reward poor, unwanted, or unwise behavior. Whereas a player in NEED, who is trying to build an empire, or even just a country that will prosper over the long haul is one that I am much more incline to assist.
2)Age of Country/Empire - An Experienced player should/will have the knowledge to work through a disaster. A relative new player may not know how , or have had the time to build the reserves to weather a crisis.They may say "the hell with this" and leave the game when they are not in as bad shape as it might appear. Here, aid (along with some mentoring) can be very useful to them.
3)Tranparency - Financial, Defensive, and Offensive Indexes need to be open for inspection. This allows a more detailed look at the conditions, and priorities of the country/empire that caused them to arrive at the point where they felt the need to request aid. If you come "hat in hand" you should be prepared to justify your request.
I realize that I come to the table with some preconceived ideas of how the game should be played, and that others will disagree with some or all of those ideas. These ideas have been developed over the 200 game years that I have been in Simcountry. I respect differing approaches to the game. I don't except everyone who seeks aid to run their countries the way I do. But I do except a certain level of conduct. One that fosters a growing (both in terms of economic strength, and respect in the wider community) country/empire.

Having been given aid at one point for going through 3 or 4 earthquakes within 2 RL weeks, I usually sympathize with a lot of requests for aid. However, before I vote for mindai, I need an explanation of why someone that has almost 7T in cash and has a healthy economy needs another 3T.

Like I said, I sympathize with need, but I need a more convincing argument than mindai being a new player.

GJC, I too sympathize with the need, and as a result of this thread have topped up my ability to aid others. (Now I just have to figure out how to deploy the aid ;-)

To be honest, I stopped voting for the aid proposals. At the risk of sounding cranky, I don't get how a country that ranks well above mine needs free money. But at the same time I don't want to stand in the way of providing assistance to those who have a need that isn't apparent to me.

A better system, in my view, would be to scrap the Security Council aid system altogether and replace it with an automated feature that gifts money to new players who are truly struggling, based, say, on their level of debt.

Be well!

I am President of "La Republica del Melodo", Just started this game 4 days ago, So far I think I made alot of newbie mistakes. Already close to 1T in debt, I am using some coins to buy more money.

Do I qualify for Aid and help?

After viewing your country, I would say you should be given aid due to your situation simceo

SimCEO,
I think you could get out of that mess without the bailout. You should sell off all of your offensive weapons and as many defensive weapons as you can and then try and convince CEOs to purchase your corporations by dropping your tax rate and advertising on the board. God knows they've come to my aid. You can work your way through this one.

I just suggest trying to fix the problem yourself. It's more rewarding that way. The Security Council will still be around and it's an easier sell for general votes if you showed that you tried to fix it yourself.

Also, don't be afraid to ask for advice on the boards. The wiki has a great guide for beginners as well.

BC

BorderC thanks for the advise, I will start on some of your recommendations.

One thing that mislead me was the conditions for Lvl 2 keeps reminding me to buy weapons ( especially defense weapons to reach 75%)

Also there are such a critical shortages of mid level managers.

And before reading some of this board's advise, and thinking ammunitions is a constant need, I build 3 ammo corps to meet the supply, and the AI advisor even advise me to stockpile ammo, I read somewhere some people has 100000 -200000 missils, so I was thinking ammo stockpile should be at 100000 minimum.

Looks like I might be heading for 2T debt before I can turn things around.

I was looking at the loan interest rate of 30% that world bank charges, I am thinking the aid can take the form of a interest free loan.

That way I can build out with 5T worth of funds and pay it back later.

Since the security counsel has so much money sitting around, I can certainly use some now.

My thinking is no 5T is an enormous sum for me, but maybe 3 month later that amount is just my game month cash flow maybe.

Simcoe,

Several points...

1- Dont worry about reaching level 2 two early. Yes, you will want to get there eventually, but not in 4 days... I took about a month for example (and made level 3 only 2 days after level 2.)... Build your economy first. Once you have an economic base in place, then worry about getting to 75% defence. For reference, the cheapest way to get defensive index point is buying Missil Interceptor Batteries. You will need about 17000 of them. They currently cost (on KB, it will depend a bit on world) 21M each, and a bit more for market competition, so say 25M. That means they will cost you about 430B to buy (and then you need to maintain them.) Until you are in a position to devote some 500B to weapons, you should not even look at them.

2-Your waepon overstock is part of your medium manager problem. All weapons need soldiers to run them. Privates and commanders. The privates come from low level workers. The commangers come form medium managers. Sell a lot of weapons, and you will recover these managers.

3- You only need ammo for fighting.... Ammo does not help your indexes... Stockpile when you are ready for a war (you will stay in safe mode at least until then, so you cannot be attacked). This will only be after your economy is going full tilt... Also, weapons corps are relatively hard to make profitable. You are better off with safer corps, and buying the weapons on the market.

4- Dont worry about the 30%... It is per REAL LIFE year. In game terms, it is pretty nearly interest free. The interest is insignificant.

5- There is no game mechanism to pay back the council, but in any event, point 4 makes the idea of a low fairly irrelevant.

My pleasure SimCEO. I've only been around for a couple months myself. I was fortunate to come across the wiki within a couple days of playing so that helped me a great deal (except with managing corporations - still trying to get those figured out) and people on the boards are (for the most part) upstanding.

Since you are playing in Kebir Blue you're main country doesn't have to worry about security because you can't be attacked unless you manually take it off of Secure Mode. Your focus should be on creating a good economy that can support a military if you want one in the future. Once your economy is up and running and you have 2+ trillion in cash to work with you can build up an offensive military then if you want to take a C3, or you can build up your defensive military if you want to get to Level 2 (and I'm pretty sure that ammo has little or no affect on the defensive index so you don't need to spend money on that).

Check with the experts here, but I've been told that the 30% loan is 30% over a real time year which means it's only around 1% per game year - which is close to free money.

Of course if you want the free money then go for it. I'd rather you take that then possibly give up out of frustration.

BC


Edit... Well said Charles III. I was posting as you posted.

One more note for SimCEO,

If you are concerned with going up levels then don't take another country. The indices are measured by the average of your countries, so if you take another one then you will have to build it up to those levels as well or have one built up enough to compensate for the other.

BC

GaliusJuliusCeasar -

I tried to go for lvl 2 and lvl 3 but failed miserably thinking that would help me. I went into debt and used 10 GCs to buy my way out of it. Then I decided to build up my economy then go for levels. I had requested aid as I was going into debt but by the time the request was made, I was climbing out due to massive sale of weapons.

I can use GCs to purchase cash if needed but as I fit the qualifications to ask for aid, I did. And I see other countries who (in my own opinion) are better off than myself receive aid, I thought I would receive some. But as it looks, I don't think I'll receive the aid. I guess I will just have to sell more GCs.

Ok I am starting to sell my military off,

one interesting thing is I did free up alot of mid lvl managers almost 100000 of em pretty good.

I will also not buy a free country for now, thanks for the info on how lvls are calculated.

If I can get the Aid then I will conserve my GC to boost corps and buy Population.

I am curious is how do I go about requesting Aid from Security Consel?

You can just ask in this tread (in essence you already did), or message one of the members.

Judging from recent votes, it looks like aid for specific needs are getting support, but general request for 5T to help is getting voted down... You might have a better chance for success if you ask for 2T to cover the debth you have built up, instead of asking for the full 5T. Obviously, 5T would help more, but not if it gets voted down...

I have proposed $3 trillion in aid for the "La Republica del Melodo", for the reasons discussed above.

The president SimCEO has shown great potential by asking for and implementing the advice of more veteran players. By supporting this proposal, you are demonstrating to all of KB that building one's economy and seeking out advice are actions that this community supports. Once the proposal reaches general voting, I hope everyone will vote "YES"!

Thank you very much Kevin,

I hope I will become a contributing member in the future in KB.

I have set my taxes toward zero, is there any CEO's that like particular corps? If so I can set up new corps for them to invest and buy.

Also I have a question, is it possible to play both CEO and President in the same world?

CEO's like profitable corps... Some products are better than others (Factory maintanace units, oil, electronic components have been winners recently, tho these things are cyclicle.) Having said that, building corps with the explicite idea of selling them may not be optimum... If you are at 0% and set up decently, anoucing on the forums will usually get quite a few CEO's to build their own corperation in your country. (Which is more efficient for you since they pay the initial build cost, and are the ones who have to deal with the new compagny, which is likely to make very poor profits (often losses) in the first several years of its existance.)

You are at 0% tax, but your indexes are still prety low, making you not that attractive for CEO's (compagnies productivity depends on your indexes). You should try to get education, health and transportation up a bit (past 100 for all; 150 for education is nice, but will take a bit longer.)... With decent indexes, and available workers, if you annouce you are looking for CEO's, they will come.

And yes, you can play CEO and President at the same time on the same planet. You will need to buy the new enterprise with GC. You can also use the enterprise to build in countries you own if you wish (tho there is a maximum of 12 corperations per country.)

Houston,

Much better explanation than what I got from the proposal page on security council. I would be willing to help if I can.

Outstanding Aid Requests

Keddis13 has requested $4 trillion in aid for the country "Pecunia". This new president's country meets all the aid conditions. in addition, he was just hit by a large earthquake.