Security Council Aid (Kebir Blue)

This is based off of Martock's leadership on LU:

I've decided to start a weekly or bi-weekly thread for AID package requests. I will try to maintain this until my time on the council runs out. I would like to request that other SC members put forth request for aid.

Any country requesting aid needs to the following conditions:

1) Remove the secrecy for their Financial Index and Strategic Force Index. - Reasoning here is simple, if you have nukes you should already have a decent economy in place to maintain them. Also, I'd like to make sure that you're not going into debt buy constantly buying up weapons. I don't want to support your wet dreams of global proportions.

2) Dismantle any plutonium mines, weapons grade uranium corps, and strategic weapons corps. Of the strategic weapons corps, I will limit this to nuke missiles, nuke sub missiles, tactical nukes, chemical missiles, and strategic bombs. You can produce all the nuke subs, strategic bombers and various weapon launchers you want.

3) Relatively new player - To be this means you're country has been under your control for less than 100 game years. It's basically my way of saying that I won't be giving out aid to vets and I define 'Vets' as those players who've been around for 100+ game years.

I'm putting these conditions forth as I don't feel like supporting nutters out there with global ambitions or nuke fetishes. My offer is open to any and ALL who ask. This includes ALL of our current bad boys and good kiddies. I will not promise that the resolution will be accepted just that it will be put forth. I also won't promise that I will vote for any resolution I put up. "The Security Council has 414.31T SC$ in cash." I'd like to see that number drop but really that's up to the community.

You can leave a request here, message me at Steelers Country, or message any of the other 15 council members. No promises that they'll respond or even put forth any resolution. -- Kevin

Here is my confession. I have been one of the ones that voted "no" for at least 2 or 3 aid packages since I've joined. The first one was a request for a new player who already had over $5 trillion in assets and some 12 to 15 million population.

People have done such a good job helping people on the Wiki and these message boards that it's hard to understand why people need to be given money. I had a difficult time understanding the game at first but I just followed the Wiki and others advice and my country hasn't come close to going into debt..... yet....

As far as catastrophes go, I thought that individual countries sent aid. Why do we need the council to send more? Admittedly, I've never been hit by an earthquake so I don't know how bad they get, but I've always thought that the system set up for countries to aid other countries was a really good feature. Are countries not getting enough aid from the friendly countries?

I'm not setting up an argument here, I just wanted to explain why I (and possibly others) haven't voted for any proposals of that kind. If I saw a new person who was many trillions in debt, then sure, I'd vote for it. I'll also be more than willing to send money or supplies to countries devastated by an earthquake.


BC

PS.
Where does the Security Council money come from? Are countries taxed?

Kevin,
i like your ideas. they certainly make sense and i'll support you on this.

@ BorderC:

I'm glad you posted, because you are definitely not alone. First, let me address your question.

I think, although it's been a while since I've read this, that the security council money does come from active countries. (Is this correct, John?)But it's a minuscule amount that you'll never notice. Obviously, it adds up quickly, and there's no way to opt out of the tax.

So the bottom line is we have 400+ trillion dollars just sitting around. We could let it continue to sit and build, but for what reason?

As you state, many countries that would be eligible for aid under the posted conditions, could be making profits each game month. But, as you know, it takes a lot of time and money to grow a country. For example, it takes a lot of money to build even a decent defense. I view the 5 trillion in aid as a relatively small amount that achieves two goals:

1) It will help the player develop their country a little quicker.

2) It can encourage presidents to become responsible members of KB. Basically, it gives the KB community the chance to reward players for behaviors the benefit the greater good. For example, maybe the chosen president has decided to set their taxes at 0% and open their country up to CEO's.

What do you think?

@ John R:

That's interesting. I am definitely open to any changes that the KB community would like to see in the aid conditions.

@ Ebby:

Thank you! It's great to have the support of such a respected member of KB!

Kevin

You get taxed 125 000$ for every million in population. The tax is something around that, probably even less. You cannot avoid it.

The tiered system was developed by the last giants of WG, a few weeks after the Security Council was implemented.

I don't have much interest in updating it. I have a greater interest in changing the way the Council works.

I support Kevin's suggestion. The Aid package will be a good way to encourage new players. Besides, the grant money is wasted if we do nothing about it. First i would go through disaster page to see if any new president have needs..

Thank you for your support, Just Spock!

Currently, there's only one Large Earthquake on the disaster page, and it was in one of Ebby's countries.

I definitely agree that the security council should support new players that have to work through a large/major diaster.

Can my country, Mindai receive aid?

a request has been made for Helm. please voice your opinion.

Hello all,

I have just put in a request for council aid...

I have been playing about a month (real time), and yesterday had my country (Dornix) hit with a "large earthquake, magnitude of 7.83; 48300 civilians wounded and 377139 persons evacuated in Dornix.

Initial damages were farily easy to cover (with generouse aid from Kingdom of Heanven. Thanks!), and I though it was all a failry minor event.

Then today I logged in again to find that 7 corperations! (all profitable ones) had shut down. This will be significantly more difficult to recover, and I have asked for security council aid to assist in rebuilding this infrastructure.

I beleive the standard packages are 5T and 1T. Since rebuilding corperations cost something like 100B each, I beleive that 1T should just about cover the losses from the quack, and have thus requested this amount.

I hope the community will agree this is good use of council money, and support this request.

I think Charles III's request is fair and reasonable. I just entered the proposal for Helm.
somebody please enter the proposal for Dornix.

I entered a proposal for Dornix. I proposed $2 trillion. Although, $1 trillion would cover the cost of rebuilding, it certainly wouldn't come close to reimbursing the market value loss of seven profitable corps. I encourage KB to vote YES!

Outstanding Requests

Houston has requested aid for Mindai.
(Mindai meets the above conditions.)

Thanks I'm not sure how much to ask for, but any aid will be appreciated

I was torn on the Helms proposal. Since it appears that it will pass I voted no because I have reservations. In general I think Kevin's guidelines are good ones, but I'd like to set out my thoughts so that if I'm off base someone can enlighten me... I know I have a lot to learn.

Here are my reasons for voting no:
- It seems to me that the president of Helms wildly overextended him/herself, taking over three countries in three game years
- The main country has only 2T in cash, so why, I wonder, has another 2T been loaned out
- I was unable to see the finances of the two slave countries, as they are secret
- I didn't see anything to suggest that the country couldn't recover in time (though I admit that I have suffered no disasters yet myself and so am not entirely sure of their impact)

Being relatively new myself, and apparently more cautious than the president of Helms, perhaps I'm being too strict (and/or reading the country's info without good comprehension). Maybe the point here is more about putting that 414T slush fund to work.

In any case, as I say, I only went ahead and voted in the negative because it appears that the proposal will be approved. Otherwise I would have posted here before voting.

Thanks & regards -

Scott

You lack foundations and didn't finish your argumentation.

Perhaps the best is to gather two things:
- This book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Theory_of_Justice
- My example.

References are always important.

- I have thirteen countries.
- My main country alone has more cash than the Security Council Fund.
- A secret or open Finance Index is irrelevant. Either is it open or not, the case doesn't change. The person doesn't change, the situation doesn't change, the arguments don't change; then, why should he be treated different?
:::This last point is rather annoying to me. I resume it down to Law for the sake of law. Nonsensical criteria ignoring the true subject at hands.

Scott Hifeng : I respect your decision for voting no to my requested aid. First of let me tell you, Security Council is around to implement its rules/guidelines, wether the player requesting for aid is as conservative as yourself or as ambitious as other players.

Your reasons are far beyond the argument you originally pointed out. Is it the way the council approve requests? or is it the condition of the country requesting? The way the president runs the country is an exclusive right given by sim to play the game the way the player wants and not by other players will just to satisfy their thoughts. The point is, is Helms qualified to receive aid? whatever the condition of the country is, you must look or view the point outside your personal wishes. If I meet your personal conditions would've you voted yes? Then if its the case I should've asked for your aid instead of the council's, if so would you be able to give me what my country needed when it was hit by earthquake? Oh and by the way you don't need to see my other countries finances because they were not hit by earthquake when the request was entered. (just to tell you I requested the aid in good faith and not the way you think) My request has purpose and it makes sense. Hope you prosper and I wish you don't get hit by a large earthquake. Goodluck

The State Roswell needs aid,may me and my people be added to that list?

@ Bainthewarrior

There is no country with that name on KB.

Outstanding Requests

Houston has requested aid for Mindai.

Awwwww.You mean to tell me since I am on WG I don't apply.It's alright I figure something out,thanx anyways....

Bain... WG also has a security council... You can apply with them...

John (not John R) requested 5T aid for KTM, the president of KTM please present your case here.

Yeah but me gettin anything from players on white giant SC would not happen.They down talk me and treat me unfairly.But simply I need to find a way to get the UN involed...There stupidity has run it's course with me,and now my people and my nation are forced to carry forth,under wrongful prosucution...Gues sense I a sioux indian brave I should have grown use to it.I mean look at what my ancestors have endured in past times,friends.No worries I will just have to do it on my own,thanx for hearing me,and gods speed to you all.

is that LH?

Although I generally agree with Kevins requirements, I think a blanket refusal of aid to nuclear capable counties, under the qualification that all nuclear capable presidents have large enough economies to cope with disaster or are nutters with global ambitions or nuke fetishes is un-justified.

The East End, which just suffered an earthquake, still recieves a beginners boost, hence I suppose qualifies as a new country, but has one corp that produces strategic ammo. The country has no means of using these arms. The corp was set up as an experiment with the idea of selling the arms to federation members, or possible stocking until the country is FAR more advanced, (quite an expensive experiment ). I am aware of the responsibility of owning nukes.

So I guess no aid for me, I'll pay my own way, and pay my taxes to benefit those can't.
Hey, quite realistic this game...