U.S and Israel to attack Iran soon

there's many more places to get oil then the middle east actually we hardly get any oil from the middle east and its not like the government of Iraq sets the price its OPEC and they are actually quite reasonable with their prices now and Iraq doesn't even produce a lot of oil its all exaggerated

I don't even condone Americas meddling like I said America has messed il in the middle east with foriegn policy I'm an isolationist I'm just telling you we didn't go there for oil we went their because Saddam said he had WMDs which he didn't I and many think an invasion of Iraq was a foolish result of poor foriegn policy

and I have automatic spell check hang on

rediculous

yah your wrong

or perhaps my spell check is abit to mainstream for kasper

Its not exxageration at all, its barely even touching the tip of the iceberg. Dude the Middle east is RICH as hell in oil! Do you not think Opec can be infiltrated, if the presidency can be thena damn oil company could be. I dont know all the facts and i dont pretend too but yes Iraq and Iran both, along with Libya is well stocked in oil. If they stopped saling to the US, and kept it for there own military then the US would be in trouble. You dont think we get much of our oil from the middle east?? DUDE WIKIPEDIA IT..... SAUDI ARABIA has tons of oil. Why do you think were such good buddies with them. The US has oil, but its already being used! Too many people, cars, WEAPONS! Now were all outta food, and we go bully the little kids for theirs! WERE BULLIES, NOT THE OPPOSITE!

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Well I've got to disagree with you on that point Kasper.

During my time in the U.S. Navy we fueled up at the same piers every civilian freighter used including at times ships of the Soviet Union.

Many where the times we did not get underway simply due to budget and lack of fuel. And this was during what is know known as the "Cold War".

If you think these budget arguments in Congress are funny, think about being under the threat of not getting a paycheck, having a ship with not enough fuel to legally move (we had fuel just not enough to legally get underway) and going on a National alert where everyone had to scramble out of port to get away from whatever it was we thought the Soviets where dropping at the time.

Most of our Military don't do it for the money however, many have families to take care of and no money means a family goes without. How would that set, pulling out of port leaving your wife and kids to whatever the flock was coming without even money to buy food.

As far as the U.S. Navy goes each ship has a budget for pay, fuel, repairs, food and other supplies they cannot go over. Granted in some areas it's somewhat excessive but that is another story.

Now in times of war there are war stocks that can be drawn on, hell 1/8th of San Diego CA is (or was) covering storage bunkers for fuel oil specifically for the the ships based there.

It was however bought at some point.

Qatar the highest income per capita in the world, only because of oil

Dont act like a child and insult my intelligiance becasue i dont agree with you. Thats shit a spoiled little brat does. Act like an adult. If your from America and saying you spell it, REDICLOUS, YOU NEED TO GOOGLE IT AND SAY SORRY CUS THATS NOT HOW YOU SPELL RIDICULOUS FOR GOD SAKES. An hour ago i thought you were kinda smart now your making me doubt that.

Regardless of what you think......WE INVADE MIDDLE EAST COUNTRIES FOR OIL. IT WAS PLANNED LONG BEFORE 9/11. HELL WE INVADED IRAQ IN 1993! DESERT STORM! WHAT WAS THE REASON THEN?? Do some more research.

again I'm an isolationist I think America needs to back off and be like it was before the cold war we were a sleeping superpower that could be awakened in a moment now we are hyperpower that is growing ever more weary

again the US get about 15% of its oil from the middle east most of it from Saudi Arabia whom we never invaded we are not their for oil we are there so politicians can get votes

Yankee im not talking about soldiers, regular senators and reps, and the military in general. Im talking the greedy elite, the Illuminati, The bushes, the Cheynee's. The goverment im speaking of are the ones who make these decisions in the backgrounds. Im quite sure the military with its huge spending on oil isnt exempt from the same price as us. But if we didnt invade these countires, that cost would probally be double by now. You cant control what you dont own. Now that Iraq is our allies, and do what our goverment says, we have better oil prices. If the middle east carried out their plans, it wouldnt be 4$ a gallon. It'd be 20$ most likely. Thats if they even gave it to us in the first place, resulting in even higher prices.

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Well I wouldn't give a dead cat for what Australia thinks, I dislike Aussies about as much as Tom here dislikes the U.S., why is another story.

As for Great Britain, I doubt it and if they do well, they sure didn't mind our help during the Falklands, and the I.R.A. has sure been quite lately.

We've backed G.B. almost as much as they've backed the U.S.

Not everything is reported Alex. These stats people keep posting are can be controlled. Theres alot of stuff that goes on behind closed doors. Like i said i dont know everything or have all the facts.....but we invade these countries rich in oil while at the same time were growing in needs for oil and that demand is increasing every day. Like i said, just do more research. Its a common known accusation agaisnt our goverments that were oil hungry. Its not just about oil for theirsleves to gobble up in trucks. Its also the money. Bush family is in Big oil, its about profit, control, and power. Oil is the most precious resource. Who has it, has the rest of the worlds nuts in a vice grip. Once again, this is what the elite want. Dont beleive everything you hear, were not the good guys as bad as you may want to beleive we are. Just because your goverment is a bully, theif, and evil, doesnt mean you have to be. Doesnt mean you have to support it.

WE DIDNT EVEN INVADE IRAQ IN 1993 ARE YOU FUCKING MAD get your damn facts straight and who gives a shit on how to spell ridiculous or rediculous we can all read fine right

and I'm pretty sure Luxembourg has the highest income per capital with some Scandinavian country's next not that its relavant at all

Toms talking about the citizens. I see interviews all the time and newscast talking about our goverment worrying about the rest of the world hates us. Its even in movies. Even right here in this country, like the 99% movement, thinks america is bullies and selfish. Were percieved as bullies everywhere. Its not always talked about on the news stations, but go to internet forums and certain surveys, the stats show that most people hate America.

and ive talked to foriegners before and there perception of America and obviously not everyone thinks the same as tom here I wouldn't be surprised if tom here was the minority he seems like the "outspoken " type

The Persian Gulf War (2 August 1990 – 28 February 1991), codenamed Operation Desert Storm (17 January 1991 – 28 February 1991) commonly referred to as simply the Gulf War, was a war waged by a UN-authorized coalition force from 34 nations led by the United States, against Iraq in response to Iraq's invasion and annexation of Kuwait.


Ever seen the movie JARHEAD based on that war in 93. If we didnt invade IRAQ then why the hell did i see soldiers in the damn desert.

Aerial and ground combat was confined to Iraq, Kuwait, and areas on the border of Saudi Arabia. However, Iraq launched Scud missiles against coalition military targets in Saudi Arabia and against Israel


It was a damn battle with those guys for invading Kuwait. We backed off but it still happened.

are you serious that's the only thing people say about America everyone in America thinks the world hates us weather.for our freedoms or for being selfish but its not true people have different perceptions

1991 we liberated/invaded/freed/ whatever KUWAIT never set foot into Iraq

1993 We through some cruise missiles into Iraq for attempted assassination of former president George HW Bush 8 casualtys hardly an "invasion"

I don't base my facts off of movies sorry

and do you think the US Shouldn't have interfered even though it was a UN Sanctioned (whole world) event

was it our fault we did the UNs bidding how interfering of us

Iraq invaded Kuwait and Kuwait is an ally of the US. Iraq's invasion also was a major threat to Saudi Arabia and under no condition could the Western world allow such a concentration of the world oil reserves to be controlled by Saddam Hussein.

ohhh so now its the western world not the United States that are the bullys because we didn't let a dictator/bully take over Kuwait which was a prosperous socially progresssive country amist a region of oligarchist governments...tell me kasper were we just going to allow Iraq to do as they please take over the middle east and become a superpower...reminds me of this thing called appeasement before WW2 didn't work did it ....

so kasper who are the real bullys the western world or a 3rd world dictatorship

Why would we not want Iraq to be a super power? Cus they would be in control of the oil. And ummm, LET IRAN DO AS THEY PLEASE AND TAKE OVER THE MIDDLE EAST? Do you mean how we done as we pleased and killed many native americans hundreds of years ago? So they were old day terrorist becasue they didnt want us invading and taking away their land. Just like the Iranians these days are terrorist because they dont want to end up like the Indians. Im not saying our defending of Kuwait wasnt justified, but im saying if they had invaded a small non oil refining country i doubt we would had given a damn. Bottom line you can beleive what you want. I think you need to wake the hell up. Were not in all these middle eastern countries in the interest of killing terrorist before they attack us. Our goverment should spend those billions of dollars on bettering homeland security to avoid those kind of attacks from ever happening again. Instead they wish to spend 3 times more then what they would on homeland defense to travel to foreign countries and catch these people to make sure Americas safe. Americas not in Iraq, or Iran. Americas right here. Right between Mexico and Canada. You start by keeping America safe IN AMERICA. So what other reason would we have to invade and meddle in these countries. To set up goverments that will give us better prices on oil & not pull out of the US Dollar transactions. Alot of the middle east wants to start using Gold or a different currency to buy their oil. Most likely only share it with other middle eastern countries. To one day rival America, Uk, and the other super powers of the world. Saudi Arabia plays by these rules, which is why were not at war with them. I bet theres just as many terrorist and shit in that country as any other. Thats where Osama Bin Laden spent most of his life. They play by the rules and allow us what ever we want, so we dont have to wage war agaisnt them. But the other goverments of the middle east doesnt want America in their land, they have their own plans. So we use propaganda and say there the bad men. Thats where all the bad people are. We should wage war agaisnt them to make sure 9/11 doesnt happen again. 9/11 is used as an excuse for every damn thing. Which is even more of a reason to beleive it was an inside job by our own goverment. To justify waging wars all across the middle east, and its not over yet. So why do we wage war agaisnt them, to catch terrorist....we have no right to invade countris to catch criminals. We dont chase bank robbers over there. Is it to help the region and bring about peace and end suffering by these regimes.....so we invaded Iraq to stop Saddam hussein from killing his own people. Uh Hu....lets see.....the Opinion Research Bussiness survey reports 1,033,00 deaths as a result of the war. YOU TRY TO SAY WE WENT THERE TO STOP A MAD MAN FROM KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE, DAMNIT WE KILLED OVER A MILLION!!!! DO NOT USE TELL ME SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS A BIGGER THREAT TO THESE INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN THAN THE UNITED STATES FORCES AND OUR FELLOW ALLIES.

So if we didnt go there to protect the citizens and give them a better life, which if its your excuse...really..really..REALLY...went horribly wrong resulting in more deaths of not only our soldiers but there citizens....and if we didnt go to war with them to catch terrorist....lets see it must have been the WMD's right???? None were found. Not a single smoking gun anywhere. Thats something Bush even admitted and dumbly made a joke saying with a smirk...Nope no weapons over there....with the crowd laughing along with him.....then what the hell did we go to war with them for????

OIL!!!


For future refference...try using more puncutation in your paragraphs. I dont know where one sentence ends and another begins

"Well I wouldn't give a dead cat for what Australia thinks, I dislike Aussies about as much as Tom here dislikes the U.S., why is another story.

As for Great Britain, I doubt it and if they do well, they sure didn't mind our help during the Falklands, and the I.R.A. has sure been quite lately.

We've backed G.B. almost as much as they've backed the U.S."

I don't dislike the US... I dislike America's foreign policy. Big difference.

America's time as a superpower has resulted in many big failures, and its dedication to forcing people to swallow what America believes is revolting. Many Islamic nations do not hold the same principles as the United States, yet America sees it fit to impose democratic governments on them fruitlessly, even if their religion, culture, and population are completely against them.

The Vietnam War was a disaster, and did nothing for anyone, except kill millions of people. Iraq solved nothing... no WMDs and it only served to piss off the entire middle east. Afganistan War is only making them hate the West more.

All America's foreign policy has done in the past 60 years of its domination is cause more problems. Isolationism is the only way to go.

Australians and Europeans think that because of this self-righteous attitude, we're all gonna pay through terrorism for America's arrogance.

There's a lot of contradictions and hypocrisy in the USA's foreign policy.