2016 Obama Movie

Dear Pancake House (lol :P),

No, I'm not talking about those people, who legitimately need help or assistance. I'm talking about those who are capable of working and abuse the system.

Well I can blame Obama for tripling it! Thus, I am, because he did. Why did he triple it? That sounds like my philosophy which has been irresponsible! Oh heck, I'm $5K in debt, I think I'll go charge another $15K...what's few more 5K in debt?. I'll pay it back - TOMORROW. :S ha ha ha

I'm sorry, how anyone can justify what Obama has done, or rather has not done, as President just baffles me. How people cannot see what he is doing and will further do as being destructive to our country's well being if reelected another four years is even more baffling. All I can say is if he gets reelected and we are in worse shape in 2016 (and we will be), you people who plan on voting for him, only have yourselves to blame. I will be there in 4 years to say "I told you so."

There is no side but the right side. Right meaning CORRECT! :P

No, our illegal immigrants come and are able to get jobs, taking them away from our own citizens. They even get driver's licenses somehow! It's galling! I have no problems with people coming to America to live, but they should have to abide by the laws and regulations as I do. It isn't fair.

Dear Lorelei,
It is now January, 2009, and you just became President of the US. You're faced with a tanking economy, shriveling tax revenue, two expensive wars, aging baby boomers, and the imminent collapse of the banking and auto industries. How do we proceed, Ms President?
(And no, you can't just ransack a few C3s.)
Sincerely,
Mr Pancakes :D

PS my dad was a police chaplain for a long time, and he used to tell us about the time that he was riding along with Officer Waffle, and they ended up arresting a Mrs. Pancake. I kid you not!

Dear Jan,

I love your fire and your passion in regards to the importance of saving both your and my country. This is the people's country and we all should fight for what is best for it, so involvement in the democratic process becomes increasingly important. There are facts that exist that are true, some are not. We can never continue this fight until the truths are revealed, and the deception is understood. So I plead with you do not listen to those that seek to confuse you, take in all solutions to every problem and decode these truths and reveal this deception.

Most Sincerely,
Your fellow concerned American Mr.Drewcakes

Sorry lol, I just saw an amazing opportunities to write a letter. All my own words by the way I just hate those letters then attempt to be smart and appear sincere by are really outright arrogant and condescending. I wanted to right one YAH it was fun.

So truth is Obama has climbed up that debt, but that doesn't matter. I know it should matter but it doesn't because more then anything you have to look at what caused it what is championed to prevent it. Like I said anything can be refuted. Deficit <- Well Obama has cut spending more than any president, and he is trying real hard to raise revenues.
Immigration <- Is the issue immigration or illegal workers? Because Illegal Immigration is actually lower. But I would contribute this more heavily to lack of employment rather than immigration. If we can have aliens do all the jobs that would pay natural born citizens minimum wage but then also allow unemployment to continue to fall that would mean a larger % of natural born people will have more skilled jobs. But if you want to take Romney's argument about falling average pay the only correcting tool we have is government intervention or big government.

I can write 20 page essays on any republican issue, but I'm not gonna. I'm only gonna ask you all i Obama got the ability to see some support in congress would we be better off than now because he didn't? If Obama gets re-elected do you want him to do a good job or a bad one?

I want this country to do better if Romney wins I want him to do a great job despite the fact I know he can't. So I implore you to really just look at this stuff and use your judgement despite what anybody tells you. Because the level of ignorance on every side is so incredibly alarming it is destructive. I mean when mentally retarded people like Nancy Pelosi and George Bush become incredibly important people in millions of lives then it is such an incredible importance to have valid facts to correct the many issues that follow.

Drewcakes (I looooooooove this name!!! :P)

I just want a tough as nails president, and I truly think Romney will fit this. Obama is too soft, in my opinion. I'm not saying all he has done is bad, but I do disagree on many of his philosophies. Whoever wins, I will support as my president. I really think we need a smart, crafty businessman approach to the White House. You can't fault Romney for being a successful business man. He does has ambition, drive in perhaps a different way. As far as Republican presidents, he is actually more liberal in his approach than most. Therefore, he wasn't really my choice for the Republican candidate. But I definitely think he will serve our country better than Obama. I don't trust Obama for the mere fact that he just blantantly lies on television in front of the American people. I think this is rather galling. I'd respect him more if he were just honest. Furthermore, as Romney brought up in the presidental debate last night, Obama more or less put down the Americans in way of apology to those other countries. As you know, you NEVER say you are sorry, this is the biggest sign of weakness ever! We shouldn't apologize for anything. I truly believe that the USA has helped more (even more than we should) people in other countries. Even then, they still hate us.

As to Obama doing a good job, I really don't think he will pull it off, Drew. He hasn't over the course of the last 4 years and his ObamaCare is going to be a joke. Last night, his only method was to "attack" Romney, which is a sign of weakness to me and one of great intimidation and certainly desperation. Just saying.

Hiya Ihop *winks. If I were president, oh there would be changes alright. I would rule this country as I do my sim ones! Shoes would be at the forefront and I would be feared!!! :P I don't even give my lil sim peeps much in the way of welfare programs. ha ha ha ha

Muahs to all. I love all your political passions, and I really do read and take in all your views.

I saw the recent debate last week and I believe Romney is kind of an idiot... But then again I have no idea how Obama managed the country in the last few years.

Lorelei both our governments have the ability to immediately deport all illegal immigrants from our countries, in a week or two, why hasn't our governments done so? Because unfortunately our economies, unbelievably would slope if we lose all those millions of workers.
I believe both your candidates want a good solution to the illegal immigrants, we have this problem to I understand you perfectly. What we hate more in Germany are Turks that come here and do nothing, and that above this refuse to speak, learn German. I see this problem less in America. There they want to become English speakers and assimilated. I have thought of it as well, but simply deporting millions of people would look bad internationally and would be a blow to our economy.

I don't think apologizing is a weak action or shows weakness at all, he just apologised (why did he and for what?) he didn't bow down to any one or surrendered anything. Gives a better image to the unfortunately tattered picture of America. Well that is my opinion, I don't know the feeling.
Well yeah I can thank America for saving us from the Red Army and the Eastern Threat. The country that seems to hate you the most is France and you Americans saved France. The World works in mischievous ways....

He can't be too much of an idiot. He is after all a self-made wealthy man. So if he in fact is, may I please forever be an idiot!!!! :P

taxing the wealthy would no doubt be the morally best way of going about things in a perfect world where people are motivated by doing whats right. unfortunately we don't live in that world. people are motivated by things like Greed, selfishness and Profit. and do to that unfortunate fact we must act accordingly. in taxing the wealthy we stunt economic growth as it is a fact that high corporate taxation and taxing of the wealthy will only slow down investment considerably. which of course will lead to fewer jobs and so on. its a fact even in this game, the more your country is CEO friendly the better the profits are for everyone. and whats the first question that a CEO always asks? what is your Tax set at? why? because the less they pay in taxes, the more they have in reinvestment ability and profit margin's. that is what motivates the wealthy in Game and in real life. Sad but true.

also Pancake, Obama was raised by hard core socialists, possibly even communists. most of his, advisers in the beginning of his term were of that ideology until thanks to Glen Beck exposing him, he then separated himself from them. not because he didn't support them or believe in their way of doing things, but he knew it would lead to his downfall, so he did the same thing that he did about his religious beliefs. when he stood in front of the christian crowd, he professed to be a christian. then when he got in front of the Muslims, he professed he was a Muslim. the man is a known Liar! say what you will about Romney! but he had one thing correct. with Romney its speculation, with Obama we have the record of his last four years in office. he is a proven failier.

Very well put, Shave.

You want to know what amused me greatly last night. I tend to watch Fox News. While it leans more to the Right, they do report the opposite side. What I flipped over to on the other channels was some of the most far left reporting I have ever listened to. They did not report comments from both sides as Fox News did. I just shook my head and thought, what has happened to fair, unbiased journalism and news reporting????lol I was a newspaper reporter for 7 years and while certain media put certain spins on things, I was always taught to always put both sides in a news report. Now I know why most of the American people are so easily fooled by Obama, if you believe in what you hear from your biased news reports. The media is very powerful and most decidedly sways public opinion.

that's what you get with corporate owned news, including FOX unfortunately. but yes that does bring up an interesting issue indeed. that is precisely the point. the powers that be know that the american public will do what they are told to do. if its on tv it must be the truth. that is the consensus among the sheeple. a sad and most unfortunate fact. really makes one wonder just who is really pulling the strings. and where we are headed, doesn't it?

lol the news is a joke

lorelei they had a program in which the immigrants offered to give up their jobs to american citizens not one was taken they provide a critical role in our economy of today

if you want to pick starwberrys for 5 dollars a day i doubt you would see to much opposition

shave taxing the rich doesnt stunt growth millionaires are made in poor and thriving economys they dont need more money to invest trickle down economics is a joke look at history economic growth has always been spurred by the middle class working its way up into new industrys please give me a break

and shave i dont pick by president based upon supposed ideology or religion i do based on policy (which honestly for both presidents is almost exactly the same) republicrats or depublicans take your pick

self made man wealthy typikal cliche bullshit again i decide based on policy not on who got lucky enough to invest in staples

read the book outlier it presents some convincing arguments indicating there is no such thing as a self made man and believing there is is foolish and a common way of looking at
things

"i want a tough as nails president" please spare me the romanticism romeny is a bitch he just walks like all republicans like he is some gunslinger ready for battle when really they are just sending off other soldiers to fight yah they are tough republicans and democrats

all politicians lie get over it

and stop saying america is a welfare state because we are not...at all you could get rid of welfare foriegn aid and other MINOR programs and still have a pretty good looking deficit

"U kids are crazy. Every one of your points can be refuted. The democratic way is innrfecient but the republican way is pure evil and retarded"

Word

and alex in america lorelei would probably be considered a right wing moderate isnt that kinda funny in europe she would probably be ostracized as a whacko

obamacare a joke??? lol....want to know a joke...okok industrialized countrys with state sponsored healthcare far far superior to americas is actually CHEAPER wow now thats funny


"Wilhelm, no offense, but you do know why there are so many US troops in Germany, right? Europe has always handled its own affairs just splendidly."

LOL PLEASE JOIN US in the 21st century

and wilhem if your politicians asked us to leave im sure all the yuppie politically correct folk would jump right on the idea to withdraw american troops using words like imperialistic and cultrual invasion

AMERICAA!!!!

Shave, we are doomed! But then you have to wonder if it all plays into end-times Bible prophecy. All I can say is like the nuns used to say to me in school..... "keep your bags packed, you are just passing through". :P

thats a sad thing to say i think

No, it means to always be in a state of Grace, as life is really short...no matter the circumstance.

Well I can't vote *sniff* (I'm not an American citizen).

Hopefully my "Leftist" argument helped though... More Equality people, I am not a communist and who ever said that Obama was raised by Communist is just plain stupid, no more word needed...

Unfortunately it is short Lorelei, and with the additional unfortunate ability of taking you when it pleases and without warning (Death)...

America should pave its way towards a Welfare State, you can do it, you just need to think about the people in need. If you give those people health, they work more! More work equals more Money! More money equals no more recession! lol scrap that

The State should care for its people, its ridiculous for people to care for its government, people can easily topple a government whenever they feel like doing so. So why not invest money into health care? Let Taxes pay your health care, instead of wasting 1T 700B Dollars in a Middle Eastern War...

Wow...way too much to respond to! You all have been busy!

Obama hasn't lied any more than the walking-talking-etch-a-sketch. You want a candidate that doesn't lie? Look at Jill Stein. If I weren't so alarmed by Romney's social conservatism (at least, when he's talking to his base - who knows what he actually thinks) I would definitely vote green. Stein has no reason to lie, since she isn't going to win regardless. She's the most straightforward candidate I've ever heard talk. None of Obama's fancy lingo, none of Romney's vagueness. She charged right into the issues and explained precisely how she would address them. None of Obama's "we'll just keep doing the same thing" and none of Romney's magic, sans details budget balancing trick (fact-checkers keep saying "he can't cut taxes, increase defense spending, maintain entitlements, and decrease the deficit all at the same time").

I think it's funny that a Fox viewer is commenting on bias in the media. I consider all mainstream TV news to be garbage, and it's impossible to avoid all bias in news reporting. I listen to NPR. They don't have pundits on one side or the other; I have only occasionally heard stories with unequal attention to both sides - and they usually follow up with further details to even it up. They don't have the sort of agendas that Fox and MSNBC have. Fox is by far the worst, with spin-masters (and part-time raving lunatics) like Hannity and especially Beck. I swear, Beck is literally crazy. By contrast, I disagree with most of what O'Reilly says, but I think he's a sane and funny individual. Beck's marbles are gone.

Wilhelm, the counter-argument to your welfare state is that it isn't the government's job to take care of everyone; it's the people's job to take care of each other. Americans are the most generous people on the face of the planet. $135 billion to charities in 2008, for example. These are mostly groups doing work on the ground, with tiny overheads, so the money is used much more efficiently than in enormous federal programs. There's a lot less room for people to take advantage of the system, and it's usually much more responsive to shifts in need. Plus, if taxes were lowered, we'd almost certainly give even more.

Now, the flipside is that this still isn't enough money to support the people who genuinely need it. And during tough economic times (when aid is needed most) charitable giving tends to dry up. That's the opposite of the government approach.

As is the case with the entire budget debate, THERE IS NO SINGLE CORRECT ANSWER! If we cut government spending, there is no doubt that millions of jobs would disappear. Even if we cut taxes for the rich (who keep getting richer) how quickly will they create new jobs? Will they be the jobs that we need? Will they pay well enough? Nobody can answer these questions. But it's also foolish and unsustainable to base an economy on borrowed government money. It's a trade-off that has economists -the experts- on both sides. How politicians can claim they have found the silver bullet is beyond me. Talk about lying to the public.

I'm getting that recurrent impression that I'm standing right in the middle of a nation-wide catfight between vocal extremities. It's funny because us moderates always win in the end. We're the ones they end up pandering to

well Lorelei, as a minister I gotta say, personally i believe it does play into the end time scenario. not suggesting the world will topple tomorrow necessarily, but being a student of the bible and particularly knowledgeable of Bible Prophecy Id say there are a whole lot of coincidental similarities to say the least.

Okay, now here is where I draw the line. shave, you have just irrevocably undermined this entire discussion, in my eyes. I can no longer take you seriously at all.

My father is a minister, I grew up steeped in religion, I know the Bible backwards and forwards, having studied it in detail from both a theological and literary perspective. Heck, my best friend from college is in seminary right now. I've been brewed in it for decades. And I will tell you unequivocally that Biblical Prophecies, unlike Jesus' overall message, are so much manure, utterly undeserving of our attention.

People have been saying exactly what you just said for millennia, starting with the big man himself. Read Matthew 16:28, where Jesus states explicitly that the second coming will happen within his disciples' lifetimes, or Matthew 24:29-35, in which he does so a second time. We're still here. Either he was wrong, or you missed the boat with me.

I enjoy disagreeing about nuanced political or social issues, discussing them, sharing ideas, including religious/spiritual ones. But I absolutely insist that those discussions be grounded in logic and facts, not the ravings of men many hundreds of years dead. I'm done with this conversation if anyone mentions Biblical Prophecy and how it clearly is close at hand once more.

Let's please go back to how terrible Obama is.

Why are we drifting towards Religion here?

Anyway I'm not on one side, as I am not even a citizen and your policies don't affect me.
I just express my opinion "that you need more welfare and welfare is best".

Foreigners always win when joining in Arguments about American politics "LoL"

Dear Ihop,

Wow. Your post was not received well by me at all. Why are you coming across so "attacking"? There is no need for that.

I ask you respectfully to please not discourage what anyone posts here, especially since I am the one who created the thread, and I don't hold people to ALWAYS stay on topic. If I wish to turn the discussion to end of times Bible prophecy, I shall, and it was only mentioned in fleeting. If Shave wishes to respond to my post, that is his given right. Why do you attack Shave when it was I that turned the discussion? He merely agreed with what I said.

Are you going to stop taking me serious, because you disagree with something I post??? I'm sorry, but I see nothing offensive in what Shave posted in response to my post that would bring about such a response from you.

Wow is all I can say. *shakes head

This totally undermines what I've been trying to accomplish here and that is getting people involved in posting and having respectful, "friendly" discussions.

IamIhop11

I will just say this. you my friend are welcome to your beliefs any way you see fit. as I am mine. frankly sir, I've seen many that are just as hard toward religion change their minds at an instant, say around time to die....and they were alot harder about it then you. lol how ever that being said, it was not my intention to go there, but to simply agree with ms. Lorelei's statement. I have never gotten on here and attempted to preach at anyone. and have no real intent to do so. how ever i will say this. for something you don't believe in you sure do show forth a whole lot of hostility. but all of that aside, I am willing to get on here and have any discussion of politics, religion, or whatever, until it resorts to name calling and pointless bashing of people. just because they don't believe what you believe. that is just being narrow minded, and i don't have time for that. I may not agree with you sir about everything you say, But I have always treated you with dignity and respect. I only ask for the same in return. and thank you Lorelei for your kind words. they are appreciated.

Oh man guys way too much to keep up with with one. So I'll just use some closing words here.

Romney is NOT a stupid guy, he does in fact sound stupid as all hell but there is a very good reason, and that reason is why no one should vote for him. He is a president who wants to influence policy to improve his own wealth and the wealth of his friends. He has zero loyalty to the people of the United States. Just imagine how difficult it is to spin the facts in a way that makes him a good candidate. The smartest person in the world would sound dumb trying to make this work, Paul Ryan is a smart guy but he looked incredibly dumb as well. We can't give a country over to someone that has no consideration for the country only his wallet.

As for being tough as nails showing respect for other leaders is not weakness. I won't go as saying he apologized but what is wrong with apologizing America has done things wrong, America should apologize that doesn't mean we are going to lay down our weapons and tell them to attack us, NO it means hey we are willing to negotiate terms so we can all be friends and stop wasting our entire GDP on military.

Anyways...... Obama bites. :P

Dun make me slap you, Drewcakes!!!! lol :P