2016 Obama Movie

Well according to the Mayan calendar, we all won't be around after December of this year, so dun anyone fret. ha ha ha

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OBAMA

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Oh Im sorry I just could not stop LOL when you all said obama, I thought you where all talking about that other guy, you know that guy that used to sleep in a mansion before we shot him with our seal teams.

Oh and remember

If you really hate something, use racial tolerance as an excuse to dostroy it. Liberals are masters at this.

What awaits us all in heaven is eternal bliss, divine rest, and, $10,000 in cash. And remember: we all die in 2012.

Never take a joke too far, no matter how funny it is. Hitler learned this lesson the hard way.

When somebody does you wrong, you must be prepared to retaliate a thousand-fold. And, pubic hair isn't something you buy, you actually grow it on your body when you get older.

No matter how great you try to make your life, people will find a way to fuck it up for you. And remember: we all die in 2012.

No matter who it hurts, do whatever you can to havea super fun time all the time. Because we all die in 2012.

Lesson Twelve, the final and most important lesson: Do not trust the Jews! Oh, and kids with red hair and freckles have no souls. And we all die in 2012.

The Cult of Eric Cartman

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Lorelei, I thought what you said was tongue-in-cheek (kinda like the mayan calendar thing), but there was no doubt that shave was completely serious. It isn't that I disagree - I've disagreed with a lot of other points - it was that there isn't any grounding in facts or logic.

I didn't mean to come across that aggressive, and I should have constrained my comment to attacking the idea (which I think I mostly did, but not enough). The fact is that it really alarms me that otherwise rational people make important decisions (decisions that impact me) based partially on something that just has no support in the logical world. What, after all, is the point of having rational discussions without the rational part?

Do you take Phoenix King's posts above seriously?

shave - I apologize if you felt personally attacked, and reading my post I can certainly see why you would. That wasn't my intention. I got carried away because I was so surprised and alarmed, and I didn't stick to the argument. I'm not hard toward religion, just specific timing of Biblical doomsday prophecy, a very tiny portion of the overall message. You just happened to express one of the very few sentiments that really galls me :-/

Ihop,

I will assauge your fears. I do find end times prophecy very interesting, but I also go back to where it is stated in the Bible that no man will know the day nor the hour. I, to a certain extent, believe that Obama and his time in office could tie into the end of the world as we know it, now is this the end of the "world", noooooooooo lol. Obama's philosophy leads to a communist way of governing, where the government controls everything. I do not want the government dictating what quality of healthcare I receive, what kind of job I can have, where I can live, or at what level of income I will ever achieve. Hell, I'm even pissed off at the seat belt law! lol I may be a little extreme here, but I'm just trying to make a point.

I think we are at a turning point in history in the United States. I think this election is very crucial and will determine the path in which the US will take. I do not like the path that I see Obama taking us down. That is my opinion.

All I know is that people keep saying Obama/Democrats are for the poor man and the middle class. Well he hasn't helped me over the last four years. Gas prices have climbed, healthcare costs have soared, food prices have gone up, yet my salary sure hasn't. I am considered in the mid to upper middle class, and I assure you, it's tough to keep your head above water month to month. I have never felt the financial rope around my neck as much as I have the past four years while Obama was in office.

I say everyone in the US needs to vote for who they think will do the best job. I am hoping that we have a change in leadership. Obama didn't get the job done in his first 4 years. I'm still trying to figure out what exactly he did. lol

Oh I wonder if Obama will respond to Donald Trump's challenge? lol

I except your apology. as I said, I had no intention on going into a spiritual debate. my reasoning for not doing so is that there are too many differences in the way people interpret the Bible. I do understand your view of how you could find no Logic to what was being suggested, as there are many who perceive that to be the case. frankly we could sit here and have a debate of what is fact and what is fiction all day long. the reality is, we simply see these things differently because we interpret it from different perspectives. Faith in all its variety comes down to one simple truth. its something you have, or something you don't. its a choice every person has to make for themselves. and I have found that those who don't will not be persuaded by anything I could say. I leave that to God. however I Know the things I have personally experienced. thus turning my view would also prove to be an impossible task. so we can just agree to disagree agreeably as they say. now back to politics. lol

Fair enough, for both of you :D

I'm still more inclined to blame the recession for your (and pretty much everyone's) increased economic pressure, rather than Obama. My perspective is unusual because I'm feeling a lot better off now than I did four years ago, although all Obama did for me was keep things as they were (student loan interests, etc). I do agree that he hasn't improved things quickly enough, and that is definitely partly his fault. But it's also important to keep in mind that he was up against perhaps the most ideological, partisan, and uncompromising congress in our country's history. Did he fail from a leadership perspective? I think undoubtedly. Did he do so on his own? Not by a long-shot, thanks largely to the tea-party.

Hmm, I'm beginning to think about this race as a choice between big government or big business. I'm not sure who I trust less: the bureaucratic, wasteful behemoth that is responsive to the entire public through voting or the self-interested behemoths that are responsive to the public through sales, but perhaps more responsive to their wealthy share-holders.

What do you guys think about the idea that we're in the middle of a class war? If so, who do you want to win?

Hoppy,

Thank you. I think you are a very bright young man and love to read your views and opinions...when you are NICE! ha ha ha ha I really do read all your views, and am thankful for all of them.

Jan

Quote "What do you guys think about the idea that we're in the middle of a class war? If so, who do you want to win? "

Yes i do think we migth be entering a new time of class war . I think most of this is being fougth by who controls the politicians , Public opinion or influential wealthy people , the media these days can sway the public vote and they are controled by the wealthy , who in turn can use that to control the politician . The leveson inquiry proofed that , I watched most of it and it was simply shoocking . The Media is so so powerfull , its scary .

I think the working and middle class will win the war . But i also believe it is a cycle and once the dust settle the most driven and greedy people will always make there way back to the top , then abuse there position for themselves . Round and Round .

yea MantoArms I think that is a good point and really kinda straight to the heart of the matter.
it seems to me, and I may be wrong here, but was there not just a new law passed not long ago that gave the corporate's more power and freedom to financially support their candidate? I could be wrong about that, but i do remember hearing something about it. well anyway, that would certainly be more grounds for what you and Hop have suggested.

You know what I find interesting......... is how a newspaper or network can endorse a candidate. How is that unbiased???? ha ha ha You are definitely correct about the power of the pen/media. It is quite frightening how much it impacts our thoughts and drives people, making us puppets, almost.

I enjoy observing your Arguments people, keep it up (Y).

Yeh, shave! That's Citizens United v FEC in 2010, in which the courts basically decided that corporations are people, and so they have the right to free speech, etc. Since the courts have also said that money = speech, corporations are now virtually unlimited in their ability to donate to (or "buy," in my opinion) candidates. It opened the floodgates to superPACs, as well, so they can even donate that unlimited amount of money secretly, so the public can't even see who owns their candidates.

It should scare the living daylights out of any American who wants our elections to mean anything.

As should the fact that media outlets endorse candidates, Lorelei! Heh, I'd never really thought about it before, because I don't pay much attention to newspapers or networks that do regularly endorse candidates, but it is really odd. How CAN they claim a lack of bias and then turn around and favor one side? Do they really say they're unbiased, I wonder? But if not, how can that be news?

Haha, a new feature for SC?: Media corporations. You can take over an enemy country just by broadcasting and rotting it from within :D

Shoot, I forgot to mention a bumper sticker that I saw related to Citizens United: "I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one."
I almost had to pull over; I couldn't see through the tears of laughter.

Hoppy,

I remember when I was a newspaper reporter. I covered the election in the year that Ross Perot ran for President. I remember sitting at a news meeting discussing election coverage that year. I was originally assigned republican headquarters. Everyone in the room was sympathetic towards me for having to cover the Republican campaign that night, because the paper where I worked always endorsed the Democratic party. I was thrilled, because I am Republican. ha ha ha Oh there is definite bias in new coverage. You can write a story, but depending on how you slant it depends on how people will receive it.

oh Heak yea that is scary!, that basically means we have no say in who gets elected. and as you pointed out, how do you fight an unidentifiable enemy? its our freedom of press laws that basically protected our democracy, and if those are infiltrated I fear our democracy is no longer a real one.

i think super pacs corporate and even individual funding of canidates is a threat to democracy and i dont see how you can argue otherwise unless your one of the elites

"Dear Ihop,

Wow. Your post was not received well by me at all. Why are you coming across so "attacking"? There is no need for that.

I ask you respectfully to please not discourage what anyone posts here, especially since I am the one who created the thread, and I don't hold people to ALWAYS stay on topic. If I wish to turn the discussion to end of times Bible prophecy, I shall, and it was only mentioned in fleeting. If Shave wishes to respond to my post, that is his given right. Why do you attack Shave when it was I that turned the discussion? He merely agreed with what I said.

Are you going to stop taking me serious, because you disagree with something I post??? I'm sorry, but I see nothing offensive in what Shave posted in response to my post that would bring about such a response from you.

Wow is all I can say. *shakes head

This totally undermines what I've been trying to accomplish here and that is getting people involved in posting and having respectful, "friendly" discussions"

grow up and put on your big boy pants im sick of people defending themselves by complaining about being attacked

"Very well put, Shave.

You want to know what amused me greatly last night. I tend to watch Fox News. While it leans more to the Right, they do report the opposite side. What I flipped over to on the other channels was some of the most far left reporting I have ever listened to. They did not report comments from both sides as Fox News did. I just shook my head and thought, what has happened to fair, unbiased journalism and news reporting????lol I was a newspaper reporter for 7 years and while certain media put certain spins on things, I was always taught to always put both sides in a news report. Now I know why most of the American people are so easily fooled by Obama, if you believe in what you hear from your biased news reports. The media is very powerful and most decidedly sways public opinion."


fox news is just as biased your just saying its not because your biased

i love flipping back and forth from CNN to FOX its so funny better then comedy central

i get my news from facebook

Dimitri, dun make me slap you, cuz I will. You've just been added to MY list!!!!! ha ha ha