2016 Obama Movie

I watched this movie last night. I found it very interesting. So according to this, we should be concerned because Obama will "weakening" our country (military wise) and economically which could be the ground work for the fall of our great nation. Below is the link to the movie.

Has anyone seen this? What are your thoughts?

http://2016themovie.com/

I saw it and it was the stupidest most ridiculous piece of propoganda ever summoned from the bowels of the right wing......and trust me I'm completely unbiased I hope they both lose and we end up in a military dictatorship.....basically it went from hes a communist Kenyan....to hes "anti colonial" like that's a bad thing.....to some distorted facts about the budget deficit...to hes going to weaken our military which is by far the best in the world and decreasing it may help the budget...see above...stupid stupid stupid and mitt bitches about the campaign of hate give me a break you junior high Esq doichebag

I would go for Obama, free health care for you Americans...

This is why America should put me in charge. Then I'll form the North American Empire, with me on the throne.

The propaganda didn't even seem well thought out. It was a movie about saying that Obama wants to be like his father but everyone who knew Obama's father had loads of respect for him. Very twisted.

Plus the film is very heavily discredited by the Indian guy having such a solid reference of himself being so incredibly republican. So he can possibly come across as an objective observer, especially when he turned a large section of the movie into a movie about him. But I have to be honest I only watched a bit more than half of it, not because it was bad but because it was so incredibly boring and redundant.

There are two anti Obama movies being circulated in addition to the one you are speaking about Lorelei.

The only facts in any of them are the most obvious facts. The entire storyline and message is fabrication.

Why? It certainly plays to the extreme right wing. Productions cost money. Follow the money. It will probably become known over time.

Free speech? Suppose it is. Doesn't mean that I or the whole country if it chooses, can't despise those who had a hand in making the film.

Well, I decided as much and myself being a former news journalist and working with media know how this is played out. The film did not sway my thoughts, although I have already made up my mind about who I am voting for.

I just thought it interesting.

aint no way im giving that man another 4 years to throw our country into the toilet. obamacare is the worst piece of legislature that has ever been created, and frankly ought to be considered illegal the way it was passed into law. while I don't agree with trying to be the worlds police force, decreasing the military at this point would be utter stupidity. there are plenty of other ways of balancing the deficit. for one, start using american oil. let the drillers actually drill. we have tons of untapped oil reserves and other sources of energy that there is no need for foreign dependency. but hey don't wanna offend any tree huggers. stinking lobbyists have got things so tied up in pointless red tape that we cant use what we have, so we have to go over seas and rob, kill, and pillage everyone else for theirs. mind you, at a cost of trillians of dollars to john and jane doe tax payer. lovely! the situation makes me sick. then how do they wanna solve our Debt crisis? Lets just keep Printing trillions of dollars worth of worthless bills and circulate them. meanwhile inflation sets in as foreign confidence goes down. boy that makes sense! lol but hey no worries, cause if you come lookin for the money we owe you we will just blow you up, or star WWIII.

lol shave you have obviously succumbed to right wing propoganda i feel for you

obamacare being the worst piece of legislature ever please give me a break many developed countrys use state sponsored healthcare with a country of US size and diversity i wish it would be more state level and instead advocated by the federal government but wah wah

less military? utter stupidity? quite the contrary we used to spend less per capita on military when we WERENT the sole superpower why do we spend more now I DONT KNOW because people are sheep? pussys? politicians have a secret ajenda to help fund the military industrial complex? a nice way to get reelected by appealing to voters like you saying how patriotic and supportive they are of the armed forces? i dont see any good reasons want to know what i say fuck the armed forces there you go lynch me

foriegn dependency give me a break what does that even mean?

how does drilling reduce are deficit is our drilling state sponsored and do the profits go to the government? (communist)

lobbyists dont even get me started

and your percieved idea of what they are doing to solve the debt crisis is unfounded and ridiculous

monto, I can see we are going to have some fun! lol

obama care is a whole lot more then just a healthcare bill. as I said, regarding the military. cutting the military AT THIS POINT is utter stupidity. why? because we have already made enemies of the whole stinking Planet. its kinda like to guys in a stand off with their guns pointed at each other. one guy drops his gun and the other pulls the trigger.
Foreign Dependency, is our need to go other places for oil, natural gas, and such. we have enough right here.
How does this help our Deficit? because we spend less buying Foreign oil and other natural resources. not to mention less on military up keep and expenditures that it takes to maintain our hold on it.
and as far as what they are doing to solve the debt issue. my friend that is exactly what they have done. unfounded,? are you kidding me. Bernanke at the Behest of obama has printed trillions of worthless bills and thrown them into the system, and just recently ok'd for anywhere between 40, and 80 billion a month to be printed and put into the system.
do your home work friend. lol

Seems to me both sides are just trying to scratch the backs of the lobbies that scratched theirs, whether it's Obama pandering to gluttonously powerful unions or Bush sucking up to defense contractors. The best interest of the American people is lower on their priorities list than it has ever been, thanks in part to Citizens United. You wanna talk about something that shouldn't have happened! It makes Obamacare look like a innocent child by comparison.

Shave, I also feel bad for you. You should check up on some facts:
-Drilling for oil in environmentally important areas will not help our national debt or deficits much. The biggest items that should be cut are social security, medicare/caid, and defense spending. Honestly, we spend about the same on defense as the next 14 highest-spending countries PUT TOGETHER. That is just stupid, since we have to borrow the money from the very countries that we fear.
-I do agree that getting off foreign oil is crucial. But switching to domestic oil is like going from meth to crack: an improvement, but not much of one. If we spent as much investing in renewable energy (solar, wind, toss in some hydro) as we do babying our oil/gas/coal companies, we'd be off fossil fuels in no time. The change is inevitable. The only question is whether or not we wait until we're completely bankrupt before we get moving.
-I find it hilarious that anyone would complain about environmental lobbyists in the same paragraph that oil companies are mentioned. It's not even a contest. I will also point out that we 100% did NOT have to wage war in the middle east. OPEC relies on us as much as we do them, for now. We didn't secure oil for ourselves - we just ensured another generation of anti-American extremists.

Anyway, I'm sorry to hear you won't be voting, since you won't vote for someone who isn't serious about decreasing our deficits. At least Obama is honest about the fact that rebuilding our economy is expensive. Romney's magic plan simply doesn't add up.

as far as the oil thing goes the biggest way we save, is that in producing our own oil, we are safer from things like price manipulation, and price shocks which has costed our economy trillions over the last decade. heak every time there is any kind of scare over in the middle east, we suffer here at the pump.no its not so much in the drilling its self, but in everything surrounding it. and yes, I do tend to lean more to the right wing then the left. however I will say this, I blame George Bush for just as much of where we are at as I do obama.

I agree that seeking other forms of alternative energy is a way we are going to have to go, but right now, the kind of money and time it would take to develop them is too much, not to mention wrestling the corporate giants that are making the money off of oil.

as far as securing oil goes, every move we make over there has been about that in one form or another, the entire basis for the american dollar being the worlds sole reserve currency is based on that fact. securing control over the resources and making this country filthy rich.

and yes that is about the only thing obama has been truthful about. not that Romney is much better.

but hey that is just my take on things, no one is forced to agree with me. we do still live in a somewhat free capitalist country where we have the right to speak our minds! thank God for that!
its all good. certainly wasn't trying to offend anyone.

Thank the founding fathers - and lots of folks since then who have made sure our free speech is mostly intact ;-) I don't think you offended anyone - this sort of thread is a place to exchange viewpoints, if you ask me.

Sounds like we're not so vastly different in opinions, after all. I lean left, but mostly on social issues, rather than economic. Although, I'm one of those treehuggers, too.

The argument that wrestling the corporate giants is a reason not to push for greener tech makes me sad - but I do realize how huge a task it will be. I don't have ready numbers to point to, but I'm not convinced that investing in solar/wind would take that much extra money - I think of it as just transferring from the huge amounts we invest in fossil fuels. Like our wars, for example, which I agree were largely prompted by our concerns over the middle east (ie oil). They didn't achieve much, though, and imagine what those trillions of dollars could have done to our domestic renewable energy production - or our infrastructure and schools - or simply not in our list of IOUs. In ten years, won't we look back and say the same thing about our current spending? "If only we'd started in 2012!"

Sometimes I think our Democracy would function better if people had slightly longer terms but couldn't get reelected. Then perhaps they might take a longer view of what's good for this country...democracy and capitalism both tend to be rather short-sighted.

I tried to like Romney. But here's my rationale: even economists can't agree whether gov't spending or private spending is more reliably better for the economy, especially when it's already weak. How am I supposed to know for sure, when the experts don't? I find it bizarre that so many people act so certain. So it comes down to other issues, for me, and I simply can't vote for ol' Mitt because of his social and environmental stances (at least to the extent that I can pin down what he actually thinks). In that arena, Obama is head-and-shoulders above, at least in rhetoric.

What d'you think?

drilling here wont help our debt nor will it lower prices...our prices will be the same as the rest of the worlds (bah foriegn dependency) OPEC has no more clout...although i do agree on letting drillers continue to drill to help balance off the incresed demands of china and india

and having a huge ass inefficient behemoth of a military wont keep people safe not that theres that much danger anyways

Ahem.... We sell our oil resources to Europe because they can't get along with the Middle East and it is worse than the US's relationship with them.

Soooo.... We will always be dependent. Lets say contribution margins to the US are 50% but to Europe is 65%. US COMPANIES WILL sell to Europe regardless of the price to the US consumer.

This is about the movie though... so... Um military spending really makes no sense but I'm not gonna debate that here as it has no relevance.

I support whom ever gets the American Army out of Germany, with this maybe you can get a little more money into caring for your people and less spending on eavesdropping in foreign business.... I am pretty sure we can handle European Affairs as we did when America was barely setting foot in the world stage.

Oh and if you keep up like this, Germany will end up getting all your manufacturing jobs lol (Schadenfreude), which is nice.

Actually withdrawing your troops from the 130 countries you are currently "monitoring", would help your economy a lot I reckon.

Wilhelm, no offense, but you do know why there are so many US troops in Germany, right? Europe has always handled its own affairs just splendidly. Anyway, pulling troops out of Germany is so far off the radar for American voters that it never even gets a footnote right now.

That said, I agree wholeheartedly that we should get our boots off the ground wherever we possibly can. Save money and avoid making even more enemies, with one magical recipe. Militaries have a consistent and thousands-of-years-old record of creating more problems than they solve when there isn't a specific military threat.

my military view at this point was only based on the kind of problems our attempting to police { so called } the world has already caused us. the fact of the matter is, china and Russia are real threats to us, and make no mistake, if the roles were reversed and the opportunity ever comes open to them, I promise you they will make every attempt to do exactly as the United States has done. lets face it guys, Imperialism is not a new Idea. those in power always try to advance their power and maintain it. However I do agree whole heartily, I think we could do just as well, and it would certainly be more economically efficient for us if we pulled back to our own boarders. also iamihop11, I liked your idea about increasing the term limit and doing away with a possibility of reelection. that has real Merit if you ask me.

Well, I will say this, and this isn't propaganda. This is fact. Obama in his 4 years in office has tripled the deficit, which is 3 times that of all American presidents put together since George Washington. President Obama has greatly weakened our country. We are no longer the super power, which stands to reason why so many other countries and their citizens want him back in office. He is the beginning of the great fall of the USA. I'm sorry, no matter how expensive it is, you don't ever cut back on your military. When you pull troops out of certain places, leaving a skeleton crew there, you are endangering the lives of those men and women that you leave there. Stupid! You pull them all or leave them all there!

You ask your military men here in the US what they think of Obama....... they respect the man as they have to as the president, but they do not regard him as a good president or leader. Neither do I. The man blantantly lied about Libya on television. Inexcusable.

Furthermore, I do not want to answer to the goverment for my health care or anything. I do not want to live off the government or have them dictate what care I get or don't get. No thank you. Freeloaders need to work and stop abusing the system. Illegal immigrants need to be sent back to their countries or become legal. I'm sick of my tax dollars providing welfare and health care to people who drive better vehicles than I do, if you get my drift. Yet, those who have paid taxes like me all my life, you think I'll get those programs if I fall down on my luck? No. The problem with people is they all want something for free. We need to stop being lazy, work to survive, and as a community help each other out. Leave the government out of it, which is the Republican way. The way it should be.

AAhh! Lorelei Has Indeed Spoken! hows that for right wing Propaganda monto? lol just messing with ya man. your take on obama Lorelei is absolutely correct. and yes this country is becoming more and more a welfare state. here is my problem with the state run healthcare system that is being proposed here. in a perfect world universal healthcare for all would be great if it could be something that was of the highest quality. however, that is just simply not the case. do to the overwhelming cost for such an expenditure, the quality of the system winds up being crap! they are already making so many cuts within the system that it is reducing the quality of state sponsored healthcare { via medicaid/care}. Hospitals and nursing homes all over the country are already hurting over the cuts that have been made and are projected to be in worse shape when the full load of obama care sets in. we then are forced into a system where we, john/Jane doe tax payer have no say in what kind of care we get. we wind up with the same problem we have when we succumb to a communist way of governing. and that being this. once you remove free enterprise and more importantly business competitiveness , you lose entrepreneurial motivation. in other words Investment at least slows down, if not stop all together. and that my friend is what made this country great. the only thing that will come out of obama's lets spread the wealth around scheme, is that we will all wind up on welfare being poor....Equally!

Lorelei and shave, the problem is that it simply isn't true that the majority of people who get gov't support are "freeloaders" who refuse to work. You have people working 2 or 3 jobs, but they're bad jobs and it doesn't provide enough money. That's much more common than lazy bums who just sit around all day (not to say that there aren't plenty of them, too). The lazy people are infuriating, but it's almost impossible to distinguish the two on an institutional scale. People seem to forget why we have these federal programs - it's because the communities, the capitalists, the markets were NOT doing a good job of helping each other out.

I agree that it's a slippery slope - it does build up a feeling of entitlement that is incredibly destructive. I would also agree that each person's success or failure should be down solely to his or her personal abilities and efforts, except for one crucial element that is missing: people don't start out on anywhere close to equal footing. I believe in unequal outcomes as long as there are equal starts. We're miles away from equal opportunities. I'm lucky - lower middle class, well-educated family, where it was always assumed that I'd go to college and get a decent job and debate politics on online forums. So many people don't have that culture, that support, those opportunities. So it seems entirely unfair to leave them to their lots. Some will pull themselves out of the hole in spite of the challenge, but they are exceptional. I think even average folks deserve a security net. Do you think JK Rowling would have written Harry Potter if she'd been homeless and on the streets - ie, if the UK hadn't given her support? There are many examples like that.

I tell you what does make me angry, though: the idea that I'm going to have to pay the healthcare costs of people who don't take care of their bodies - the huge proportion of people who are eat terribly, and avoid exercise like the plague, smoke, overdrink, etc. It's a wave a-coming, and it doesn't matter what system is in place - either I'll pay through the nose to support Obamacare, or I'll pay through the nose to cover healthcare costs when uninsured people can't pay their bills. Guess who picks up the tab. Yep, the public.

Two final points:
- Lorelei: While I agree that Obama has increased the deficit far too much, it's entirely unfair to blame him for an economic bubble burst that was building for more than a decade. Most economists agree that the worst time to cut spending is when the economy is weak. Clinton and Dubya should have been the ones cutting spending, but until Obama, Bush had the highest-deficits in the country's history. If you're looking for who to blame, look no further than the moronic banks who saw nothing but short-term $$$ and the gluttonous Americans who insisted on buying houses they couldn't afford. Ah, the glories of capitalism - boom/bust is the way it works, so we shouldn't complain when that's what happens!
I say again, "pull them all."

- shave: Obama isn't pushing for socialism. Period. The problem that Obama sees isn't that some people have more than others, it's that the disparity is huge, it's increasing, and it is leading indisputably to greater inequality of opportunity and democracy. It's a positive feedback loop: more influence = more money = more influence = ...etc . Again, I point to Citizens United and big corporation lobbies. We have to break that cycle, for the well-being of the entire nation. Otherwise you can kiss the middle class goodbye, along with the power of the people to influence our governments. Again, it's not about equality of result - it's about balance of power and opportunity.

No offence taken iamihop11.

Well Lorelei revealed her extreme right side!
What about the people that can't afford private Health Care Insurance? I'm sure you have a couple of monopolizing enterprises (Medicaid and another one).

As for the illegal immigrants, Turks in Germany that are useless can just go... We don't need people in the streets or just more crime, but some other illegal Turks, work well and strive to survive in the honest and right path, they also struggle and work to get assimilated into German Culture, those illegal immigrants should be granted at least residency.

I am sure its the same case in America, where the south west is full of Hispanic people from Mexiko and Central America, even passing the american population originally there. Some work to get assimilated into American Society, work the right ways to get money and help do the jobs Americans do not like to do, just like the Turks in Germany. I say those illegal hard working immigrants should stay, they help, the other criminals and beggars can be deported.

Also Tax the higher income people more (And I am saying this from a High Income Family point of view), I see low income families struggling with taxes while High Income people feel like its just throwing a penny on the pavement. Lets be fair and give more chance and opportunity to the low income people, by using part of that Tax for Healthcare, just like our northern neighbours Denmark and Sweden do.

U kids are crazy. Every one of your points can be refuted. The democratic way is innrfecient but the republican way is pure evil and retarded