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Capitalistic Nature of this Game

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Marshal Trumm
07 May 2012 23:20 Link
I know that in the past, it has been requested that presidents have the option to have a country that does not rely on profit or money. This game assumes that all countries are capitalist, and it's really not possible to have any other kind of system. This has been suggested on more than one occasion, and I think that the addition of the option for a moneyless economy be made a priority by the development team.
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Scarlet
08 May 2012 01:16 Link
lolcommies
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James the Fair
08 May 2012 11:51 Link
Well I do think that when choosing a certain form of government for your country there should be flaws or bonuses like there is in the civilization games.
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Gunther Shamus
09 May 2012 02:17 Link
though in civillization democracy is the best hands down they should be more equal in simcountry except for the communists they can be the worst
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Marshal Trumm
09 May 2012 02:28 Link
Gunther, true communist society IS democratic. You are confusing democracy with capitalism. The cold war had nothing to do with democracy; it was capitalism verses communism. To make it fair in this game, all systems should be equally good. Sure, make it a tradeoff, but a FAIR tradeoff for choosing communism over capitalism.
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Richard Shelton
09 May 2012 03:53 Link
Having different government types could be very interesting.

The 'communist' countries could receive more of a benefit from state run corporations, and less of a benefit from private enterprise corporations.

However, there is not currently an option for a communist government - socialist is perhaps the closest. And the fit there is very problematic.

However, if game effects by country type were to be introduced, I'd argue that game effects were based off the government types as they were intended to be - not the way they were implemented in the real world.

The world's largest democracy at the moment is ....China. So, there would be a lot of leeway on how the government types are actually played.

What if a country wants to choose neither communism or capitalism? Fascist states are a possibility, and allowed now. Where corporations are allowed, but broken to the will of the state. Run privately, but overseen by the government. The biggest draw for them in the real world was their lack of trade unions, although worker's rights were protected and mandated by the government.

I don't think you can get to a money-less society in the modern world. Unless a country is completely self-contained, it is going to need some kind of resources from the rest of the world. Most countries won't barter. (Unless you have something they really want, like oil.) But even them it would be simpler to pay you in currency than in sheep. Much easier to push a button and electronically transfer the funds, than to herd all those sheep aboard a ship or railroad, and bring em over. Less smelly too.

(hoping to be marshal ney again soon)
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Kitsune
09 May 2012 05:05 Link
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China is not a democracy at all. It is a single-party state.

On topic, how would you propose implementing a moneyless society in SimCountry (or at all)? I don't think it can be done in the context of a modern economy...
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Richard Shelton
09 May 2012 20:59 Link
China
(from Wikipedia)

Starting in the 1980s, they allow village elections to take place. All higher levels of government are indirectly elected with candidates vetted by the government. As a result, the highest levels of government contain either Communist Party members, their United Front allies, and sympathetic independents.

United Front (same source)

he United Front in the People's Republic of China is a nominally popular front led by the Communist Party of China. It is managed by the United Front Work Department (Chinese: 中共中央统战部) of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and besides the communist party it consists of eight minor parties and the All-China Federation of Industry and Commerce.


Yes, it is the world's largest democracy. A different form from the two-party system in the United States, but still fits the bill.

Now to go and read Marhal's link.
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Marshal Trumm
09 May 2012 22:47 Link
:)
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Gunther Shamus
10 May 2012 04:07 Link
Everyone knows India is the worlds largest democracy there is no such thing as a true democracy so there is some leeway allowed but China is not a democracy just ask them yourself they'll tell you


Marshall I'm not confusing democracy with capitalism I was


referring to another game in which democracy and communism are different forms of government its not 100% accurate and I was just kiddding about communism being the worst I just wanted to give you a hard time and I don't know if you can say true communism is democratic because true communism is supposed to manifest in a society in which government is not needed and if communism is a form of economy then why would that have anything to do with being democratic or not its just in history all notable communist countries were dictatorships
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Gunther Shamus
10 May 2012 04:09 Link
And why is it everytime I press on a link it directs me to the simcountry homepage
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Gunther Shamus
10 May 2012 04:11 Link
And Richard anyone can post on wikipedia ;) I hated it when my teachers used to tell me that
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maclean
10 May 2012 14:56 Link
Marshall, I have to disagree with you on a couple of points. Communism is not democratic; it is the very essence of elitism, couched in deceptive rhetoric. The Cold War WAS about democracy vs. communism, but capitalism was able to outspend and out-innovate the socialist Marx-Lenin economic model, while at the same time providing a higher standard of living for the "proletariat".
One other observation: the U.S is not a democracy, but a representative republic, though "democracy" is commonly used to differentiate between the free countries and the oppressed countries.
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Laguna
10 May 2012 15:40 Link
The Chinese People do not guide their nation, their Government guides them. In democracy, it is the opposite.
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Marshal Trumm
10 May 2012 20:54 Link
I didn't say that all communism is democratic; I said that TRUE communism is democratic. I will also point out that true and pure communism, as envisioned by Karl Marx, has never existed.
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Marshal Trumm
10 May 2012 20:56 Link
Well, since my link isn't working, I will just copy and paste the entire text into my next post here.
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Marshal Trumm
10 May 2012 21:18 Link
The Manifesto of National Proletarianism
By: Karactus J. Blome
Fifth Edition

I. Capitalism: The Hypocrisy
Capitalism: An economic ideology that centers on greed and exploitation. The
People are never in a worse system than this abominable, hypocritical system. In a
capitalist society, the people work to satisfy only their own wants and needs.
Corporations pay each worker individually for their labor, and take credit for
achievements; credit that rightfully belongs to the workers who accomplished them!
Most capitalists care nothing for the poverty and suffering of the lowly workers, a
class that consists of more than half the population. Yet capitalism also promises
freedom to the consumer, allowing to choose and purchase any product they wish.
Capitalism promises to preserve your freedom. If an individual decided to stop
paying back their debt, they could.
Do not fool yourself. This freedom is an illusion. If the individual stops paying
back debt, what would it cost them? Their home? Their car? So is capitalism truly
free? No. Capitalism is never free. Think of the proletarian, who slaves in the factory,
contributes greatly to the well-being of the corporation, and ultimately dies in the
same status. There is, perhaps, no greater hypocrisy than this. A proletarian, born
into poverty, is poor only because he was born into a poor family. He cannot afford
college when he grows up, and so he lives his life, as his father before him, working to his grave. This is seen, even in America, the Land of Opportunity, the
alleged liberty-and-justice-for-all, free-market capital of the world! All of this, too, is an illusion. They say, in America, that if you work hard, you will become rich. Anyone who works hard can achieve much and prosper. Anyone who says such things must think me a fool to make their lies so transparent! I return, again, to the
proletarian, who worked in the factory for years. He works almost ceaselessly to
provide for his family, on the brink of starvation. Capitalists talk of freedom and opportunity, and think nothing of the workers who suffer for an opportunity that they never enjoy because they are either too busy or too poor! No one should ever have to suffer needlessly just to provide for their family! What happens to those who are lazy? They lose their jobs, become homeless, along with their families. When the lazy man dies, what of his children? They grow up into poor workers, because of the actions of their father. They should not have to
pay for their father's laziness. Those who argue that the only reason people are poor is that they do not deserve wealth or well-being have a pathetic argument, at best.
You cannot argue that those children wanted to be poor, or deserve their poverty!
And what of the executives who run those factories? Most of them were born into
wealth, corruption, and exploitation. Likewise, just as most proletarians do not
deserve to be poor, most executives do not deserve their wealth, do not complain that your stock was worthless; your certificate was just paper before the crash, and it's just paper now! The same can be said about money, itself. What is a dollar bill? It is a slip of paper with a famous person's picture on it
and a number. It has no practical use, other than what any slip of paper is good for: for blowing your nose, wiping your face, and cleaning your behind!Perhaps currency would make sense if a dollar bill was a unit of how much paper is worth 1 credit, or whatever word you want to use to measure worth. If that were the case, the fifty dollar bill would be fifty times larger than the one dollar bill. If it worked that way, currency would make sense. In reality, the fifty dollar bill is exactly the same size as the one dollar bill, and it is made of the same material. There are only two differences between a one dollar bill and a fifty dollar bill: the fifty dollar bill has a
different number and a different face on it. Any paper bill, no matter how much it is
supposedly worth, is just a fancy slip of paper with a president and a number on it!
People really need to get over their obsession with paper, and realize the truth, that
paper is paper, and nothing more!
And what of intellectual property? The idea of intellectual property is not merely revolting; it horrifies me, and you should hate this abomination as well! For
the sake of clarification, I am going to define intellectual property right now. For our
purposes, intellectual property is defined as, "Legal ownership of an idea, thought,
or other non-material possession". So now that we have our definition, I can
properly explain what I hate so much about intellectual property, and I am not
going to sugar-coat this at all. For those of you capitalists out there who are reading
this, it will be a hard pill to swallow, so reader discretion is advised. If you think you
could be offended, don't read the next paragraph.
Intellectual property is the most pathetic and worthless of all the worthless and pathetic points of capitalism! I have absolutely no respect at all for intellectual
property! I spit in the face of those who expect me to pay them for an idea! Ideas are also imaginary concepts. Unlike currency, which is worthless, ideas can be priceless
if they are good ideas, or they can be worthless if they are bad ideas, but either way,
you cannot expect me to accept that your ideas can be converted into more wealth
for yourself, simply by slapping them onto a sheet of paper, selling them for three
dollars, and saying that nobody else can take your idea! This very manifesto came
from an idea, and you do truly believe that I published this with the intention of
making a quick buck? I would kill myself before even a penny was made on writing
this manifesto! So if you are looking to publish this manifesto and make money by
selling it in your pathetic bookstores, it will never happen! I will never copyright this
document, nor will I ever sell it, nor allow anyone else to sell it! This document must
always be free for all to read and enjoy!It didn't cost me anything to come up with
this idea, so it shouldn't cost you anything to read it!Furthermore, hurrah to the
video pirates! Hurrah to the music pirates! Hurrah to the software pirates! Never stop pirating until this wretched concept is destroyed, and capitalism overthrown!
The ultimate cause of poverty and greed in capitalism is currency!

II. Communism
We cannot be too harsh on capitalism without first looking at the main
alternative. Communism, as envisioned by Karl Marx, is an ideal system. A Marxist
society stresses collectivism, and glorified the importance of the people as a whole.
Communist nations take pride in what the people accomplish together, through
their work and dedication to the community. Communism also forbids private
ownership of any commodity, and everything is collectively owned by the community. In communism, wealth is redistributed equally among everyone. While
communism sounds ideal, it is not without its problems. There is no incentive to
work, as no matter how hard one works, they get nothing out of it. People stop
working, and as a result, the system fails. The people's collective laziness causes
everyone to become poor. Communism fails because everyone is treated equally,
not fairly. Fairness and equality are two completely different things. Imagine if you
went to the doctor's office with a headache, and the doctor gives you an aspirin and
sends you home. The next patient broke their leg, and the doctor gives him an
aspirin and sends him home. Finally, the next patient has brain cancer, and the
doctor gives him an aspirin and sends him home. This is the communist level of
equality. Fairness is more important than equality, which communism tries to
substitute for fairness. As a result, some people have few needs, and get more than
they actually need, while others have more needs, and do not get enough. However,
I have more respect for communism than I have for capitalism. At least communism
tries to be fair to the workers. Capitalism stomps all over fairness and leaves it in the
mud. This is our Party's official opinion of communism.

III. Socialism
One attempt to solve the problems of economics, is a compromise, taking
some communist concepts and some capitalist concepts. This is called socialism.
Our party believes that socialism is the best of the three systems, but that it still is
not an acceptable system. Before I explain why socialism is unacceptable, I will first
describe it, both to prove my credibility to you, the reader, and to make clear, the
concept, to you readers who do not understand socialism entirely. Socialism is a
transitional state between capitalism and communism, where property can be
privately owned, or collectively owned, and domestic trading, whether between
private companies, or between a private company and the state, is regulated by the
state, but otherwise legal. Socialism also uses high income taxes to provide free
services to the citizens, and to create a safety net for the poor.
Socialism sounds reasonable, but one problem remains, at least, that is
visible to me: it is inefficient. The state needs to keep records to ensure that people
do not cheat the system. They must exercise too much control over their citizens,
and ensure that all trades are fair, by definition in the laws. This can cause too many
delays, making trade slow and inefficient. Most socialist states provide free
health-care for the injured, the sick, and the elderly. The Party believes in, and
supports free health-care, however, we believe there is a better way to implement it.
This is our opinion of socialism as a whole. The only flaw of socialism is that it still
uses currency. Goods are still bought with a slip of paper. Because of this, the state
must still ensure that the trades are fair, and the delays are reducing the
effectiveness of the system. So socialism, while better than capitalism and
communism, is still not acceptable to us. Nothing more to be said.

IV. National Proletarianism
If capitalism, communism, nor socialism are acceptable, a new system is
needed. I am naming this system 'National Proletarianism'. In a National
Proletarian economy, there is no currency of any type. Currency is the root cause of
poverty. There are no private companies, as the government controls all means of
production. So, all workers work for the government. In place of currency, the state
would stockpile the factory production of all the factories in the country, and it
would use this production to reward the workers. The government obtains these
goods through its factories, run by workers who are rewarded with goods from other
factories. In our National Proletarian system, the hard workers are rewarded with more goods that are higher quality than the less productive workers. Therefore,
there is incentive to work, unlike communism. The goods produced for the state are
given directly to the workers who earn them. Additionally, private trading between
individuals or groups would be illegal, as the individuals may not have earned the
goods they are trading for. However, gift-giving would be perfectly acceptable
because you are not exploiting the person who is receiving the gift, and it is being
obtained at no cost to them. Extensive labor records will be kept by the government,
and will be updated regularly, and compared to the standards that were set
democratically by the last generation of workers. If the government finds that you
are exceeding the standards set forth at your level, they will increase your quality of
living, giving you access to more options, and to more goods of increased quality.
This should create the work incentive that is lacked by communism. Finally, two
lines will be drawn to determine the maximum position achievable by any
individual. Once an individual reaches this level, they will not be allowed to rise any
further. Instead, they must work to maintain that position. The other line is drawn at
the bottom limit, where it is impossible to drop down any further. This lower limit
should be placed right above homelessness. Such an individual will have a home,
and all their basic needs met. However, life for those at the bottom should not be
pleasant. They will get only the bare minimum. All new workers should begin at the
lower limit and work their way up. Additionally, the state would make sure to
enforce the eight-hour workday. The workers will not be happy if they are
overworked. Every worker will only ever work for eight hours or less. After eight
hours, they will be told to go home. Expanding on this, nobody will work on
national holidays, and workers will also choose their own work schedule. Some may
work weekends if they choose, while others may work on weekdays. That will be left
up to the individual.
On death, a worker's possessions should be returned to the state. The
exception is family heirlooms. Heirlooms may be passed down to the next
generation. If a good, earned by an individual becomes defective, the individual
need not earn a new one. You would just send the item back to the government,
who would ship it back to the factory where it was made. It would be repaired and
shipped back to the government, who would relay the package back to you. This
would all happen at no cost to you.
Even art and music would have an industry in such a state. Although such
industries would not be nearly as big as the mining or agriculture industries, art
would be industrialized as an entertainment industry, and artists would be rewarded
based on how many copies of their work were requested from the state. Because this
would require people to know about it, they should be taught to paint and to make
music in school, if they so choose. Art shows may be hosted to boost awareness of
the work of any artist who participates. A National Proletarian education system
should prepare the younger generations for work. They should stress the importance
of work, as well as the lessons of history. A National Proletarian economics class
should teach of the failures of capitalism and communism. Sciences are also
important. True to the ideal of this party, education should be provided to all for
free, and should be individualized to train each individual for their own chosen
career. Teachers should be rewarded based on the average grade of their students.
But how would you reward a scientist? Would you count his equations? That
sounds ridiculous; we also have a solution for this problem as well. The job of the
scientist would be merged with the job of an engineer. The resulting hybrid will be
called an "inventor". Inventors would apply their scientific knowledge to solve
problems in mechanics, electronics, or other engineering fields. The inventor would
be rewarded based on the number of working inventions they create, or on the
number of inventions that fail at first, but are later fixed and shown to work. This solution would be applied to any job that involves intelligence.
Our Party takes no stance on religion. Our system will tolerate any religion.
Churches and temples can be constructed on the condition that, either the people of
faith construct the building themselves, or that they find others who are willing to
assist them in constructing the building.
Our Party believes that military personnel deserve the highest amount of
respect and the greatest quality of life, automatically. Soldiers risk their lives for the
well-being of the Proletariat, and should be rewarded with the highest honors. At
the head of the military, should be a Marshal. This Marshal should be elected
democratically by the other officers in the military. The Marshal is to be supreme
commander of all armed forces of the state. This should include the army, navy, air
force or air defense force, border guard, and military police. The extent of the
Marshal's power should be limited to the military, only. The Marshal is to serve until
either retirement, resignation, or death.
National Proletarianism carries no prejudice that is based on gender, race,
ethnicity, religion, or sexual preference. The only prejudice that our party carries, is
against capitalism, and against those who willingly participate in capitalism.
Capitalism and Fascism are both sworn enemies to our party.
Additionally, any uniforms, decorations, or similar items should be considered
heirlooms, and may be passed down to a soldier's children on event of his death.
Law enforcement and emergency services should be integrated into the army.
National Proletarianism will not acknowledge intellectual property. In our
system, you have absolutely no right to profit from an idea that took no effort to
imagine in the first place. I am going to be completely honest about this, but in
other words, regarding intellectual property in a National Proletarian state, you have
no rights at all, except to receive credit for your idea in the first place. Indeed,
plagiarism would still be a crime. Other than that, you have no rights to it.
Government will also exist locally. Each township will have a
democratically-elected Council of Workers who will be responsible for local
legislation. Each town will also have its own stockpile of factory production, with
which it will reward the workers. Another way to look at it, is that each township has
its own miniature version of the national government, and that the whole state is
simply a union of these smaller, autonomous townships. The national government
could transfer goods between the townships, in order to assist the growth of smaller
towns, and allow everything to grow steadily. Of course, each individual town will
not have its own army. Instead, each town will have an army unit stationed in it, to
not only provide protection, but also for enforcing local and national laws.
National Proletarianism also promotes tourism, and any National
Proletarian state will happily provide for the needs of tourists during their stay. All
airports and seaports will be owned by the state, and will be open to receive tourists
as well as immigrants. The International Party of the Proletariat firmly believes in an
open-border policy, and would happily welcome immigrants with open arms. Under
our system, the more workers we have, the better. As soon as these immigrants go to
a government office and register for work, their names will be entered into the
computer system, and they will officially become citizens. They will be given jobs
and a home, and they will receive the same respect that any other citizen would get.
However, the state cannot allow corporations from foreign lands to enter their
lands.
Regarding abortion, our party's stance is "pro-choice". It is none of the
state's concern. Women have the right to decide what is best for their own body.
All National Proletarian states will exist as democratic, self-sufficient,
industrial, and militarized nations.

V. The Supreme Proletariat
On the national level, each National Proletarian state will have only one
legislative body in its government. This body will always be its Supreme Proletariat.
The Supreme Proletariat will consist of experienced and/or retired workers who
have already served their time in the workforce. When workers retire, their entire
generation should retire together, and the Supreme Proletarians should be elected
democratically from among the generation that is retiring. Once elected, these
members would serve for life, or until resignation. This body functions much like the
US Congress. However, corruption is not tolerated at all in the Supreme Proletariat.
In all National Proletarian states, any member of the government who is convicted
of corruption will be hanged immediately. I suppose if you wanted to be even more
extreme about it, you could suspend the bodies of these politicians from a steel
cable above the capital building and let their body remain on the cable for all
eternity, reminding other politicians of the penalty for corruption. I doubt we would
really do that but I can't speak for a state that doesn't yet exist. The Supreme
Proletariat should collectively hold absolute authority over all legislative matters,
but should be kept in check by the executive branch of the government, consisting
solely of the Army

VI. The Army
All National Proletarian armies will be named "Army of the Proletariat". There
can be no other names. The Army is the entire executive branch of the government.
The Army command structure will have a democratically elected Marshal as its
commander-in-chief. The Marshal is first elected democratically from among the
military officers in the Army of the Proletariat. After a Marshal has been chosen in
this manner, he or she must be approved by the Supreme Proletariat with an
approval vote.
The Marshal is directly responsible for all military and law enforcement
matters. In a National Proletarian state, the Army and the Police are one and the
same. However, law enforcement will not be in the same branch of the Army as the
combat troops. The police will be integrated into the Army's home guard.
The Marshal has the power to veto a bill that is passed by the Supreme
Proletariat, unless the bill has passed with a two-thirds majority. The Marshal's veto
is not a refusal to pass a law. Instead, his veto is merely a refusal to enforce that law.
The law still gets passed; a veto just means it will not be enforced.
The Marshal will not be exempt from hanging if he is found to be corrupt. He
will be treated just like any other corrupt politician. He will first be impeached and
then executed in that order.
In addition to a police force, the Army will also have a branch called
the "Workers' Rights Troops". Workers' Rights Troops have two responsibilities,
which are to ensure that the Proletariat is being treated fairly by the government,
and to defend the government from corruption. The Workers' Rights Troops will be
the executioners of the corrupt, even if they must hang their own Marshal.
The Army of the Proletariat's resources would not be limited by such things as
budget. Whatever the Army needs, the Army will certainly get!If there are no
factories to produce what the Army needs, then factories will be built to produce
them. So if you think about it in that way, you might imagine an extremely
mechanized army, armed with tanks that are the size of two-story buildings and
massive artillery batteries that can level entire cities within minutes. Indeed,
anything you can imagine this military having in its arsenal is not only possible, it's
probable that they will have it. There is absolutely no limit to the military power of a
National Proletarian state, which is something to think about if you are considering invading one. The Army of the Proletariat will send your whole country straight to
hell when they annex your territory, crush your capitalist government, and fly the
Hammer and Gear flag over all your ruined cities!

VII. Foreign Relations
Our Party's official opinion on foreign relations is that the less foreign
relations there are, the better. We oppose foreign trade, simply because it is
unnecessary in our system. We need not import goods, as we can produce it
ourselves. The only reason for a National Proletarian state to trade would be to
acquire resources it doesn't already have. In this case, because we oppose currency,
the state could only barter for the resources. We oppose any and all foreign private
companies who build facilities in a National Proletarian state. We oppose it so
strongly, that we would be willing to use military force to stop it. Any
privately-owned factories that refuse to give up control to the state would be shelled
to the ground by Army artillery, bombed from the air, or torched by soldiers.
Our Party's opinion on war is neutrality unless attacked. We believe in
fighting wars in defense of National Proletarianism, and that such a state should be
prepared to defend its territory. Therefore, we support militarism and encourage the
massing of large armies. The Party is also opposed to signing any treaties or joining
any alliance, except, perhaps, with another National Proletarian state. This is our
official stance on foreign relations.

VIII. The Courts
Our judicial courts would be directly democratic. We would have no juries,
because court cases would be voted on directly by the People; any citizen who
wishes to vote "innocent" or "guilty", would be allowed to. This is because we
believe that a twelve-person jury is not sufficient for representing the opinion of the
People, for how can twelve people represent the opinions of the millions of
residents who might disagree? Let the People speak for themselves!They need no
jury to represent them. Each case should have a voting period of three days, and
after three days, the votes should be counted up and tallied. The fate of the criminal
would depend on nothing more than a simple majority. This will also avoid the
problem of using the letter of the law to defeat the purpose of the law.
Technicalities mean nothing if the People are angry at you. If you cheated the
system, or the people it represents, you will be punished for it.
Additionally, each crime will have a very specific punishment. There will not
be any varying degrees of a crime. For example, if you intentionally killed another
human being, we won't care how you killed them; you are a murderer, end of story!
Expanding on this example, every murderer will get the exact same punishment as
the last, no exceptions.

Conclusion
Upon this Manifesto, we, the International Party of the Proletariat, establish
our principles and concepts, and our ideology. We establish our cause, and we shall
continue to fight for a better future of opportunity and freedom for each and every
human being on Earth.

WORKING CLASSES OF THE WORLD, UNITE AND REVOLT!!!
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Marshal Trumm
10 May 2012 21:34 Link
Sorry about the lack of a space between some of the sentences. This happened because it didn't copy directly. The actual PDF version of the document does not have these imperfections.
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Xyooj
11 May 2012 12:18 Link
darn, why even bother which type of government. i'm the owner of my empire, none of my companies can make decisions on their own, or can they? :)

a capitalism society could only exist if there are no owner of countries.

whatever government you choose, does the GM actually have the knowledge of how each government system works? ;)
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maclean
11 May 2012 20:09 Link
Marshall: This is not an attack on you, personally, I think you have given this a lot of thought. However, most of your manifesto is either bunk, ignores physics, or does not take into account human nature. There are a few good ideas, though. Maybe we can debate this sometime.
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Marshal Trumm
11 May 2012 22:45 Link
Well, I am an inventor, not an economist or an accountant. I designed National Proletarianism using the engineering design process, meaning that it's still a work-in-progress (notice that the Manifesto is in its Fifth Edition).

National Proletarianism was not 'philosophized', it is 'engineered'. Many people think of me as being a philosopher, and I suppose that I am also a philosopher, in a way. But contrary to what most people think about it, National Proletarianism did not come from a philosopher who dreamed about a 'life over the rainbow', so to speak. Instead it came from the mind of an inventor, who wanted to make life easier. Sure, I am a philosopher, but I was not using that mindset when I was writing the Manifesto; I was in the mindset of an inventor who saw many problems, and sought to invent, or engineer, a solution for them.
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SuperSoldierRCP
12 May 2012 00:25 Link
Your confusing trade with capitalism

Communism believe in government ran markets and the ideal everyone gives everything to a few who distribute it equally.

Capitalism believes that the government should have no interference with the markets and that all goods made shouldn't have government influence(This a trade is influenced by private corporations and enterprises).

Every nation "Trades" The soviet union in the cold war had many jobs all of which traded goods with other nations. But everything was ran by the government they still had money and used it for operation the "Empire" thought the cold war.
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Xyooj
12 May 2012 10:10 Link
in relation to simcountry, please clarify how a government type really affect/effect on your empire? i just came across that the GM has some corporations in my countries, and i wonder why in the real world NATO does not have a company in the USA? maybe NATO and USA ain't exactly a good analogy, but i'm sure you got my point :)

if it's my country, i should ran it the way i see fit. these interferences from the GM are not realistic. in my view, the only roles the GM has would be (1) enforce contracts of transactions, (2) make sure the simcountry program is bug free, (3)provide money/loans to players so they can develop their countries

those should be the very basic

i don't see how system without any form of common denominator will operate either. even in simcountry there are two form of currencies, beign gold coins and simcountry dollars...these are confusing enough already.

i'm new on simcountry, so what do i know :D
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maclean
12 May 2012 14:49 Link
@ Xyooj: As far as I know (someone correct me if I'm wrong), the type of government in simcountry has no effect on how the game is run, but is a cosmetic option for player satisfaction only.
@ Marshall: I agree that there are problems in most any form of government, and that government seems to be a necessary evil, at least until humans are all pure in heart, as it were. Even though our ideas on what constitutes an ideal government are probably very different, I am glad to see someone actually analyzing the situation. Being an older duffer who lived thru the Cold war, I tend to see Red when communism is extolled. :)