Missing Ammo

Over night 2 of my countries lost their stock pile of 500k LGB, 800K OAAM, and 1.2M MRM, along with well over 1M IM, and 2k stealth bombers. more i'm sure that was just the easy one to notice.

i did not move or use them. they are not stuck in the supply units

i'd like this ammo returned.

i think the ammo went to where it came from.

The ammo numbers increased tremendously in the last day or two.
we are checking our logs.
we have all the details about movements of ammo, in and out of space centers but also amount of ammo that went into units and
sudden dismantling of many units.

I do not have the impression that something is wrong now.

the entire time, i had 2200 stealth bombers, and over 500k LGB, just sitting their, for like a week. i did not create or dismantle any stealth units, and they are all gone

now i did notice in one of my countries, i ended up with about double the ammo i should have, in 2 catagories. but i didn't touch it. and all of it is gone.

the ammo is not in units, from some of the ammo, and locations, are are no units of that type set up.

to offer a thought

i can not buy LGB on LU. i could not have received ammo i didn't purchase. i did not create or dismantle stealth units. how ever, i'm missing the equivalent of 100 stealth wings. in the 390s q quality range. i have a second country that has a similar (tad smaller,) stock pile, you'll see that one i did not touch, just like the first, but it still has its stuff

i'm missing allot more than that, but that should prove that what i'm saying, is not the bug you describe. atleast, not entirely

Can you please explain where these huge quantities of ammo came from.
The numbers increased tremendously in the last day or two.

No cash paid for them.

We have very detailed logs of all movements.
Into space centers, out of space centers, dismantling of units, max shortages etc.

We also see large numbers of trucks, military supplies and fuel you never purchased.

Please explain.

Josias has a dodgy arms dealer.

Of course there is no paper trail for the acquisition of these weapons/ammo. One has to look for other favours delivered.

i had/have very large stock piles of those. i've learned from experience what its like to be in the middle of a heated battle, and run out of trucks, so i have lots of extra. i've got millions stashed here and there through out my countries, and ceo's. military supplies as well

it is normal for me to have large stock piles of trucks, aircraft fuel, gasoline, military services, and military supplies. depending on the country, the world, and whats going on.

recently, i've experienced a problem, where my larger countries, can not buy enough military services to keep up with the monthly demand. and i must manually buy those. i did once have to do an emergency transfer from off world, but since then, i just have to manually buy my Military services every couple days. this is my problem not yours. i'm just pointing out that i watch these things. i couldn't tell you the actuall numbers i have. but i keep allot.

so, i had 100 stealth wings, of 390 quality sitting in my inventory (not set up,) and with out touching it, it is gone. i'm also missing my stock pile of interceptor missiles, and heli missiles, in 2 countries. along with all my MRM, ATM, and OAAM.

and the stealth, had been on locaton for a real month. just sitting in that country waiting. but now they are gone.

please return my ammo! and weapons!

well, i do think that one of my countries that i'm complaigning about falls under your documented issue. but the other, that lost the stealth, and a full away of interceptor missiles, and heli missiles, i didn't do anything with that one

My ammo's been vanishing aswell. In my countries Vipers and Sinister (LU). I put my air defence up which left me 200k int and heli missiles in the countries stock.

When I logged in the next month I had 0 missiles? Wtf. That's not right. Were did they go? Viper and Sinister pls take a look Andy? This isnt the first time I've seen ammo vanish after creating units.

There's lots of it going around. One good player I know suddenly went over 500K PBs in negative. Myself, I lost millions of defensive missiles of all sorts all over the place.

Some reason was stated that didnt quite make sense to me about how units weren't previously being supplied properly or something and that had been fixed, hence the massive usage of ammo. You'll also note the greatly increased demand in ammo on the market that happened, though this seems to have died back a bit now.

Anybody who lost ammo, should mail us.

Nothing was lost that should have been there.

I've been loosing stuff for weeks, im sure of it. Thought it was just me. Im loosing units in space transports aswell.

Andy I know were my stuff should be. I moved an exact amout of ammo into those countries so I know what im missing. I should have 200k Int and Heli missiles in those countries after meeting the default ammo for my wings.

i did andy, got a message, that i replied to, got another reply, that was a copy/paste of the original.

My country Powerslave LU has the same problem. Negative ammo this time. I should have 200k Missile's to spare after default ammounts?

Andy surely your detailed logs would tell you were Josias stuff came from? It seems like your saying that stuff wasnt supposed to be there so you's moved it?

We have discovered where a lot of this ammo came from and have documented all the cases where this bug was misused.

if you have a problem, you can better mail us.
Ever since we invited everyone to mail us about it, nobody mailed. so we assume everybody is OK.

The error is fixed and a lot of the ammo that was created out of nowhere is destroyed.

I don't think that anyone who used this repeatedly will have anything to complain about.

we have all the names of the countries, unit numbers, dismantle date and time and all the numbers involved.

Ammo that was destroyed in the correction runs that are now running all the time, will never return.

So you say there was a bug that enabled people to get ammo from nowhere? I wasnt aware of one and didnt use one. Yet still my countries all of a sudden went into massive ammo shortages.

Maybe you mean it was a game error, not a bug. And you have fixed the error, creating these massive losses for many people yourselves.

And please can you elaborate on what these 'correction runs' are. They destroy ammo? I know this issue has cost me trillions and when I think of serpent losing 1/2 million PBs, how much is that?

I do wish you would be clearer with your player base when stuff like this happens. I'll work with this latest round of debt I have accumulated but it would be nice to understand where it came from.

Thankyou, Crafty, long time active paying member.

I explained before why many units moved to purchase ammo about two weeks ago after being allowed to remain with shortages too long.
You can call this a game error.
It caused shortages on the market and we have commented on it etc.

What happened now is a bug that was misused many times by a few players. It was fixed and many corrections took place.

I don't think we should go into details and expose the players but we think that when you discover such an error, the last thing to do is to use it over and over again. In most cases, players report bugs to us and we fix them.

We log everything. It can take some time before we notice but these logs remain here for ever and we have the tools to reconstruct what happened.

current shortages

Units, also in peace time, are getting supplies more frequently now and the countries, when delivering to the units, may be triggered to place orders.
This is why we see more orders for ammo in general.
In the past, they were allowed to accumulate shortages and in many cases were not resupplied and the countries did not place the orders.

The actual use of ammo by the units is the same as before.

I've mailed you. The games unplayble untill this is fixed.

Thanks Andy. I'm sure you are right. But it doesnt help me that some countries have gone into debt so much with this, when they were recovering, that they now have entered the endless cycle of immediate orders - more cost - higher debt.

You should have declared your intention to fix the supply problem or at least dismantled the units that were short, some other solution to creating multi trillion need for ammo. This has wrecked my game again, just when I was bringing it back. Thanks a bunch. If I found a bug I would no longer be inclined to tell you, you dont offer us the same respect by telling us, you just go ahead and do it.

I really dont get it sometimes, you let countries go 200T in debt yet the owner can still buy military and take C3s (no disrespect to the person who does that btw), you allow the C word on the forum, people have issues non-stop and yet you plough ahead merrily with no thought to how you ruin peoples games. Sheesh.

And it seems you still have issues, best you go ahead and deal with Gazs problems.

These aren't issue crafty there major screw ups. Deal with them all.

I've been cleaned out. My country Kantam has been raped over night. 100T militarty assest's wiped out. Andy wtf?

Dont say that ammo shouldn't have been there. I hadn't moved a thing when I took it over.

not to mention, why do unit HAVE to have the default ammo?

Isn't this default thing just recently added? Ever since then I've been loosing ammo.