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Pope Samtator IX (Little Upsilon)
07 Jul 2009 02:43 Link
This is complete and utter bullshit.

I still do not understand the reasoning behind this nor do I care to.

I understand this.

Laguna can not fight. I can whip him easily.

How can I fight the GM's as well?

I would like to cash out in one lump sum the bullshit way currently takes far too long.
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General Curtis LeMay (Little Upsilon)
07 Jul 2009 03:15 Link
no he can't and most of us can kick his ass np. so all he can do is play the gm card in a game thats dead. LMFAO

and yes I would like one lump sum cash out .
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slocketer17 (Little Upsilon)
07 Jul 2009 03:40 Link
Another step in the wrong direction for the GM's....

oh when will they learn to stop smoking pot over in Amsterdam? Maybe they wouldn't be such dumb fuck faces anymore....

*peeks over at LG*
...guess not anytime soon
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Keto
07 Jul 2009 04:24 Link
LMFAO!!!
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Houston (Little Upsilon)
07 Jul 2009 04:36 Link
Although I have played for a few months, I still consider myself quite green.
I do not know the underlying rifts or the basis for this argument in its entirety either. I can only guess from what I infer in reading the posts.

Wildeyes, to be honest, is a mixed bag to me. Although she did go nuke happy on my countries, she did help me out a lot in my first real war. In retrospect, even being nuke happy on my country taught me a few things: 1) This is a game. Players are here to enjoy it (albeit within the confines of the ToS) and the owners need to make some sort of money to continue. 2) There is no such thing as a peaceful world. Anyone is allowed to start a war against anyone. Larger and more experienced players can band together to deter these incidents, but they cannot remove them completely from the game.

In the end, I'm grateful for what Wildeyes (and many others, you know who you are, but this is focused on Wildeyes) did to me and for me. I'll remain ignorant on the other issues (ie - GM - customer satisfaction etc) for now. But to say Wildeyes drives away new players, I think is oversimplifing or generalizing the situation.

When I signed up on the old interface, there used to be disclaimers that not all worlds were peaceful. Old and new players should have taken heed of that warning. I joined LU and was wrongly told that IF I was an economic player and peaceful, I wouldn't be attacked nor would I have to attack. I took that premise to heart although there is NO basis or support for such a statement. Nowhere in the manual, nowhere in the ToS, etc. After the fall of SNA, I was nuked. I had taken the game too seriously and believed all the words of economic player = peaceful and wouldn't be attacked.

Now, I look at Wild's initial actions upon me and all beginning players as sifting through wheat. The players who have intentions of remaining and willingness to learn and who do not take the game extremely serious are the seeds that will pass through. The players who leave after any hardships and who would probably leave anyway after they comprehend that the game engine is quite complicated are the chaff. All players should understand that there is a war game element to this game. Deluding them is not the answer.

As someone suggested before, if these actions are not to be tolerated (the attacks on new players), create a peaceful server where only wars can be declared on c3 or mutual declaration.

This is not a competition to see who's most helpful and who isn't or who's more powerful and who isn't. What I see is this: "Might makes right is wrong, don't pick on weak people." and contrast to this: "I have helped more people than any others so my arguments have more basis." Is that not a twist on the "might makes right"?

Take my words worth the pennies they are. I, and a group of friends, also run an online game that we bought from the original owners who were doing something similar to what the current owners of simcountry were doing. Population declined. As soon as ownership changed and we included input from the community (albeit saying that we had final decision :P), our customer base has grown several fold. I think we grew from a 70 playerbase to over 700 right now in less than a year. It could still be the "newness" factor that has boosted the playerbase. But I like to think it's more of including the community's input.
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Daconia (Little Upsilon)
07 Jul 2009 04:57 Link
I'm disappointed with the gamemasters. Even more than usual.
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Cfballer
07 Jul 2009 05:36 Link
Although a member of LDI I have tried to view this forum as unbiased as possible... With that being said my opinion is that all of this is pure bullshit! Laguna you started this thread claiming you were ready for a war which would take out wild, jason, and sam. That is a legitimate post; however, your threats were empty handed. Instead you got the GM to hand out the threats making yet another war void. If you want to fight why not just fight? After the disbanding of SNA I have only found LDI members very hospitable and all together good people. Wild has helped me economically and in war; Sam and Jason have of course helped me out in the war aspect :P. Also EO aka Beast has been a mentor for me in this game for a long time. Without these people I probably still wouldn't be on this game! I was all over lacerta and they had every right to take me out with everyone else, but instead they gave me the option to join them. They don't fight noobs... If anyone fights noobs its the almighty wendy who seems to defend you! However you don't call her out? I have no problems with wendy, but I think all sides should be shown. If you really want to be your supposed savior laguna tell the GM to lay off and fight sam, jason, and wild without wp.
Hail LDI!
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The High Profitess
07 Jul 2009 11:12 Link
MmmmmK CF I "GET" it, but by all means I am "Newb" even after a year.


I learned by trial and error, so when a n00b gets tonz of advice on how to defend against "Noob crushing Wendy" they quickly surpass almost totally my my trial and error experience.

The reason I may seem to win these wars against n00bs, as you say, is because experience is the best teacher. You can have the manual, and still fumble through its pages. Losing despite having all the tools necessary to win. Like fumbling from country page to country page, forgetting to supply adequately, or stock ammo adequately, and list goes on and on. These things I still manage from time to time to forget even though I have fought 200+ wars.

Who exactly are n00bs in your book?

Laguna
Sam
Wild
Jason
Dub
Slock
Whomever Veritas is
Phatz
Aqua
Stuart
Loki

I could keep going but my brain hurtz thinking so far back

I can name a few n00bs I fought, but I chose them for practical strategic reasons, and was almost 95% of the time at a tactical disadvantage. Outnumbered and undergunned. I never attack with a "real" war slave by anyone's standard. I have proly had only one on LU ever. And I attacked not a single n00b with it. I defended it against an older player under a new alias and lost it being too soft.

CF I think you need a spanking.

LG doesn't call me out because he Luuvs me, as I do him. Maybe he just is insecure about his feelings and discussing them here with you guys! Look at whats goinz on here right now/ HA

CF if it does go down . . . I look forward to putting a nUke up YOUR arse. All pun/fun intended.
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Cfballer (Little Upsilon)
07 Jul 2009 17:37 Link
I don't need a spanking... You attacked other noobs for no reason such as Maxwell and he left the game. I'm not trying to argue this point, but just pointing out the obvious. You have attacked with a real war slave it was taken by BC (although not a noob) in one of his first real wars! I don't want to fight you wendy but I just feel all sides of the conversation should be noted.
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The High Profitess (Little Upsilon)
07 Jul 2009 17:54 Link
CF Maxwell left of his own accord, after some changes affected him or Forum BS rubbed him the wrong way.

He actually "appreciated" our fun times because it allowed him to learn the war engine. Those were his own postings not mine.

Get your facts str8 bud. Misrepresenting them could lead well . . . to things rather left unsaid.

I'm dissapointed that you have chosen to put me in the crossfire without "knowing" what side you are even speaking about. I had nothing to do with Maxwell leaving. I promote, build, spark interest in this game, or at least aim to. How about you? You slander me? I thought we were kewl homie. Some things will never change.
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Cfballer (Little Upsilon)
07 Jul 2009 21:56 Link
I consider us cool wendy. My only thing is I just believe all parts of the argument should be shown. I have no problems with you and actually have fun watching your wars, but I thought it should be brought to the table! If I misrepresented your fight with maxwell I apologize, but it was a classic case of fighting a noob. I'm not out to attack anybody, but this problem needs to be ended and without GM interference.
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Laguna
07 Jul 2009 23:24 Link
<!-Quote-!>Quote:

I remember some point hearing that while The Gods and Devils may influence you, they are happy with influence, and leaving free will intact. . . <!-/Quote-!>


Sounds about right.

Hello, Wendy.

I've actually been wondering where you have been on and about. At one and another point in this thread, I wonder "What would Wendy say?" Happy to see Wendy would say "me Luuvs ma LG".


I believe I've posted a word or two about Russia's economic conversion in the 1990's before. The moral was:
Things need to be done in steps. Foundations must be laid and solid before the next phase comes. You don't jump to the end. Here, what should be solid and functional isn't, and it makes difficult to build what is needed.


After reading the Game News, I finally understood why he asked about FB and warned Wildeyes specifically. There was another group of players contacting the GM, besides me and those who I forwarded to him. Interesting, but didn't change anything. The war will continue. I'm waiting that Jason and Sam to come out of War protection.
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WildEyes (Little Upsilon)
08 Jul 2009 01:16 Link
"After reading the Game News, I finally understood why he asked about FB and warned Wildeyes specifically. There was another group of players contacting the GM, besides me and those who I forwarded to him. Interesting, but didn't change anything. The war will continue."

The hell does that mean?
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slocketer17 (White Giant)
08 Jul 2009 01:28 Link
The game news actually makes wild's point even more valid...
The fact that the complaints came from the "war" world, are quite ridiculous. You don't want to fight don't fucking play on the war world. Makes sense right? If you are so dumb that you can't think of that yourself, go find games more suited to your intelligence level...i suggest coloring books, they are quite fun.

Additionally, there shouldn't be limitations on wild now that they decided they will add a stop the war booster. It is now quite easy to protect yourself. (glad they listened to my post above with that one...)
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slocketer17 (White Giant)
08 Jul 2009 01:29 Link
Although, I applaud the GM...this was a step in the right direction.
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Laguna
08 Jul 2009 01:31 Link
It means "there was another group of players contacting the GM, besides me". The GM doesn't only listen to me, and I don't make it my business to know which messages he got. That's why I thought it was a bit weird only two got warned (and only warned).

This has nothing to do with you, Slocketer. You did nothing.
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WildEyes (Fearless Blue)
08 Jul 2009 01:37 Link
To be fair, I'm not "limited" yet. The only limitations on action come from the reprecussions of their unclarified warning...

Nevertheless, it's almost as good as an actual restriction.

But more to the point: "The hell does that mean?"

I'm still waiting on clarification. Perhaps someone could enlighten this lowly soul to the frothing outcries that her tanks merely drowned out.
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WildEyes (Little Upsilon)
08 Jul 2009 01:43 Link
No, now that the GMs have decided to get involved I need to know what I will be allowed to do and not allowed to do with regards to their warning. I need to determine whether it will be worth it for me to continue playing, or if I should just move everything to FB (although that ironically seems to be where the complaints came from?)...

or should I find minions to war for me by proxy, using my cash and stockpiles.

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Maybe if the GMs would actually communicate, and explain themselves and their wishes, instead of just delivering warnings out of the blue... something might get accomplished.

W3C really needs to hire a PR person, because they have some major communication issues.

Maybe you're not the only person who the GMs listen to, Laguna, but you certainly seem to be the only one who they have a special ear for. The occasions I've spoken with Tommi or Jonni Gil have always been pleasant. Our lofty sim-gods should come down from their ivory towers to grace us plebeians with their wisdom more often.
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slocketer17 (Little Upsilon)
08 Jul 2009 02:03 Link
I know I never did anything, but this does have to do with me...in fact, it has to do with everyone in the game.
This is not just a thread about people killing noobs, etc... I see it as more of a thread about the causes of decay.
However, it especially does apply to me since Wild, Sam, Jason, etc... are all fedmates.
That...and I am quite bored, summer means I have lots of spare time on my hands.

My point before about the complaints was that although there may be complaints from people other than you, those people are obviously retarded if they complain about frequent wars on a world that, by design, has frequent wars and thus their complaints, although they should be noted and fixed should also be dealt with skepticism.
My problem is that the GM's are not fixing these complaints in the right manner in my opinion. Telling Wild that she cannot war any longer is a horrible idea. Not only would this make her leave, but it does not fix the problem for the long term or for other instances.
The booster suggested in the game news was a great idea. Perhaps facilitating a move to another world for those on FB that complained would also be a good and more specialized idea. Applying the "stop the war booster" would defeat the purpose of a "war" world.
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Pope Samtator IX (Little Upsilon)
08 Jul 2009 02:03 Link
Welcome to "Lance of Oceanus"




Easy to start

The president was active in the last month.
President: Laguna
Presidency start date: September 2173


War Protection: Protected until Mar 2456


Lance of Nyx"




Easy to start

The president was active in the last week.
President: Laguna
Presidency start date: March 2166

War Protection: Protected until Dec 2455


Lance of Abaddon"




Easy to start

The president was active in the last week.
King: Laguna
Presidency start date: January 2180


War Protection: Protected until Jan 2456


Lance of Dubhthaigh"




Easy to start

The president was active in the last week.
President: Laguna
Presidency start date: March 2193


War Protection: Protected until Sep 2455


Since you wish to provoke a war over something that occurred on another planet in which I had no part. You leave me no choice but to undertake a C3 campaign of my own.

Until those countries are available for pillaging ......... here is that pointy stick.
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WildEyes (Little Upsilon)
08 Jul 2009 02:48 Link
I take back what I said about not being restricted....


"Sorry, your country can't declare a new war at the moment."

Yes, it was a C3. Yes, I tried more than one country. No, the C3 isn't at war already, recently abandoned, etc....


So, I'm told to stop - I stop, even though I wasn't doing anything at the moment, and it happens anyways?

What the hell...

I suppose I can still get attacked just fine, but since I can't even declare war on C3s I can't cover my borders.


I'm 90% ready to just move everything to FB since it seems I can still start wars there, but I don't know if there would be any point since it seems like even if I do what the GMs ask and indicate my willingness to comply they punish me anyways.
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WildEyes (Little Upsilon)
08 Jul 2009 03:08 Link
And WTF happened to my accumulated WP? The most I have in any of my countries is 27 months! I know Dragon Army *AT LEAST* should have the max amount.

Wow, next time, instead of taking me off at the kneecaps, since a little higher and just disembowel me, why don't you?
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Pope Samtator IX (Little Upsilon)
08 Jul 2009 04:33 Link
Odd somehow The Swiss Guard lost all its WP....

I have not been warned nor have I done anything to deserve such treatment except for refusal to obey Laguna.

/me stares at the GM.

I will post it here for verification.

<!-Quote-!>Quote:

The War Protection Period of The Swiss Guard on LU has been increased to 105 game months. War Protection is now on!<!-/Quote-!>

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Yankee (Fearless Blue)
08 Jul 2009 05:10 Link
That's alright ..
I'm okay ..
It ain't nothing but another day ......