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oh come get some. you and your boys couldn't handle even EO and wild let alone all of us. LMFAO

So you're working for the game to eliminate its customers? Makes sense to me.

Yes your time has passed. Do not claim to be the most helpful player in the game. Do not claim you know the daily war declarations that go on.

How do you hope to maintain the health of the game when it needs to be periodically cleansed of players (albeit many of the best ones)? Work harder on the framework.

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Counting from the beginning to the end, I can make that claim without any trouble. Counting in the present, I can't and I don't.

Seems like you have a little trauma there, Ares.


When the customers damage the merchandise for the next guy, it makes perfect sense to tell them no. And it is pointless to improve the game and bring new players, when they'll leave because of you people. You will have to change first.

lol. So people never had wars before?

My last raid on an active player was Chuck Steak. There was a complete lack of war of any kind, and now there is not. Sometimes it takes a spark Laguna.

And no, I was not "damaging merchandise." I was playing the game within its rules and limits. If simcountry does not want players to attack each other, they can remove war from the game. Don't give me that BS argument.

You must stop assuming I'm speaking to just one person at all times. That's right, I'm speaking to you right there, in front of your screen.

CustomerS. CustomerS. Collective action.


[Insert sad story about people taking stuff from wild preserves.]

It actually fits nicely, since new players are an endangered species.

You are Laguna. 4 of your last 5 quotes were from what I've said. I'm done talking to you Laguna.

War is a part of the game. Fearless Blue is not the answer.

You having knowledge, influence because of your tenure, and great skill, but that does not give you the right to run the game. It is pointless to play a game run by the owner or someone with the authority to tweak what they don't like. You, not us, is ruining the game Laguna.

Let us consider a premise...

this premise is that "no one wants SC to die," it then follow from this that "everyone wants what is best for the game" to be more or less true as well.

Considering these two premises, it is logical to conclude that there is some room to compromise, and I will start by apologizing for airing my dirty laundry in public. In exchange for this, I hope Laguna will allow me to explain to him why I interpreted certain things as I did.

Next, I do not think SC would benefit in any way from either Laguna or myself being wiped out, nor the collateral damage that would ensue from peripheral parties, nor would either the time of Laguna or myself be served best this way. Don't get me wrong, I would love to do this some time, but not this way. May was different. May was supposed to spark something, and in certain ways it did, although the effects have been mixed.

Finally, Laguna and I have decidedly different stances on how to breathe life into the game, but we both agree that running new players off is not one of them. I think this is another common ground, and should be a place that we can talk.


As for this, I'm leaving the ball in Laguna's court, and he replied to me in IRC that he only wished for the "situation [with newer players] to be resolved." I think that's the more important issue.

It takes a lot for me to abandon an aloof standpoint and start leveling accusations of this and that, and I think it shows two things: firstly how widely Laguna and I differ in opinion on how things ought to be done, but second and more importantly, the persistent feeling that this could be a really good game but it just keeps missing its potential.

So, for all this, I withdraw my harsh words and I apologize. I still admit that Laguna and I have some very divergent ideas, but that I would like to explore them. And perhaps some day when the greater problem of the game is fixed we can arrange a fun time with each other.

Although... lines like

"Jason, rest assured, that you will be gone from the game one way or another, and there was nothing you could do to avoid it. "

were/are a big part of my problem, Laguna...

If anything along those lines happens from an in-game angle then hands are kind of tied in the matter...



Edit: Actually, an except from what I said in an MSN convo to anonymous parties

WildEyes says:
i know
i agree xxxxxxxx
i'm just stepping back from the crucifixion/lynching to see if maybe there isn't some sort of middleground.... the goal is the same. Our beliefs about how to get there are different.
Lets not act like republicans and democrats

"Jason, rest assured, that you will be gone from the game one way or another, and there was nothing you could do to avoid it. "


I was not involved in the last war against you, however the choice is yours how I play this one.

LDI Minister of Peace

jason

I'm very tired of the eternal mediocrity this game is fated due to its community's and self-destructive design.

The game can only grow, if it corrects the design and the community becomes more receptive and amiable. That second requirement doesn't seem to strike a chord on anyone. It should and with good reason.

As I look around, I can't believe Simcountry has been around for 8 years. Being tired of this constant mediocrity and moved by the messages players sent me, I decided to do something about. Eliminating those that perpetuate the social stigma is a medium term band-aid. It also allows the development of the game in peace as well.

If you, Wildeyes, understand that part of Simcountry's problem, good. It's one less player that enlarges a problem. Consequently, I have no reason to eliminate you.
Thank you for your apologies, but I don't take anything here personally. I know why you said some of those things and they were said with good reason.

Jason doesn't seem to understand. What do you say, Wildeyes? Does he understand or not?


"Lines like "Jason, rest assured, that you will be gone from the game one way or another, and there was nothing you could do to avoid it. " were/are a big part of my problem, Laguna..."
Like I said: You reap what you sow. If people insist on being assholes, they will be treated like assholes. Once they stop being assholes, those lines will be no more.

it looks like lg don't when to stfu. hmmm

your right lg your are an asshole.

I grow tired of the outrageous pomposity of examining an online game and finding fault with the actions or morality of its players.

Morality has no place in this arena. I play within the rules and as I see fit. As do the others you are childishly threatening.

Stop dictating the terms of others enjoyment like a petty internet theocrat.

If my only choices are listening to your endless bullshit and kissing your ass or taking everything you own on SC through brutal warfare....

Sign me up for elimination..... Puto.

/me spits on floor

you got a big mouth and not much to back it up lg. come out of wp and I'll be glad to fight you. I have all next week off work.

Parsing the difference in the views of Jean-Luc Marion and Jacques Derrida on whether or not Pseudo-Dionysius's Mystical Theology provides an adequate "third way" out of the kataphatic-apophatic binary is more important than any of this right now...

That's about where I am with this...

I just have three things to say:

1. If there is some great ban stick coming down from above it should just happen already. Sort of a "put up or shut up" thing. If it lands on me I'll consider it a moral victory, look back at the fun I did manage to have on this game, and then look forward at all the free time I will have to consider things like I wrote above.

2. Laguna, there is no sport in noobs, with the exception of an odd Akasha who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (although I did mention her case went awry and was intended to be much less severe). You know this, and you know that the challenge is my shtick. Why should I be interested in hunting noobs?

If anyone is interested, I do have one theory that I can sketch out. It concerns how the community that has misinterpreted certain things (such as LDI actions) as anti-noob and in the attempt to emulate have gotten it wrong. I'm sure you'll find much of the noob-wrangling these days is not LDI's. If you'd like, LDI can take it upon ourselves to punish the community for falling into heresy before the Pinktator and turning from the truth of his wisdom for the veneer of his swagger.

3. My approach has always been evolution through competition. More often than not, when I poke in the game it is to prove whatever I am poking. Such was the case with SNA. The viable part of the fed re-formed into NV-LU. If you, Laguna, see the destructive side of this, I won't argue with that. However, you mentioned you don't deny the place of war in this game. When I said to think of a constructive direction for my natural disposition, I mean think of a way I can use conflict to keep things alive and changing.

However, the game design makes it so neither warmongers nor peaceful players can be satisfied, for reasons that are plentiful and more than obvious to anyone who sits down and thinks about it.


So many other things, but really not important. Bottom line, at least between myself and Laguna is...

If it's about the future of the game, we're in the same book, just different pages.

If it's about April, I can't really complain about a counter-attack (even though I wouldn't call a 40-country setup +WP 'courtesy' when I removed my weapons and staging points from VB like I said I would).

If it's about people not acting nice then I made my apologies and can't speak for anyone else, but I stand with my in-game alliances.

why does it always have to be 'you people this' 'you people that' Laguna? If you really really truly care about this game so wholeheartedly as you make it sound you seriously need to get a life. You also should stop sounding like you are just the best thing to ever happen to this game, I don't deny you are extremely knowledgeable but comeon....you shit has got to stink at least a little bit and there are others who have been very helpful to this game besides yourself. I like playing too as should be obvious by the length of time I've spent here but really in the grand scheme of my life does this game matter? No, its a game. I'll play it how I want, I'm going to destroy active players sometimes, help some new people, raid people who hostile bid, and run a crappy half assed empire like I always have and dammit its gonna be amusing. Thats all this is right, amusement, not some sort of personal holy crusade to show others the way things ought to be? Maybe I'm way off...maybe its the beer speaking...if I'm way off I apologize. Maybe I ought to stick to only 5 words.

I like the 5-6 words my self. lol but you are right lg is very off and it will cost him big time.

1. To know where everyone stands and what everyone thinks is one of objective. Giving choice and allow others to retribute favors, as well. After that, yes.

2. I never said you should only hunt n00bs. For a matter of fact, I never told you what to do.

3. Your approach of war is incomplete, as war doesn't begin with it's declaration, nor does it end when the game says it does. Leaving it in a limbo, doesn't help.

No, this is not about April. If it was, I would have stated so.


Yes, Aaron, you are mistaken. But from your point of view, if I want to exterminate some players, what is exactly is the problem with that?

I agree fully.

I am considering exterminating you.

yes sam I think its time for lg to die.

I'm hearing a lot of noise generated by functional illiteracy.

/me kicks Laguna square in the crotch.

That should improve your hearing.

Now on to other issues.

Post your grievances or drop WP.

I'm actually waiting that you come out of war protection.

I will pass on your pathetic C3 montage. Thanks but no.

Bring out the ones that matter and I will be interested.

I want less Laguna not an inactive/C3 war.

The longer you two stay in war protection... Your choice.

To reach me, you'll have to get past the C3s.