July

War has been declared on WildEyes.

This comes as a continuation of the war started in April. Obviously, people do not understand why a Gamemaster stops their wars and do not show appreciation when I halt their banishment.

I've waited until July for a matter of courtesy, as this was the date that was stated, and because neither Wild or myself was around between the two months. Plus, I got injured so I won't be going anywhere soon.

As it is pointless to fight a war without goal, I'll set my goal on reduction and a surprise buttsketch... or several.

The last time I moved to wipe out players was... too long to remember actually. I do remember the scene on WG with Yankee and WGC though. But well, that wasn't the result of my initiative. I just hope my will to continue warring (and waste my time here) will suffice to end before time runs out, as this is a time limited event. I can promise that it will force the game to change again.


Although I would appreciate if several people could alleviate me of my C3s stuffed with debt and reduce my govt costs, I have to advise against it. Such interference may not be too well liked by those that matter. And this time, I won't intervene to stop whatever comes from above.


PS: I really can't censure when people email me calling you lifeless pricks. Just look at the time it took me to conquer those C3s, geez. War takes so much time... Oh well, I'm patient.

/me proceeds to watch Ricky Gervais gig on LA.

Mmm. Happy July ;D

edit: although I have to say, 10 years of WP in your war slaves and a bunch of C3s isn't going to impress me. Re-roll?

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Would 100 years make you happier? For a very interesting reason, my account has been in war protection since February. Like many of my reasons, it is one not to be shared. This does not thump that reason, specially when it isn't necessary.

If the C3s didn't have their purpose, I wouldn't have them.

Laguna, no one cares anymore. And no one has time for your attitude on this game. You have idle threats and vague gestures at some kind of special power over the game - then whenever someone mentions it you deny both it and saying anything of the sort.

Of all the "vets" I met when I was beginning you were always the least helpful on all but the most basic knowledge. You are pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded in your conception that RL values somehow map on to a game.

But it's good to see you have a fighting side nonetheless, even if the initial salvo is somewhat.... flaccid.


edit: And I should clarify. Person-to-person, you are normally enjoyable, but whenever it comes to SC you are - and moreover act like - a spoiled brat, as far as I can tell because everyone won't go along with your way of playing.

Yeah, life sucks. But I'm glad no one cares.

But before I start shooting insults, I would check to see if those insults don't apply to me. As people become more pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded here, I will become more pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded towards them.
You reap what you sow.

As for what powers I have or don't have on the game, it really isn't my fault if I'm on a limbo.

"Rubber & Glue" is so elementary school...

There was a time, when I was a younger player, that I'll freely admit I acted in all of those ways. You might remember it as the time when Pink nuked the crap out of you (albeit using a bug, yes.) I'll also admit the face I present hasn't always been nice, even all the way up till present; however, I've never attempted to overtly impose my ideas about this game on others.

You however, are marked by this and another crusade in recent memory.

I've shared knowledge all the way up to specific non-public tactics on both war and economy with most who ask. Where Dave, Treasurer, and DGoE left off, I continue to share the knowledge when people ask me.

When people ask me how to fight, I give them the effective tactics that will win wars and how to do it, as long as I've seen someone else do it.

I even told KH what would make good garrisons (and what MY garrisons were), as well as how to roughly estimate attacker/defender losses based on the info in the war docs... not long before we fought, even though I knew it was going to happen. He didn't take my advice, btw. He should have; I would have lost more.

I'm temperamental, fickle, and prone to outbursts at stupidity - and I'll admit there are days when SC is the way I express my thwarted or subverted will to power. Nevertheless, I don't pretend that I'm better than anyone else, or above anyone in this game. Experience? Knowledge? Yes, but there is nothing that I have done that other people cannot do provided they are told how and are willing to take the time. They actually don't have to be told how, they just need to learn to read the numbers and then look at my countries.

I've defended you, been on your side, and even secretly held off attacks on you or redirected them before. Yet you persist in dictating how others play the game. You did it to Vicious, you did it to EO, now you are doing it to me.

I'm not the only player who feels this way even if I'm the only one who will voice it on the forum. And no, it's not simply newer players or my in-game allies.

I've watched you do your thing with the raiding and grabbing C3s the past month.

My philanthropy and character is not the issue: rather, it is your inability to accept anyone playing the game in any other way than what you see fit.

"But before I start shooting insults, I would check to see if those insults don't apply to me. As people become more pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded here, I will become more pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded towards them.
You reap what you sow. "

So where exactly do you get your claim that you are a "guardian" of the game and seem to claim moral superiority over the rest of us "selfish" players?

I never liked using the same pronoun for the the second person of the singular and for the plural. It confuses interpretation.

I can't be marked by anything, as I can't recall much from the past here or anywhere. I didn't even remembered I was nuked. This has nothing to do with past things, but with current things. Circumstances are judged at the light of their time, not before or after.

I'm not attacking you because... you are "temperamental, fickle, and prone to outbursts at stupidity" or because I'm '"dictating how others play the game". If you read my post, you'll see I'm attacking you for a matter of courtesy. You stayed to fight, and I'm honoring that request.

If did dictate my will unto others, you and some others would have been de facto banned from the game in April. However, I changed my mind, and gave you all a chance. Even more, if I did dictate my will, I would have banned many players while I still had all of my Moderator powers. Yet, I didn't.

Vicious was a pompous moron, who only cared about his simbucks and his butt. Had he not tried to extort Brince Falcon and mind his own business, I would have ignored him.

EO was ridding on a fad that was really damaging the game. Consequences seen today with less posters. It is curious to note, that the idiots that bitch about the lack of new players, are the same that drive them out. Sadistic pleasure must be involved.

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I too see "guardian", moral superiority and selfish people in "pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded". They shine like Christmas lights...

I don't need any of the above, to do what I do.

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I'm not the only player who feels this way even if I'm the only one who will voice it on the forum. And no, it's not simply newer players or my in-game allies.<!-/Quote-!>

That's funny. It's the same with me. I speak for those who don't in fear, new and old. The difference between you and I, is that listen to everyone and I don't care which faces I'm listening to.

Lets think about that last paragraph... People don't speak against me, because they know they won't get a away with it. I've been aware of this for some years now.

The people I speak for, don't speak openly (or at all on the forum) because they wouldn't "get away with it" for what they think or say.

As such, does this make sense now:

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But before I start shooting insults, I would check to see if those insults don't apply to me. As people become more pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded here, I will become more pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded towards them.
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People message me because they know I'm the only person here who speaks freely and his even-handed.


If people were to play nicely, I would have already finished what begun with my modship, and I would be back waging war has I did, in a manner that didn't damage the game. Before that time, this game, as it is, cannot afford to lose players.

Try to understand why I don't wage war nowhere frequently. The design of the game is self-destructive. As I don't wish kill it, I refrain from pushing the wrong buttons. From my point of view, it only makes sense.

I only stayed because there was nothing else to do with cashout disabled. Don't think I stayed for you.

1. And anyone who fears in a game needs to stop playing because they're taking it too serious.

2. To think I'm a guardian of anything but my own interests is absurd

3. I haven't driven a new player off in ages. What drives players off is them being told the game is one thing, simply because they're not on FB. All players need to be educated on the different aspects of the game - even if you don't want to learn how to wage full scale war, you should know how to mount a decent defense. If you don't want to do that, play SimCity, not Simcountry. Or play an enterprise. Or play as a secure mode only. Or play all in WP.

This feeds back into point one: if there are power-wielding warmongers that other players fear, then those players should assert themselves and become strong themselves. Despite what we say, LDI doesn't just randomly kill new players or anyone that passes a certain "level." You should know better than anyone not to believe people's propaganda.

But instead, the player community has been spoonfed BS and the majority of them can't wipe their own butts when it comes to defense. You, Laguna, perpetuate this problem. W3C makes it worse by offering a sub-par product so that we DON'T get influxes of new players with enough volume to make people want to test out different ways of doing things or exploring the game more thoroughly.

But, may I submit as evidence that it's perfectly ok for people to become powerful, talented player: EO and fed. Oh, and don't think I didn't have plans to attack them. I had many plans drawn up at different times, and EO knows this. But the game is better with them around. SNA would have been great if its leadership didn't fall apart and the fed crumble into inactives, because SNA was actually on the way to training its members. Valde/TF was and always had been week, with the only player besides yourself with any war experience being Dub. How are Valde's numbers looking these days, btw?

I'm through with this, though. The sheer absurdity of people in this game can be boggling. No one "fears" another person when it's a group of people sitting around a RISK board. I suggest that anyone living in fear of another player try growing up instead.

You are a symptom of a much larger problem, Laguna; however, apparently a major symptom. It would be my pleasure to amputate if you ever really to want to "honor" my *desire* to fight and throw it all on the line. I requested nothing, however.


Edit: Huh. That does actually make sense. I'll think about that.

edit2: I don't ninja-edit except for typoes, so I'm leaving everything I wrote before reading Laguna's second post.

Okay, lets consider this hypothetical "playing nicely."

Can you define what you mean by that?

Please Laguna, do not try to claim that you understand my motives, and that I was "riding a fad." My point in messaging you back then was you were clearly being hypocritical. I have always considered the war part of the game most fun, and you didn't seem to mind my raiding for 6 months until you needed someone to make an example out of.

Note: I also do not attack "New Players." I have my own motivations that may not be up to your "high standards," but when you have infinite resources in real life and in game, game cash, and population, its easy to call other players out for raiding.

Finally:
I firmly believe SNA was much better for the game than Valde ever was during my time on LU. SNA ACTIVELY recruited new members regardless of skill level and taught many basics of the game. There have been no other federations who have maintained so many new players and taught so many the essentials of the game. I can safely say this because for a while, over half the players in the "president's stats," and over half of the top 20 ranked players 'score-wise' were in SNA. I do not claim that it was a strong federation or that there were not other good federations.

I am just tired of you thinking no one but yourself works at keeping this game alive, and you using the people YOU disagree with as scapegoats for your claims, whether your claims are true or not.

If you want to get more new players to stay, why don't you actually help teach a couple?

Lol, I gave a new player a 67mil country with 15T cash and 50T mil assets for 50 coins in the past week.

edit: and don't forget whose fed Stu was in... who drove all sorts of players out of NLUO who weren't involved with Hezzy other than that, or didn't know better. That whole affair really bothered me, to the point of setting up a puppet to even the scales in the Hezzy persecution. Alas, Stu quit shortly thereafter. And the GMs knew about my puppet, and were fine with it for that purpose.

LDI stands with wild. lg your and your feds time has come to an end!


LDI Minister of Peace

jason

One thing is how things should be, another is how they are.

In here, in Simcountry, because it has become an amalgam of semi-thoughts, processes and systems on a very old and outdate framework, not all things not work as they should. Among those things lies the web of consequences of... well, playing, which is somewhat expected, as W3C tends to overlook it.


As result, yes, some people are afraid to speak, because, as they say, "the game is stuffed with morons and I've paid real money". Little hope in mind to mount an offensive on a "game stuffed with morons" and stay in one likewise.

In RISK, you can play with who you want and for free. At any time, you can leave and lose nothing. However, here, you can't leave as simply as that. Look at your very own case, Wildeyes, you stayed to cash out. It is only normal that players would want to do the same at a time of their own choosing. Also there are players who paid to play, who are, shortly after, attacked and lose most of their assets. To play again or regain the money and time lost, they'll have to pay yet again, which I don't find surprising they refuse to do so.

If you ask for more new players, then treat them nicely. You can't just throw the blame at the game or at the other player, wash your hands and leave it at that.

So:

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But instead, the player community has been spoonfed BS and the majority of them can't wipe their own butts when it comes to defense. You, Laguna, perpetuate this problem.<!-/Quote-!>

Oh? It's only up to me to teach everyone how to play the game again? I see I won't be able to live my real life. Maybe, if I take those pills again...

It's kinda funny how people expect certain things from me, accuse me of not accomplishing them, and when I do accomplish them, the same people say I'm "pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded". It's a beautiful work of confounded logic.


You know, Wildeyes, it wouldn't have killed you to write a message saying you didn't want to war me in July. Although, I didn't exactly say I would be waiting for July, you do know I make question of keeping my compromisses.

If you don't want to war me now, I'm fine by that. However, I doubt you'll refrain from nuking players like Princess Akasha in the future.


Ares, you are a new player.

You simply have no idea the scores of players I've helped long before you joined. There is no question I've helped more players than anyone else to date. Do you think the Gamemaster just looked at me and thought "Seems like we have a girl on the bunch! Reel her in!"? The two persons that come close on the same amount of players I've helped, at a personal level, are Calloe Wolf and Matt C. Honorable mention to John Fire and TattoedPriest for the websites.

Even today, for as little as I post, I only see me and Jonni answering most of the question on the board. And I still help several playes in-game. Not to mention the regular contacts I have with former players.

So, that comment, along with your post is just an altar to ignorance.

In six months, you only raided inactive players. Any partcular reason for choosing an active player at that spefic time. I still have the messages you sent me. You want me to post them?


You really have no idea how new to the game you are, don't you?

Valde was already well estabelished when SNA was created. And before we were estabelished, I helped more players than there we in SNA. For Valde to keep on growing, would be suicide, like SNA came to know. There are unvoidable, invinsable limits to size, for as much many would wish to believe otherwise.


I just can't be here forever and dedicate life to this game like you people do.

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Lol, I gave a new player a 67mil country with 15T cash and 50T mil assets for 50 coins in the past week.<!-/Quote-!>

If only I had a precise number of the amount of good countries I've sold for 50GCs to new players...

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My time ended two years ago. Summer of 2007. Shortly after that I've been working with SC's staff on several matters. If you are referring to this time, it is not up to you to decide when it ends. Refrain from making stupid comments, specially when you can't back them up.

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Lol? You do know I only pay for membership and nothing else, don't you?

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Okay, lets consider this hypothetical "playing nicely."
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Too tired to answer that now. Will leave it for later. But basically, it is a matter of compensating the poor design of the game.

What a drag..

Ahh, fuck. I think lg might be right.

Just wanted to post that publicly before I went to IRC.

I'll clarify later...

About Akasha: I didn't mean to take her country. I accidentally hit the button out of habit. I reached out afterward... in my own way... and she didn't exactly make me feel sorry for my mistake.

Akasha? meh blow her she bid she died.

First, let me point upwards to when you said "Circumstances are judged at the light of their time, not before or after. "

I do not care how many players you helped before I found simcountry, and it doesn't affect new players now that you are still friends with people like Leen and Xavi. Congratulations Laguna, most of the players you've helped are gone and have NO impact on the game any more.

I do not question your impact on the game, as you are CLEARLY one of the greatest players to play this game. The issue I have with what you are saying has nothing to do with your capabilities.

I know TattooedPriest and John Fire, and consider myself friends with both (and Priest the reason why I decided to pay for simcountry). What they were that you are not is approachable. Its great that you tell someone how to airdrop a unit from time to time, but the reason most people stay in the game long-term is the contacts they meet.

In my 6 months of raiding before our war, I did raid many inactives, but Chuck Steak was not anywhere near the first active I raided. He was just the first to make a big deal out of it on the forum. The entire reason 3m ever attacked me (and I asked you to help me with them) was because I was infringing on their raiding grounds and moving quickly.

I do not pretend to believe SNA had a chance of lasting given its size, but the idea behind SNA is much better than Valde's "we're veterans, we get our way, what we say goes, everyone needs to listen to us" approach. Valde, apart from Martock, does not reach out to new players and did not do so in the last year (since I started playing) in a manner that comes close to what SNA did.

Finally, I am tired of your pretending that you have never been wrong, could never be wrong, and that because I'm "a new player" that my opinion could not possibly have any truth in it. I have played this game long enough to know who is who, and during that time, you have been far from the most helpful player. If you wish to bring my personal life to the forums, by all means, do so. It does not change anything that I have said here.

I'll be patient and explain.


In July or June of 2007, I ceased to play. Still logged in, talked with people, but I reduced my participation and I hardly ever since did maintenance on my account. The only thing in my interest since then was my job has a moderator, a plan to fix Simcountry and later on the war engine when it was introduced.

From that moment on, you will do best to assume I quite simply ceased to be a player. My time from there on, was passed. Plus, to be a moderator I had to maintain a certain distance from every player to avoid bias.

You were attacked after my entire account went into War Protection in the beginning of February. Understand that it went into WP, because I have a busy life out of here, and for some months on, it takes a real lot out of me to war here. Also, I only read your message three days after you sent it. Had you sent to my account, instead of my country, I would have read it before. I noticed Bobo and others were already helping you, so I went after some people that were in 3M but didn't had the tag saying so. You people still needed my help to beat them off? Weren't there enough players already?

Don't compare your situation to Chuck Steaks. You were on FB to raid inactives. Chuck played on LU for a long time and he was happy as he was. Had he not found support in the game, he would most likely have left.

You only judge what you know, but you obviously don't know everything. I, and other players in Valde, help players in-game. Curiously enough, Valde is the only fed in the game that does not help players and at the same time aliciantes them to join the fed. The players can decide on their own without pressure from our side.


I don't recall every emitting a document stating Laguna Infalability. I've some made mistakes, and with time came to regret some, and others not so much. I don't see how that weaves with this topic however.

You emit judgments as if you knew me, but you started playing after *I* left.

Point stands: I've been the most helpful player for the game. Maybe not to you, but you already had the help of the players in SNA. Helping you when you were already being helped, with other new players unattended seems like a waste of resources. The same applies for others who I knew were already being helped.


Who brought real life into this?

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Laguna, I was one of the two players who ran SNA.

I am not comparing my situation to Chucks whatsoever, I just am stating that it was the first time you noticed that I raided players.

I am not complaining that you didn't help me against 3ms. I again was just pointing out that others obviously noticed my raiding far before you did.

If you do not "play" this game any more. Perhaps you could try to help it by working for the sc staff instead of trying to "move to wipe out" players.

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Again, I do not care what you did before I started playing, just as players who are new today do not care. Your impact on the game is large, your influence on whether people stay any more is virtually non-existant. I am glad you say Valde helps players, but the truth is, Valde is you, Martock, and Michael that are anywhere near active and long-tenured players.

It is and was quite clear that SNA was a fed dedicated to recruiting (yes recruiting) and developing (and it did develop many) players, and our private forum had upwards of 30 posts a day in its prime. While its time may have passed, so too has your time as being "the most helpful" in game.

what this shows us all is that you and your fed can not be trusted to keep its word. my time is short atm, but know that you now face all of LDI. the the war will not end till you come to talk to me, LDI's Minister of Peace! have fun getting gang banged.

LDI Minister of Peace

jason

I must be hearing an echo.

Me: "My time from there on, was passed."
Echo: "While its time may have passed, so too has your time"

Me: "If people were to play nicely, I would have already finished what begun with my modship"
Echo: "working for the sc staff"

Wipping out the right players and helping the game, at the moment, are synonyms. Otherwise, I wouldn't be doing this.


Jason, rest assured, that you will be gone from the game one way or another, and there was nothing you could do to avoid it.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, this isn't "Laguna & and his fed". This is just Laguna and whoever wishes to join.