World War On White Giant (White Giant)

War has been declared on WGC.

There was a time when simcountry had lots of wars, and
many players built reputations as warlords, politicians,
and loyal allies. However, these times appear to be disappearing,
and for those of us who like a good war, this is discouraging.

The Mob has never been a "peaceful" federation, but has
used restraint in an attempt to let players grow on its
homeworlds of Fearless Blue and Little Upsilon.

No war of any substance has been fought this calendar
year. No players appear to care about their security
other than fending off wendy's periodic noob raids. This
is truly not the spirit of a healthy game, or a fun one.

This said, the Mob has decided to try to gain a foothold
on White Giant and secure its place as the greatest military
power on that planet. WGC is currently the largest
federation in simcountry, and has vast resources, militaries,
and experience. This federation has ruled White Giant for
many real life years, and it is time that they earn the
right to rule. They are a model federation, and the
Mob has great respect for them, and this war is not
being waged for any personal reasons.

War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it
feels that it has neutralized all military threats that
WGC has to offer. This said, new players and economic
players are not our primary targets, and will be
left alone unless they decide to interfere with the war.

Only when we feel that someone has accomplished something
militarly (either ourselves or WGC) will we be willing
to negotiate. When that time comes, WGC can contact me
to set up a time, place, or terms.

Regards,
EO

I disagree with only one thing you have said, EO:

"War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it feels that it has neutralized all military threats that WGC has to offer."

WGC offers no military threat to any player who does not threaten WGC. We were and are happy to live in peaceful co-existence with any player wishing to do the same.

If and when you are ready to negotiate, please contact me at Hanky Panky Hippy Land.

Hugs and respect

Jo

"WGC is currently the largest federation in simcountry, and has vast resources, militaries,
and experience."

Translation: WGC is the only federation on WG that has anything(assets) worth taking.

"War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it feels that it has neutralized all military threats that WGC has to offer."

Translation: War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it feels that it has taken all the assets of value that WGC has to offer.

"No players appear to care about their security
other than fending off wendy's periodic noob raids."

Translation: WGC has an immense number of poorly defended countries that we can take easily with our gang method of attack. So we will take them.

Yet another asset raid lol.


When will you wake up, I have been warning many of you this is what simcountry has deteriorated to. Unprovoked attacks fueled by nothing but greed.

To the weak federations of simcountry not really military oriented, you are threatened by a small band of pirates. This will be the second clear example of such behavior.

Its funny that the weak feds or isolated empires are targets of 'good wars' while federations capable of giving a good war are 'friends' (i.e. 3ms on FB). This group of players "those of us who like a good war" (BS) constantly avoid a good war not based on assets to be taken and thrive on targeting the people who build assets of value in the game.

This targeted and continued aggression is the single handed cause of the deterioration of the game. When players assets are threatened, they tire of playing remembering how long it took to build such empires. This group of pirates are a shite stain on this community, while proclaiming what is and is not in the spirit of the game.


They won't attack the weaker players or newer players, becuase they have not much worth taking. They would rather have you build with the false confidence that they are not after you, until you build enough for them to take.

This is the same group of players that are pushing for war protection to be removed for economic players. The reason being they don't want new players intimidated by the power of their neighbors, to be able to build peacefully without the threat of being raided for their assets.

Ive repeatedly said that time is the one factor people never factor into the things they do on this game. The assets are nothing in the grande scheme of things compared to time. If you played this game for a year or more, and someone comes along and steals what has been worked on for that time frame what motivation would you have to continue laying a game where you will be constantly under threat of restarting?

This kind of aggression is exactly what makes people want to quit, yet they accuse me of making people quit while not backing up any of those statements. I countered with clear examples of people that contribute very well to the game, and have since left becuase they have had hard work destroyed becuase of the greed of a very select organized group of players that wish to do nothing but take in a few hours, things that you have worked on for months or more.

Comparing what they do, to my 'noob raids' is not even a contest. It is a poor conceptualization of right and wrong. I do what I do 90% of the time becuase I was provoked by direct attack on the forums or becuase an attack on my fedmates by a dminating force. There is no comparison. What they do is watch and prey on assets and hard work that they themselves don't appreciate or value. You can never compare me taking a few inactive countries to this kind of belligerence.

The whole lot of you makes me sick. It will only be a time before you are dealt with on an observatory level.

One person will not defeat this kind of arrogance. While there were more than 20 people that tried to boycott me on LU while I was not warring with anyone except a light skirmish with?!?!, you guessed it, yet another asshat who apparently took a guys entire empire for apparently no reason. I was going for HOF on LU and the mob hostile bid more than 150 corps in an attempt to sabotage my level and reduce my score so I wouldn't get first place. Is this what is in the spirit of the game?

LDI was asked to disband or leave the game I believe for continued hostile aggression against weaker players. But they should have never been asked to leave. If you put these two side by side, the mob and LDI, one looks like a saint, and the other like pirates. LDI had substance. For the most part they fought players who had attitude and were willing to fight with them. They rarely attacked feds or inexperienced players without justification or a little forum banter precipitating such action. These mob just calculates poor defenses and a decent amount of assets = rape. Is this the spirit of the game?

Members of the mob have spammed the boards with post after post crying for the gms to ban me, while wiping out people from the game themselves. There is no comparison in what I do and what they do. I unite federations and groups of people to fight me. I hardly ever take a fight knowing that I will roll over or whoop an entire fed. It just never happens that way. These guys look to take out military rich countries from people and players who have spent time building and have little experience in using them. An easy kill' so to speak.

This is what the game has deteriorated to. This is negative game progression and the mob and their constant prowling for assets under the poor excuse of 'a good war' is exactly what has threatened the game for quite some time. Not me and my c3 wars or defense of my federation members. I think the track record of this federation is deplorable and despicable and should be addressed by the gamemasters in our upcoming Jozi chat. Their calls for limited or reduced wp should be discarded as well as their calls for the limitation of the use of c3s becuase the number of deterrents available is diminishing. Players should be able to use wp and any available means to defend what is theirs and what others wish to take. While what they are doing is within the rules, I know they cannot possibly wish for these or any other changes to further reduce the capabilities of those willing to fight and stand against such aggression.

It is about time the mob has been called for what they really are, a bunch of lowlife thieves.

(EDIT: I only offer this sidebar becuase I was mentioned in this Bshite speech)

As I said, we are not attacking any econ or new players (as evidenced by our war declarations).

WGC is the strongest federation in simcountry - hardly a raid.

Wars used to be common.

We have not fought a war in a year (since last summer).

If W3C didn't want wars, they wouldn't make half the products in the game war based.

If we wanted to raid assets, we would, and we could. We do not. We have only fought one group of players in the last year - and they responded by attacking us back. We do not pick on the weak.

We enjoy fighting and the challenge of war. This is the best opportunity to enjoy what simcountry has to offer.

Enjoy watching from the sidelines Wendy.

Wendy, everyone is missing the point.

THIS IS A GAME. War is supposed to be FUN!

It used to be!!!! Ive played since 2001....IT WAS ONCE VERY FUN to fight world wars and many players participated.

Now days, however, the gamemasters continually restrict assets in the game, mainly population, and make you have to PAY in order to get higher levels, then restrict how much you can transfer, so that it takes you an eternity to transfer merge one population with another.

ITS THE GAME MASTERS FAULT.

War Protection was never needed before, because everyone played as a game, and pirates were fought off because everyone (most players) at the time warred to defend their countries. Why? Assets were easier to come by. Its a monetary scheme by W3 to increase how much players pay. Players now pay to increase the value of their states, then pay continually to protect it.

Now its like we are in a bank playing with money. Everyone b!tches about their money being taken. Its W3s fault.

I will make a game to rival simcountry, and give the players what they want, while at the same time keeping a sense of balance and realism, with far more "common sense" features available for players than this damned game. It will actually feel like a community there, and war wont be a "I hate this game never playing again because I just got my shit stolen" deal.

Mark my words W3.

As for the wars...Woosah!

SCWN is happy for now!

well, back to the issue at hand

in the immortal words of Ben Grimm

"ITS CLOBBER'N TIME!!!"

Jo - I know this isn't ideal for you or WGC, but it will be fun, WGC is a great fed and this isn't about destroying WGC or fighting until death. We will fight a traditional fed war, if we are defeated we won't turn to c3 warfare, we will admit our defeat and hang our heads. If we win, we will not go hunting down the smaller and newer members of your fed, we will agree to a reasonable peace and depending on the conditions some or many of your countries will be returned.

I happen to really like both you and Kaymen, think you're great players and I'm guessing I would think the same about the rest of WGC if I had some time to talk about them. So, just as EO said, there is nothing personal here, we just think it's time for a war and a very challenging one at that.

Windy - This is none of your business, if we can't declare war on the LARGEST federation in SC and ONLY dec their LARGEST/BEST members without you calling it an asset raid...well then...you're dumb. You are the one who decs the WEAKEST members of feds...including WGC...YOU ARE THE ASSET RAIDER.

We are a group of players who love the war game and have shown over and over that we are willing to fight the best players and feds out there. We are friends with 3M, doesn't mean there wouldn't be a war with them, we have tried to work that out but timing and rules has been an issue...it'll happen eventually...once the WP rules have been corrected and the time is right.

Your spin is getting way out of control, basically in your mind there is *ONE* fed out there who we should be allowed to fight...even though there are many who are much larger than we are...with Abe leaving the game we are 5 players...not a group of 50 who just run around trouncing everyone. Stop with the BS and just shut up for once. Unlike you we don't fight just for assets, we fight for fun, this isn't about assets...we've got plenty.

EDIT: Also, really excited that Windy is in new empire protection for the next 2 weeks...warm that bench Windy...and no matter what happens with WGC, we will dec you wherever you are and whoever you dec on once your waiting period is up...Mob members and allies...WGC members and allies...anyone.

"Wendy, everyone is missing the point.

THIS IS A GAME. War is supposed to be FUN!"

You have reiterated my point exactly dubletar.

Big chips war was not fun. DTA dd not find it fun to come back after a weekend to only mains. Alarich didn't find getting his empire gang banged by a bigmouth and two of the most experienced war players on the game fun either.

Wars like this are meant for FB. Not a social-political fed like WGC. They may be up to the task but an unprovoked declaration on the grounds that they have persevered is BS.

And yes EO, I have never sized up a federation with another group of players based on what I could gain as the sole justification. I will enjoy watching from the sidelines.

Stop blaming the gamemasters for everything you can't fix dubletar. The game is what it is. I get that you want to make a game and all, but saying you will make a game to rival it openly on the boards in hopes of drawing away my customer base would be justification for a ban from the forums. At least until your attitude adjusts. If you don't like this game that much just quit and enjoy whatever game you make. If it truly rivals sim, you will be dealing with real assholes like yourself who can't be pleased at every moment. I don't think you should be promoting competition on the Sim Forums period. To your benefit I am not the moderator, nor the game master. Had I bought in like I planned to do so last year, you'd be gone, and rightfully so. If you aren't here to enjoy the game and only suck up the customers that do happily enjoy the game you have no business here. On many servers and sites such actions are not tolerated. I don't see why yours should be.

WB you never fought a fight on your own dime against a player you 'thought' could defeat you, we have visited this point many many times over and still the story remains the same. You fight those you think you could gain something from, and that is it. You fought once while handicapped on FB, but you were grandfathered an empire and a very good teacher to show you how to use it. However since then, you have never fought a fight you thought you could lose. Don't tell me you decd WGC because you think you would lose. No, the result will end up with many of WGC countries being taken and after you all have had your fill, some, if not many will be returned to them. In the end though, it is an asset raid. Say I take 1000gc worth of stuff, and offer you back 500, I guess I keep 500 and you should think I am some great sport. Nah, if you wanted a good fight, you would challenge a reputable opponent to a fair fight and return whatever is lost. That is a 'good' war.

I attack weaker members of feds, THAT ATTACKED ME OR MY FED FIRST! while seriously outmatched and outnumbered.

You get together with a group of players, size up a fed for assets, and attack them while they don't suspect an attack coming.

There is hardly a comparison.

You are an asset raider Windy...just admit it. Your wars are about assets...sure you lob a few nukes at the good players, but mostly you take inactives or poorly defended countries of new players...that's what your fights are about. You attacked my fed without them teaming up on YOU OR YOUR FED FIRST! You attacked my fed because *I* attacked Biggie, who had taunted me for over a year about how he could beat me down and was so much better than me...did I think I would win...of course...but he didn't think I could, so I showed him.

Stop pretending it's about assets...it's not...we've got plenty...you're just upset that other players have the balls to challenge others while not hiding in WP like a sissy. If it were about assets...there are plenty of players out there who we could get them from without the trouble and defense that WGC can put up. BEST members of the LARGEST fed in SC...I REPEAT...BEST MEMBERS OF THE LARGEST FED IN SC...that's who we're attacking and you still want to call it a raid...so disrespectful.

So wars like this are meant for FB and not social-political feds like WGC??? So what is meant for them? Weeks of c3 warfare where you just launch nukes? Because that is what you just did...now you're determining what kind of warfare certain feds should receive? No fed would prefer your BS to a true fed war, losing sucks...but winning is fun...your c3 BS creates no opportunity for winning because you are too much of coward to put any assets on the line and the only losing there is with you is losing time. And unprovoked war? Really, just because we didn't make up some BS excuse like you do for all of your wars? Speaking of which...what exactly was your excuse for starting your war with WGC? I'm sure there was one...but we all know the real reason...YOU'RE AN ASSET RAIDER. Wars don't always need justification...or at least one that pleases the voices in your tiny little mind...the justification is this: This is a game, war is an integral part of the fun of this game and we want to have a war. Because war is most fun when it is challenging, we chose the largest fed in SC and selected only their biggest and best members to fight instead of going the coward route like you do and choosing the worst/newest members with the most assets.

Once again, there are FIVE of us, but we're not allowed to fight ANY FED except for 3M? Really?

I never fought a fight on my own dime...give me a break...I lost my entire empire to 3M twice...and not because they decd me...I decd them and this was before I had a clue how to play this game without blowing through purchased GC so that was literally REAL 'DIME'. 5 or 6 60-70 mil countries...and guess why I decd? I THOUGHT I COULD WIN!!! Yes, I thought I could win and I lost. I think we can win this fight...I think that's the reason anyone goes into a fight...no one goes in thinking: I think I'll lose but I'll do this anyway. I think we can win, but we may lose. Either way=FUN...try it sometime instead of being an incessant irritating, know-nothing, cowardly, worthless and insignificant idiot.

Windy this has nothing to do with you so stop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9xZPzw0VSY and be a good (quiet) lil girl!

Wendy I wouldnt mind if i were banned. And actually there was discussion just yesterday(?) in chat about me selling my states, not that Im set on doing that. Indeed my pleasure in the game has diminished greatly. Simcountry is not the game it used to be, and is declining in my honest opinion, has been declining for some time.

W3 makes up for their declining popularity with the choke holds trying gain even more money from players who play for enjoyment. They have created and monopolized on a type of game with an attitude that would not be tolerated by players of other games.

As far as you buying into the game, do it, otherwise, STFU dry cunt.

Look at other games who are far more user friendly. Simply, the game "Cybernations". Their depth is no where near SC's but they foster an enviornment that is player friendly, instead of game master friendly. They respect the players that play the game...

What is their result? 480k players.
Even if they decided to make the game payable, $10.00 a year, theyd be making millions.

Again, STFU dry cunt. If your utility company choked more and more money out of you and added things you never wanted that doesnt add value, while ignoring the customer's demands, you'd drop it in a heart beat, or flame the company if its a monopoly. so STFU dry cunt.

Simcountry could easily change my opinion, or any player's opinion, if they would actually show some sense of care for the game. They used to, but I have no idea what happened. I think they began to focus more on how to squeeze every dime out of the game rather than keep their players happy, who would be willing to continue to pay them cash continually.

And that makes alot of sense, dry cunt, ban the customers who complain and desire competition to cause the failing of a badly managed enterprise. If the United States markets followed your logic, this country would be screwed. And by the way, your "take it and stfu" attitude is something they already have. You'd only be adding to it. Now, take that and stfu.

ok, well, this war isn't about wendy, so...

lets talk, MOAR WOAR!!!

I agree, lets ignore the insignificant. Maybe, if you ignore it, it will go away!

ignore what?

What makes people quit SimCountry? The single biggest culprit is boredom IMO.

Got me once. Almost twice. Maybe even three times, depending on how we're counting >_>

This should be interesting...

This kind of aggression is exactly what makes people want to quit, yet they accuse me of making people quit while not backing up any of those statements. I countered with clear examples of people that contribute very well to the game, and have since left becuase they have had hard work destroyed becuase of the greed of a very select organized group of players that wish to do nothing but take in a few hours, things that you have worked on for months or more.

The reason I attacked you and your fed wb is because your fed attacked or its allies attacked Khan, who has since left, and then Biggie, and then Alarich as well. So thank you for confirming that I go to war because of aggression of my friends. Not to asset raid. And you all clearly demonstrate how it would only have been a matter of time before you attacked anyone with any assets. You have done so repeatedly and this is no different.

Stop blaming the gamemasters for everything you can't fix dubletar. The game is what it is. I get that you want to make a game and all, but saying you will make a game to rival it openly on the boards in hopes of drawing away my customer base would be justification for a ban from the forums. At least until your attitude adjusts. If you don't like this game that much just quit and enjoy whatever game you make. If it truly rivals sim, you will be dealing with real assholes like yourself who can't be pleased at every moment. I don't think you should be promoting competition on the Sim Forums period. To your benefit I am not the moderator, nor the game master. Had I bought in like I planned to do so last year, you'd be gone, and rightfully so. If you aren't here to enjoy the game and only suck up the customers that do happily enjoy the game you have no business here. On many servers and sites such actions are not tolerated. I don't see why yours should be.

@Orbiter you are right, this isn't about me, but EO of course couldn't help but make mention of me.
So who needs to know what is or isn't about me? I get why YOU would attack WGC, I really get it, but to have included a bunch of asset raiders is a step down for you. In my book at least. Not that it matters much. But including them in your vendetta against WGC kinda throws a blemish on it.

EO is right, for HIM there is no personal reason for war it has always been about a gold coin. All anyone would have to do is scroll through some forum posts where he openly says this is how he plays and pays for this game. On another player's hard work. But for you it is all personal. Remember that conversation we had when you first returned. My memory isn't short I surprised you would enlist the help of this group of idiots to achieve some get back.

I hope you get the message.

If aggression is what makes people quit, and you don't want people to quit, why do you attack only noobs wendy?

Hmmm, curious, lets name people I have attacked, and people I haven't.

Let us examine who is a n00b and who isn't.

Take your time before you put your foot in your mouth.

I remember when wendy attacked akasha in our fed,and took her countries that was out of our fed. Just because she was the weakest link. The whole war started because i bought a country from another player (BC) who she said had nothing to take. And i have that convo saved somewhere. so she she thought she would take it out on our Fed, Freenations. That didnt work... so she targeted other feds to GET HER MONEY, was i believe her own words. From a country that was took from another player. Sold to a different player. Then she went from that to a complete other fed. Mind you two other feds TO GET HER MONEY. That had no defense and was the weakest players in those feds to GET HER MONEY.

Let's name people you've taken a country from and people you haven't...just launching a few nukes from c3's at those of us who could easily destroy you doesn't make you a bad ass. Your goal is clear, pot shots at the big boys/girls and take from the little ones.

I don't even know who Khan is, you weren't even friends with Alarich and Biggie got what he asked for in a one on one fight...taunt someone for a year about how you could beat them down while hiding in wp...step outside of WP and they show you how wrong you were. You'll learn that soon enough too...wp always slips eventually.

I'm sorry that you consider us so good that we shouldn't even be allowed to attack any fed except for 3M. (Although you constantly try to say that I suck and Keto, Serpent and EC are so stupid that they can't do nuke D, quite contradictory, are we complete dominators or horrible players? Hmmm) Anyway, this is what happens when everyone hides in wp and fights with c3's, those who have the courage to come out and fight a good clean fight learn something, the rest stagnate and create worlds where it is easy for 5 players to have a fed that completely dominates the world...sad really. No risk, no reward...I know you've heard it before but it's worth repeating.

Lolo and EO are right about why people leave. They leave #1 due to boredom...build a country, build an army, become afraid to lose that country/army, hide in war protection, transfer workers, transfer workers, transfer workers, transfer workers...on and on forever. That's boring. And #2 they leave because people like you incessantly drown out those who are trying to help the game become more popular and who will waste other people's time for weeks and months on end for your own amusement and asset raids while the other people have nothing to win for their time and effort. It's a horrible system and hopefully one that will be fixed soon enough.

Yeah, I still want my money, Budman, LOLs

Lets not forget I did dec you as well budman. But yeah once things get out of control, I generally don't discriminate.

Okay, so lets say Akasha,

any others to add to the list?

Taken from another post:
Sam Houston
Jason
WildEyes
Barney
Treasurer
SteelKnife
Zeba
Dizzy
Budman
Keto
Serpent
Aqua Rainbow
Ameche
Crabs
Jo Salkilled
Steven Ryan
David Walker
Beo
General Dirt
Laguna (sorry Big guy)
EO
and darn so many more"

Expanded for today's seminar
Bobo
IndustMech
DoctorMista
Scarlet
Stuart
OKstateguy

I'll edit when more come to mind
That is a long list of inexperienced weak players.

or according to EO, "n00bs"

when you come up with a list as long as that let me know.

No answer EO? I didn't think so.

Thank you for contributing to today's demonstration.

Like I said Windy...list who you have TAKEN a country from...like for budman's example it would look like this:

Decd:
budman
slade
Akasha

Taken from:
Akasha

Two completely different lists...any nub can press the declare war button just like any nub can press the launch nuke button...it's meaningless. Your real targets are the weakest members of the fed because you want to TAKE from them because you are an ASSET RAIDER.