World War On White Giant (White Giant)

Ok Whitegurl

You get an award....

An extra block of Cheese for MinniMouse

Way to deflect.
I'll try to stay on topic.

"WGC is currently the largest federation in simcountry, and has vast resources, militaries,
and experience."

Translation: WGC is the only federation on WG that has anything(assets) worth taking.

"War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it feels that it has neutralized all military threats that WGC has to offer."

Translation: War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it feels that it has taken all the assets of value that WGC has to offer.

"No players appear to care about their security
other than fending off wendy's periodic noob raids."

Translation: WGC has an immense number of poorly defended countries that we can take easily with our gang method of attack. So we will take them.

Yet another asset raid lol.


When will you wake up, I have been warning many of you this is what simcountry has deteriorated to. Unprovoked attacks fueled by nothing but greed.

To the weak federations of simcountry not really military oriented, you are threatened by a small band of pirates. This will be the second clear example of such behavior.

Its funny that the weak feds or isolated empires are targets of 'good wars' while federations capable of giving a good war are 'friends' (i.e. 3ms on FB). This group of players "those of us who like a good war" (BS) constantly avoid a good war not based on assets to be taken and thrive on targeting the people who build assets of value in the game.

This targeted and continued aggression is the single handed cause of the deterioration of the game. When players assets are threatened, they tire of playing remembering how long it took to build such empires. This group of pirates are a shite stain on this community, while proclaiming what is and is not in the spirit of the game.


They won't attack the weaker players or newer players, becuase they have not much worth taking. They would rather have you build with the false confidence that they are not after you, until you build enough for them to take.

This is the same group of players that are pushing for war protection to be removed for economic players. The reason being they don't want new players intimidated by the power of their neighbors, to be able to build peacefully without the threat of being raided for their assets.

Ive repeatedly said that time is the one factor people never factor into the things they do on this game. The assets are nothing in the grande scheme of things compared to time. If you played this game for a year or more, and someone comes along and steals what has been worked on for that time frame what motivation would you have to continue laying a game where you will be constantly under threat of restarting?

This kind of aggression is exactly what makes people want to quit, yet they accuse me of making people quit while not backing up any of those statements. I countered with clear examples of people that contribute very well to the game, and have since left becuase they have had hard work destroyed becuase of the greed of a very select organized group of players that wish to do nothing but take in a few hours, things that you have worked on for months or more.

Comparing what they do, to my 'noob raids' is not even a contest. It is a poor conceptualization of right and wrong. I do what I do 90% of the time becuase I was provoked by direct attack on the forums or becuase an attack on my fedmates by a dminating force. There is no comparison. What they do is watch and prey on assets and hard work that they themselves don't appreciate or value. You can never compare me taking a few inactive countries to this kind of belligerence.

The whole lot of you makes me sick. It will only be a time before you are dealt with on an observatory level.

One person will not defeat this kind of arrogance. While there were more than 20 people that tried to boycott me on LU while I was not warring with anyone except a light skirmish with?!?!, you guessed it, yet another asshat who apparently took a guys entire empire for apparently no reason. I was going for HOF on LU and the mob hostile bid more than 150 corps in an attempt to sabotage my level and reduce my score so I wouldn't get first place. Is this what is in the spirit of the game?

LDI was asked to disband or leave the game I believe for continued hostile aggression against weaker players. But they should have never been asked to leave. If you put these two side by side, the mob and LDI, one looks like a saint, and the other like pirates. LDI had substance. For the most part they fought players who had attitude and were willing to fight with them. They rarely attacked feds or inexperienced players without justification or a little forum banter precipitating such action. These mob just calculates poor defenses and a decent amount of assets = rape. Is this the spirit of the game?

Members of the mob have spammed the boards with post after post crying for the gms to ban me, while wiping out people from the game themselves. There is no comparison in what I do and what they do. I unite federations and groups of people to fight me. I hardly ever take a fight knowing that I will roll over or whoop an entire fed. It just never happens that way. These guys look to take out military rich countries from people and players who have spent time building and have little experience in using them. An easy kill' so to speak.

This is what the game has deteriorated to. This is negative game progression and the mob and their constant prowling for assets under the poor excuse of 'a good war' is exactly what has threatened the game for quite some time. Not me and my c3 wars or defense of my federation members. I think the track record of this federation is deplorable and despicable and should be addressed by the gamemasters in our upcoming Jozi chat. Their calls for limited or reduced wp should be discarded as well as their calls for the limitation of the use of c3s becuase the number of deterrents available is diminishing. Players should be able to use wp and any available means to defend what is theirs and what others wish to take. While what they are doing is within the rules, I know they cannot possibly wish for these or any other changes to further reduce the capabilities of those willing to fight and stand against such aggression.

It is about time the mob has been called for what they really are, a bunch of lowlife thieves.

(EDIT: I only offer this sidebar becuase I was mentioned in this Bshite speech)

Lol not gunna read any wendy posts. I suggest everyone act similarly. No point arguing with someone who won't listen.



I didn't realize that war was banned in this game. Who ARE we "allowed by wendy" to fight? No one? Who cares? Nice.

Suggesting? You opened your mouth and sais I only attack n00bs, I figured you would like a shot at pulling your foot out of your mouth.

What I have argued here is based on fact, and supported by the historical and recent behaviors of your federation.

You and your croniez have only thrown insults and baseless claims based on the fact that you simply don't like me.

For the fortieth time in recent history you seem to have spoken yourself right into your own pile of BShite.

Thank you for adding very clear examples of how you are full of shite and how your crew operates.

"WGC offers no military threat to any player who does not threaten WGC. We were and are happy to live in peaceful co-existence with any player wishing to do the same. "

jo, i think the fact we dec'd on you, should make us a threat, and as such...

WB,GET THE FACTS RIGHT.I TOLD YOU I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEFEND DUE TO WORK WHEN YOU DEC. ON ME.AND YOU STARTED THE TAUNTS ON THE FORUM.YOU ALSO HIT ME ON LU WHERE AT THE TIME I WAS WEAKEST.YOU TALK CRAP ABOUT HOW TUFF YOU ARE ON THE FORUMS BUT MYSELF AND OTHERS I KNOW WHO HAVE DEC.ON YOU HAVE HEARD NOTHING BUY CRYING FROM YOU THROUGH IN GAME MESS.JUST LIKE WENDY HEARS IN THE FORUMS.IT SEEMS THE ONLY PROPER WARS ARE THE ONES YOU START.YOUR A RAIDER,BE PROUD OF WHAT YOU ARE BUT STOP BI&^%ING ABOUT THE WAY OTHERS FIGHT.ADMIT WHAT YOU ARE AND YOU MIGHT GET SOME RESPECT
BIGG E

Give me a break Biggie...you hide in WP constantly...I caught you when you slipped after you repeatedly told me that you 'were going to get me'...then you tell me...oh I can't fight I have to work...even though I know you were logged in and moving when war was live. I offered to move the war to FB if you'd come out of WP there, you refused, I offered to give you some time to set up if you'd bring the remainder of your countries out, you refused. I destroyed you, after that you decd on Keto on FB and I destroyed you again with no notice and help from Serpent who also had no notice and no countries in the area. You got what was coming to you, talked way too much sh*t for what you could do and paid the price.

Crying through in game msgs? Are you f*ckin kidding me? You were the one sending me in games to try to get me to not destroy you, and Windy hears nothing in forums from me but the truth. I've offered both of you one on one fights, if you come out of wp and take one of my countries before I take all of yours then I'll hand you my empire...but neither of you have any courage to step up to your talk. You are a bunch of sissy's who want to talk big and not be called out for it...and I'm the one that's crying...SURE BUDDY...'WB is an asset raider'...'WB is picking on smaller players'...'WB attacked me on the world I'm the weakest'...who is crying? All the BS you guys throw is exactly that, BS, you are stagnant, dried up and meaningless because you choose to play the game from war protection instead of taking a risk and stepping to the plate. You have not developed any skills nor the understanding of what kind of defense/garrisons/air d or offense to have because YOU'VE NEVER FOUGHT A REAL WAR...if that's crying then I'll cry a river. The fact is the few of us who have had the balls to fight straight up and the willingness to risk our assets have become the best warriors in this game...the rest of you have become meaningless sideline watchers. If you want to see what we could do if we were actually asset raiders then I'll show you because there is no one but the GM's to stop us. We can wipe out worlds...force everyone into WP, destroy the war game completely...keep up the BS and we'll do it out of spite.

Hopefully eventually someone will step up but at this point it really doesn't seem like it. The sh*tty thing is that wp has destroyed the war game and the fed system and ultimately made everyone more vulnerable but none of you will look at it from an objective perspective. It's a big circle and maybe just for you and Windy we'll show you just how bad it really could be if we really were the people you try to make us out to be...there will be no one to stop us because none of you who whine incessantly about us on the forums have the courage to join up and fight us off. Have your c3 warfare...we'll still be the most dominant fed in the game...you can't stop us with c3's, maybe slow us down a bit but ultimately just piss us off even more.

I'll admit what I am Biggie...I am one of the top 5 war players in this game right now...if anyone doesn't think so...bring it. I don't care about population, GC, assets, mil assets, etc...I have plenty...and if I get low there is more I can take that will be much easier than taking yours or Alarich's or WGC's...until you idiots get that it isn't about assets you'll never be able to stop us...it's about being the best...the best war players in this game right now and eventually ever. Unless someone steps up, at this pace we'll eventually have military dominance on every world...it's your choice...build a fed, grow some balls and stop us...or we do what we do.

Crying ^^^ Threats ^^^ more crying ^^^

/me Passes the kid some Cheese

KINDA SHOWED THE REAL YOU THERE WHITE BOY.I REST MY CASE.
BIGG E

My favorite line

"We can wipe out worlds...force everyone into WP, destroy the war game completely...keep up the BS and we'll do it out of spite." - White Boy

I like this side of you White Boy. Why not destroy worlds just because AND out of spite?

It's more fun that way Double

I'm just beginning to wonder what it's going to take for someone to step up, build a fed, learn the war engine and stop crying about everything we do. We aren't some massive conglomerate of players with all the experience and secrets...there are not 50 Mob members...not 40...not 30...not 20...not 10...BUT 5 MEMBERS...yes that is what you pretend is this ultra dominant fed that can't be stopped.

We're at the point where we can no longer declare war on anyone anymore without it being an 'asset raid'.

Me and EO vs. The FED - 2 players vs largest fed on LU at the time...Windy verdict: Asset raid

WB vs Biggie - one on one, two players who have disliked each other from the get go, Biggie said I was a nub and he'd kick my ass...Windy verdict: Asset raid

DTA vs The Mob (declared by DTA) - Windy verdict: Asset raid

EO vs The UC - one player vs the remainder of a fed...Windy verdict: Asset raid

The Mob & Friends vs. WGC - the best players of the largest fed in the game, total assets, pop, countries, military multiple times our size - Windy verdict: Asset raid

The real me Biggie? Have I ever said I was a peaceful guy? Have I ever intimated that I was an econ player? Had I not been clear about what I'd do to you when you came out of wp? Have I not expressed my clear interest in the war game? Is war not about winning? Isn't the goal of any game winning? Stop acting like this is some sort of shocking revelation.

You and Windy want to view me through the shade of your minds...YOU guys only care about assets, which is why you hide in WP...YOU guys want to pick on others but are not capable of doing so because you won't risk the assets to really learn the war engine...*I* want to play this game for what it is...A F*CKIN GAME...it's not your 401k that I ripped out from under you, it's not your home I'm 'stealing'...it's SIM (which by the way is short for SIMUF*CKINLATED) assets. I could care less about the assets...once again the sooner you all realize that the sooner you might actually be able to do something productive instead of CRYING in the forum about how WB and the Mob are such oppressive warlords. Stop your whining and step up or shut up. No risk no reward little ones...

Crying ^^^ Threats ^^^ more crying ^^^

the problem is the lack of war game, really

the war game is fun, and cool. but because people are generally encouraged to NOT play the war game, players get stuck into the econ roll. slowly building assets. so that when some one chooses to play the FULL VERSION, they are labeled a war monger, and asset raider.

and when those war mongers/assets raiders come around, these players that were encouraged to slowly build, and not fight, are at an automatic disadvantage, true. but really who's fault is that? not the players that are choosing to play the FULL VERSION of SC which they payed for.

however, if the war game was more widely embraced, this problem would eventually disappear. the game TRULY, would not only be more exciting, but also actually live up to the advertising, the intro, and the documentation. but it is the "forced peace," by the player base that actually makes the war game difficult.

honestly, it is really easy to build up a sizable military. *it really is* so the thought of loosing assets, really shouldn't be as great a concern as it is. but players aren't taught how to build up assets, they are taught NOT TO, for fear of it being taken. in fact, it often seems to me, many players are cringing in fear of actually enjoying the game. and creating a general attitude of fear of war, and war players.

it my personal opinion, that the longer this attitude continues in SC, the more the game will die.

Exactly Orbiter...well said.

As I said before...the current cycle is:
1. Get a country
2. Build corps
3. Add pop
4. Build more corps
5. Build an army
6. Become afraid that you will lose the country/army
7. Go into WP so you don't
8. Transfer workers
9. Transfer workers
10. Transfer workers to infinity

Go look at how many 'war slaves' are out there sitting in war protection...top 50 slaves on every world, probably half are in war protection. Why BUILD a WAR slave and then keep it in war protection? Don't you guys build these things to do something with them? Is it amusing to just sit and look at them...ooooh...look at all my int wings...oooh look at all those bombing wings...what's the point?

We're treated as the crazy people for enjoying the FULL game as Orbiter said, for building slaves and then using them to fight with...how silly we are...

I get that many of you REALLY enjoy just the econ side of the game and your countries reflect that, your finance ranks, your corps, lack of military because you're trying to squeeze every dime out of the country and don't need the added cost. Good for you guys, I've got no beef if that's what you enjoy. It's the rest of you, those of you with war slaves and quadrillions in mil assets that you sit and stare at in war protection? What for? Why not turn those slaves into econ slaves if you're never going to do anything with them and they'll be left alone by people like us...we don't touch people's econ slaves, it's not any fun to just click through 20 forts and paint...it's fun to FIGHT, not raid. If you've got a sizable military, air d, garrisons, etc, then you obviously want to fight...otherwise wp is much cheaper and frankly not even needed if it is people like us you worry about.

I'M NOT SURPRISED WB.I'VE KNOWN WHAT YOU WERE ALONG. I JUST WISH YOU KNEW WHAT YOU ARE AND WOULD STFU ABOUT THE WAY OTHER PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME AND HOW GREAT YOU ARE.
BIGG E

NB. This post has nothing to do with WGC and I will probably be reprimanded or kicked out due to it. It is totally my own thoughts. I have played many MOLP games over 20 years now and played SC about 7 years ago for 2 years then left it due to life commitments, then due to serious personal reasons in my real life started playing it again about 18 months ago to give me an hour or so stress relief each day.

I have not been dec'd on in this current war so far so not saying anything out of spite, just concern.

Most MOLP games are dictated by who can click the most or who can spend the most time online. SC is different as it gives you a multitude of ways to play and if you do not want to play a clicking or massive time online game you can play the eco game. If you like clicking and have a abundant amount of time you can play the war side.

SC even have gone as far as creating different world types to facilitate this, I chose WG when I can back as I wanted to slowly build an empire over time, without using my credit card or having to spend a lot of time in it and love the indepth numbers game of SC, the butterfly effect, the trading, managing population, trying to run at a profit, building my own self enclosed Common Market to try be 100% self sufficient etc.

I am not intersted in the war engine or going to war, if I was I would have chosen one of the other worlds. I joined WGC so I had protection from small rogue players who would asset raid me if I was not online for a period or the like (I actually could not play for a couple months last xmas and WGC looked after my budding empire while I sorted things out in real life, they have done that for many of the members).

That being said, I know a lot of other players, especially on WG are in the same boat. A lot of WG players have demanding jobs or health issues or the like and can't spend huge amounts of time, or have long periods where they are not online for defending their empire, but spend many years slowly building their empires and WG and WGC especially give them that chance to do that.

What is happening now is about to destroy that. SC made the mistake of being able to transfer assets between the worlds quickly, so WGC is a ripe target for the war worlds to extend their war dominance.

When WG players want war the players build empires also on the war worlds (a minority), or leave WG totally to go there. If the war game was the thing that was going to save SC then there are 4 other planets that can happen on. WG was made by the vet player base as the haven from that for players who are not interested in the war engine.

I for one will probably be leaving SC due to this, as I cold not be bothered spending another year or two to get back to where I was, or have that real threat that what has taken me RL years to build could be taken due to transfers of massive assets from other war worlds.

If you somehow win the war against WGC, how many of the WG players do you think will stay? You will basically have WG to yourself and have the satifaction of destroying many years of peoples game play, who chose to have a different game play to yourselves. Then there will be 5 war worlds and no world catering for a slice of the consumer market like myself. Well done.

You will not get my empire as I will simply dereg as soon as the war decs come as I can not be bothered with clicking and spending more than my hour a day.

Have a serious think about what you are about to do....

Nicholasian - I'm not familiar with you or your role in WGC but I do not think what you are saying is accurate. First, every world is a war world, WG is no different, almost half of the products in this game relate directly to war and that includes WG. If WGC is not about war and WG is not a war world, then why they 500 million man standing army? That's the largest standing federation army in the game by far.

Second, you pointed out that we *DID NOT* declare on you in this war and it is for exactly the reasons you stated, I don't know of you specifically because the only players we were/are looking at are those with the largest militaries in WGC, as an econ player, you do not have one or if you do I'm sure it is quite small.

Third, leaving SC due to 'this' and having to spend a year or two rebuilding? We aren't going to declare on your countries or take them, if you don't get involved in the war and you are an active player then you have nothing to worry about so long as this doesn't turn into a drawn out affair in which we are fighting off c3 decs everywhere while everyone hides in WP, if that happens...all bets are off and we will dec on whoever we can find. But I don't think that is very likely, so again, you have nothing to worry about.

Fourth, the other worlds aren't anymore 'war worlds' than WG, I'm not sure where you are getting that idea. FB is technically the 'war world' but if you looked at it over the past year you would hardly be able to tell, it's just like all of the other worlds with everyone hiding their slaves in WP afraid to use them for the task for which they were built.

Fifth, we did not transfer assets between worlds, all of the weapons and ammo we have on WG are directly from WG, we built our empires from the ground up on WG over the past 3 months or so, with the exception of EC and Serpent who already had large empires there, I started completely fresh, as did EO and Orbiter.

Last, it would be very sad if you were removed from WGC for posting this as you should have the opportunity to express your concerns. I think your concerns are misplaced and I'm glad that I got the opportunity to address them and hopefully put your mind at ease, if not, I'm sorry, but everything I've said above is true.

For the record: WE DO NOT WANT TO DESTROY WGC as a federation, we have no interest in deccing on every member and taking their countries/assets/etc. Those of you that have been decd upon, we have chosen you for obvious reasons, the rest of you who are active players, if you don't get involved in the war then your countries will be left exactly as they are with the only caution being that if c3 wars, etc are used against us, we will turn this into a no holds barred fight. But again, knowing this, I do not think the leadership of WGC will take that path but that is indeed their choice.

Hi Whiteboy

I don't really care about your opinions of how you think it is, there is more than enough of that in this and other threads.

I am giving my own opinion as deep down I want to keep playing SC but know where this is all leading. Just because I do not post here does not mean I do not know SC.

Anyway enjoy your game, I won't be responding to any further posts.

"Fifth, we did not transfer assets between worlds, all of the weapons and ammo we have on WG are directly from WG, we built our empires from the ground up on WG over the past 3 months or so, with the exception of EC and Serpent who already had large empires there, I started completely fresh, as did EO and Orbiter. " ---WB

in fact i returned to SC on april 5, so after four months, i not only built and tore down an empire on LU, but built several giant war slaves on WG. destroying what people work years for? my point is that players are often discouraged from the type of things that allow fast build up!!!

case in point, with small amount of time, raiding even a single C3 a day, can generate enough GC to buy 5M pop a week!!! but players are discouraged from raiding C3s. because the common opinion is that you can't make a profit. you can, any of the players on WG or LU who even every once and a while look at the paper, would notice my constant C3 raiding, its how i built my empire.

"This post has nothing to do with WGC and I will probably be reprimanded or kicked out due to it." ---nick

as far as causing many players to leave the game over this? well, i guess. how ever, if you look at the WG forums, it is a busy day if their is 2 posts!!! why? it seems that Jo is the only one in WGC allowed to talk!?! honestly, how many players choose not to play on WG for this reason? Or join SC, start on WG, and end up leaving because nothing ever happens? (DBD made such a statement the day before the war decs were put in place,)

frankly, it would be a shame, if you were reprimanded for stating your opinion.

in the past, players that wanted to war, had to some how prove that the war was justified, and would often be very abrasive, just to provoke and pick fights. and with the old SC chat, it was well known that it was a rather hostile place. expect new players of course wouldn't now, and presto... instant noob.

the atmosphere of enforced peace actually forces players to act belligerent, to be able to justify fighting a war, when the game docs clearly state that the full version of the game, includes war.

lastly, i would like to say, WGC is a great fed, and has enjoyed a level of success few feds ever will be able to duplicate. few feds could remain the strongest power in the game, for as long as they have.

They aren't opinions Nicholasian...they are facts...WG is not a 'peaceful' world...it has the same features as every other world and nowhere is it stated that it supposed to be a peaceful place, the over 100 different corps related completely and directly to military should be enough to indicate that it is indeed a world that features war just like the others.

If you want to leave the game when we haven't decd on you and don't intend to then it sounds more like you are leaving because you fear that you will no longer be a member of the most dominant fed in the game, not because of anything we have or will do to you...this attitude that the biggest players with the most military in the largest fed in the game being attacked makes them victims is a joke. If we were ganging up on you Nicholasian, then you'd have a point...but we're not...we've left you alone and all of the other members of WGC that are like you.

Don't read or post if you don't want to, but portraying my facts as opinions and saying things like 'I know where this is all leading' is a bit ridiculous, I don't care how long you've been playing the game, the facts are the facts and one of them is that EVERY world is a world that features war.

-2 points Whiteboy

Make it -4


for repeating the same 'I don't think you understand...' to every and any person who is not in line with your God(eye) perspective of SC.

Shitty opinions at best.

-3 more points Whiteboy

yappy poodle

little noodle?