PSA: GF.02.09.2012.0001 (Fearless Blue)

I agree GM intervention is not needed. It will lead to a knee-jerk reaction and limit the game even further. Limits restrict the diversification within the game.

I have tried to call Aqua (Lord Lee) and he is unavailable at the moment. I shall endeavour to try later. He has told me he still makes money but doesn't seem to care about the deminishing margins on his trades, despite saying he will trade strategically from then on. Seems crazy to me.

This is very much a player to player issue. This problem is likely to happen more frequently as more players enter space and begin erratically trading, especially if they're unaware of the issues.

I have spoken with Aqua about discussing with the player community about a generally accepted space trade understanding. It has now started.

We could draw up a general principle in which can be advertised in the forum with players expressing their support. The prime motive here is to raise awareness for existing and new players, especially those about to enter space, and demonstrate the overwhelming support from the playing community to it.

Let us face facts here, it is going to be up to the bigger, long time players to regulate the space market and try to set in place checks and balances. Since the space market is the pinnacle of the pyramid, time is needed for us newer players to reach a point where we can have 10 shuttles to trade there AND to afford the docks.

As a newer player, we have to have the countries and corps to produce and pay for the products we would like to trade. Since these take time to develope there is little we can hope to do. It is not that I am "narrow" minded right now and do not see the big picture, it just takes time to learn the game, expand to multiple worlds, watch out for more experienced players taking our countries via military take over and develope our enterprises. Heck I tried to rent a space dock on Cervus just to get into space and I can not even rent one. All the empty space docks are gamemaster docks and you can only "buy" on cervus atm for 200 GC. So, it will take some time for me to develope to the point to even help you all. : (

I guess my point is that you have started the discussion here and hopefully something will be constructively accomplished with this type of thread. Just remember the game does have new players who like playing and would like to get to the point where some of you are at, just do not give up on us. Some of us do see the "big picture" and would like to develope to the point of making an impact. : ) But as of now, the fledgeling space market is in your hands.

Well said QB! I second that opinion. As much as i'd like to be a part of helping, i'm just starting out basically and it will take a bit more time before my resources are to the point where I can trade across worlds like you vets do currently. But I look forward to being able to contribute to the space economy in the future with the guidance and expertise learned from you veteran players.

Hi Wendy. You and Aqua Fedded, now thats gonna be interesting ;) Anyways, with all due respect, do you not think that our own captains of capitalism in the real world dont use this dumping strategy to de-stabilize markets of the world and individual countries for there own ends? Whether it be for profit or politics?

This happened in 12 hours. What the hell.

I was only giving a idea anyway, no need to attack me

I'm sorry if I came across that way Sunny. I wasn't attacking you. I'm just a bit miffed at how many companies there are and how few actually run in the green.

....and by green I mean make money. : D

I concur with NO GM INTERVENTION. There needs to be pressure put on those who 'rig the system' so to speak from within the Simcountry Community.

Also, don't put all your eggs in one basket- spread your corps among different products rather than having 750 oil corps. People will rort the system, regardless of 'action', and when it does it is up to those who are most at risk to protect their assets.

Food for thought,
T

I am a veteran, and as of right now, I'm not pursuing the space game; however, this manipulation of the markets on this grand of a scale affects ALL of us, both new and veteran.

Everyone here can help shape policy.

Haha Nix, Me and Aqua fedded lol. This is a testament to David's political potency.

David is one of the coolest mannered individuals in the face of adversity. I can't speak to that enough.

There were a lot of comments here and I want to respond to them all, but I need some time to absorb the posts and properly respond.

Arc I like your response and I like your adapt and move on method of dealing with things.

Some people cannot be reasoned with, I used to be one of them. I think Aqua will stop or I will use my buying power to make sure there is no margin of profit for Aqua to continue this degree of trading. It is that simple. It will take a few days but it will still happen. I appreciate the feedback and conversation going on as a result of that original post.

Talking is good. Player interaction is lacking big time in sim.

David,
Your idea of putting down some guidelines on space trade is an excellent idea. A couple of examples of what you would consider constructive trading and trading that would actually hurt the market will make it much easier for newer players to understand the issue.

And thanks Wendy, for bringing up the issue before it got out of hand.

It,s good to see you back David, you always made so damn much sense in this game!

Whoa hey Rick, long time no hear from you.

And Nix, yeah this is being done in Real life too. It sucks and is done under the "Free Trade" banner as in sim.

Hopefully societies will awaken to the damage being done and come together to stop it.

I would like you all to see this video and enjoy the ideas of togetherness and equality being presented here. Even if they are not your own ideas or close to your beliefs, we could discuss the better parts of the proposals and move on.

The subject matter is a "Resource Based Economy"

Now if the GM would come through with space wars as he has promised, stuff like this could be resolved the old fasioned way

Touche Homer ....

Dear international community, I encourage other players to get into space and trade. I would find it helpful if we could work to find a way forward for all of us.

Lord Lee.

AS I have stated before, I WOULD be in space IF the GM would rent some space docks. Currently there are NO space docks for rent on Cervus and I will NOT purchase one for 200GC since I do not have 200GC. Ready and willing as I may be, without space docks for rent I will simply remain on terra firma idly watching the night sky. If you check you will see very few if ANY docks for rent on any stations.

I also understand that space component corps go out of business quickly, so this is GM issue which does tie into the space trade issue. The harder they make it to do the less people will try.

The situation on Cervus is now corrected.

Please mail us if you see a shortage on any of the stations.

We will automate this process as soon as possible and solve the availability problem.

For one you do not need a space dock to transport products from one planet to another so you can actually do trade with another planet without owning or renting a space dock.

I am willing and open to any space trade agreement that we could al draw up and signed. Maybe setup a trading council Wendy?

Yay! I am in space and thank you David for renting me a space. Thank you Andy for making docks available for other players to rent.

Now everyone get your backsides into the space market! There is nothing like seeing weightless Ta Ta's! WooHOO!

and what do weightless ta ta's have to do with the game?

both are SOMEONES fantasy i spose sonneillon....

Its all within the rules.

There are many rules many of us dont like but they are the rules. At risk of becoming repetetive, "learn to adapt to change". It would be quite boring if nothing came along to challenge one. We would all end up at the same place, and then be moaning how there's nothing to do.

Good luck if to Aqua if he thinks he can control a particular market. I seriously doubt he can for any period of time. I've seen many try and many fail. Including myself.
Anyone remember Daconias electric corporation CEOs on every word?

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There could be a ban on players selling factory maintenance units on Little Upsilon. I would sign up to this international trade agreement.

Lord Lee

Trade is part of the game. I dont see why you should punish someone for buying oil @ $100 on one place then selling it for 500 on other (Thats how the stock market works buy low and sell high)

I do VERY much agree that dumping so much that it collapse a market is wrong. Corps shouldn't go from making profit to losing money overnight because someone dumps a ton of goods. If the GM is to limit this they should add something where players can only "Sell" the same amount they can buy.

IE
Factory Maintenance Units
Currently in Stock 0 units
Base Price 1.90M SC$ per unit
Market Price without Quality Effects 2.07M SC$ per unit
Market Oversupply/Shortage -3,489,866 units
Spending Space for this Month 580.00B SC$
This will buy 280,772 units

Allow players to sell 1T consumer goods or 2T military goods monthly to the world markets. Atleast this way a decline or surplus would come @ a slower pace and allow people to adjust accordingly.

I do agree with buying and sell goods but it needs to be done responsibly