U.S Governmet Shut Down

This is really bad and real bad omen, this has nothing to do with the U.S Government, I hope you understand who's doing this. I think we have lost our freedom. The economy is crashing down. Have your say and opinions on this if you like. If you have the brains and a heart to know, please say your piece. I like to know how many people knows who know who is doing this.


I just realized I made a spelling mistake, but who cares.

Displace this thread please, it is the Catholic Church that ordered the shut down.

No it's not the "B-lovers" this time,the shut down is just the first step towards
setting the stage for something much more worse.

Honestly i really don't give a damn nor am i afraid of what "it" has planned,
i am taking a trip sooner then i thought so let it fall i'll be happy in another land.

yep, i'm in another land. so i'm okay here.

politicians in america just have too much ego, and it's the people that suffer because you ever know a politician with network less than a million usd?

America has a booming economy and President Obama is the best president America has ever had. There's absolutely nothing to worry about. Even if America did default on its debt it doesn't mean it would be the end of the world.

i mean networth

If only we had President Obama in power in the UK it would be wonderful than the awful prime minister we have here in the UK.

aye but I spy

fLee, for the first time ever I agree with you. I wish you had Obama in power in the UK. You and he would be great together. You are certainly welcome to him. You have no idea about what you are talking about when it comes to America. You are just another socialist who can't understand the power of capitalism and freedom.

Freedom? LOL! Not in America buddy!

It's quite 'interesting' to see Americans talking about "socialism" and "freedom" without knowing what those concepts actually mean.. Obama is not a socialist, and freedom is not oppressed with a social (social is not socialist) healthcare system -_-'

Nico are you an American? Have you even been to America?

Obviously Dominik isn't an American which is fine. Funny though how you thought I was referring to healthcare. After all socialized healthcare has been so very successful every where it has been instituted. And no, I have never lived under socialism but I have been to socialistic countries. I prefer the freedom of my somewhat imperfect America. And I am sure you are quite content with wherever in the world you call home. And that is as it should be. Cheers.

I live in America. Born and raised! But if we have so much freedom, then why does the government spy on its own INNOCENT civilians?

I believe that if you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't worry, not to mention that is HAS prevented terrorism in my European states such as the UK, France, Germany, and at home. Either ways, this is democracy, choosing what type of government we want. Here is the summary:
Republicans = Communists
Democrats = Socialists
In a way they are similar, but they are on different sides of the left-right wing spectrum of politics.

Obama has just been hated on by Republicans, hardcore. I wouldn't say he is the worst, but he isn't the best either, but I think he is doing above average. Republicans just want everything at its knees instantly. I wouldn't understand how someone can be a pure Democrat or Republican, it just that. But to me, Republicans skrewed their image up by CAUSING the shut down, when they should have assessed the BENEFITS of the Affordable Healthcare Act. Most Small Businesses already had Healthcare. Some argue it may congest doctor's offices or cause unproductive workers, but this is the opposite, it gives people a way to get healthcare.

What we should do is talk about the debt ceiling.

I dont mind having the government watching us...but if we have to expose our data, why cant they? And considering that innocent civilians are getting watched for other reasons other than terrorism...its kind of awkward...President Nixon resigned and nearly kicked out of office because he spied on a certain person but Obama does it and its fine? Hmmm.......I dont think Obama is the worst president but hes down there...not far...

A note to all Americans from a European who loves America (hell, I've even attended an American Grade and High School in my country): What you call party division and partisanship in the US is a storm in a teacup compared to European political standards. Calling Obama a socialist is like calling Roseann Barr a supermodel (sorry for the example, guess I'm old). Obama bu European standards is a respectable mid-right politician, probably closer to the conservative or christiandemocrat european parties. The equivalent of socialdemocrat or center left european party would be the extreme liberal left wing of the democrats. The mainstream Republicans would be the extreme right wing in Europe, the tea party would be some nuthead party with 0.5% and the extreme left wing of Europe would be, er, illegal?

Nico, now that you explain your statement I agree with you in that respect. We are on a very slippery slope with the domestic spying that has been undertaken by our own government against millions of innocent Americans. I have no tolerance for terrorists but these activities need to be restricted to those have been identified as having connections to terrorist individuals and organizations and not Americans at large.

Space you need to think about giving your government that much intrusion into your personal life. Is it really necessary for them to read your emails and listen to your phone calls? Wouldn't we all be better served by a government that is more concerned about protecting us while protecting our rights?

Both of you are likely young people and I am glad to see you taking an interest in what goes on in our country. I would ask you to really think things through on your own and make reasoned decisions about things. Just keep in mind while our country is not perfect it is still a great country for lots of reasons. Unfortunately it isn't because of our politicians. Rather it is in spite of them.

And Christos you are right we in America don't know socialism like the Europeans. And that is really our point we don't want to although more and more Americans are slipping toward it without really thinking about what it would mean.

.....Alright let me allow a founding father to speak some truth to @Space!

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

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You dont have to roll in crap to know it stinks. Anytime you are FORCED into doing something your freedoms have been compromised. If you dont pay the penalty of not buying ObamaCare then the IRS (Interestingly they use the gov agency that already has its hands in your pockets) will take it from your bank account.... If you dont have it there, then they will suspend your drivers license. Besides when has ANY and I mean ANY gov program been beneficial. EVERYTHING they get their hands on is messed up. The only good thing about American bureaucracy is its inefficiency.

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Where do you get the statistics that they have prevented terrorist attacks? I bet its from the same government agency that is wanting to take the freedoms and liberties away! All because the NSA says that it has stopped 50 terrorist plots, therefore it needs more power is hardly convincing.

Has it ever occurred to many that the 'governments' that the US has supported and put into power are the very same exact ones that are now labeled as 'terrorists'. The 'rebels' that the US wants to put into power in Syria are what the US labeles as 'terrorists'.

53 years ago when then Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev made a speech before the U.N. he said: "America will fall without a shot being fired. It will fall from within."

Then note the 10 points of the communist manifesto and ask yourself if this dont sound familier:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools.

and now you could prolly add Free state run HealthCare!

.... im just saying!

If the govt spying on its citizens is so effective, then why didn't it prevent the Boston bombing? Or the Kenya mall attack?

And why if the govt is shut down, does the govt then proceed to send more armed guards to national parks to keep WW2 vets out than it sent to Benghazi in the midst of a major conflict in which Americans were in imminent danger?

Is the only goal of Govt to suppress those who may oppose it? The constitution was written to restrain the Federal branch from becoming too powerful. There is nothing OK about Obamacare, which was written by the medical insurance companies who will benefit from the legislation. Nothing OK about the undermining of our right to be secure in our persons and effects. Nothing ok about "free speech zones" and the trampling of 2nd amendment rights.

The public school system is a disgrace. Kids are being sent to govt institutions not to learn, but be indoctrinated by the system which corrupts the young mind.

The constant use of false flags to further agendas is additionally troubling.

But I sleep well at night, I have all I need to protect myself and my family in the inevitable event of financial/societal collapse.

America is not going to fall...we have seen the rise and fall of many great empires such as America. The Roman Empire, the Muslim Empire, etc. all have rose and fell but they are still here in some form right? The Roman Empire is now Italy and the Muslim Empire is now Saudi Arabia. And for you Euro-snobs, nobody wants to hear you denounce America, I mean honestly give me one GOOD reason why you should hate America. Socialism is when everybody owns everything, so basically everybody owns the schools and businesses and so on, Communism is when the government owns everything and controls everything. But I do agree America is at a low point, corrupt people run the government and the corporations only care about money...as does every politician which are willing to pay millions just so they can "win".

Amerika is not going to fall eh'...well sorry to tell ya but it fell a long time ago!


"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

- Dwight D. Eisenhower Jan.17,1961

Btw what happened to that young man who replaced him in the oval office hmm,"63"

Don't worry guys, it will hit Australia too. I know, this is really bad omen and because the damned Catholic Vatican wants to set up NWO too. That's why I said I think we have lost our Freedom. This is the only beginning of the World Destruction by the Pope. This is the Popes doing.

I did not think I get this many in responses.

This is very bad Agenda 21 and to just let you guys know, the Pope is the Antichrist, always have and always will, it is not Obama as the Catholics put him down as to fool people.

Just my thought.

I believe we have hit the Great Tribulation.

There have been many lies and deception deceivers by the Catholics.

The Republics are far too right wing and only care about the rich people.

Since the 3rd quarter of 2011 the American economy has grown in every single quarter to date with one quarter even reaching 4.9% GDP growth.

America is a very wealthy country with huge assets and there's plenty more room to increase the debt ceiling. I think $20000000000000 should be the next limit to allow for more infrastructure to be built.

Obama Care is a wonderful idea and you Americans should be grateful that they have such a caring president who thinks about the poor and unemployed people.