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Obama Care is also set up by the Pope, not the President.

I did follow the progress of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and think the passing of this act is President Obama's greatest achievement. Humanity is far more important than profits and ruthless capitalism.

Frankly, I find it funny that some people think that Obamacare is a socialist ideal.....which is odd seeing that many of America's allies have health care provided by the government, one of which is to our north.

Hahaha,obamacare/ACA has nothing to do with healthcare yes it was labeled as providing
free healthcare or reduced prices for insurance or whatever lie he invented to pass it,
in the end scotus ruled/changed the law into a tax....see it's not about saving lives
of the poor or young people like us,it was just a slick method of pushing higher taxes
through the congress before the dickhead republicans could stop him.

America's next step should be to provide healthcare for free to every citizen as a basic human right. Paid for by taxing the rich and the mega corporations.

Last i checked the majority of the "rich" don't currently live here in amerika.
you're comfy in the uk....hey that's where all the elites moved too yeah,
see we can't tax them anymore because they live in a comfy upscale mini state in the uk
and heres a little more funny bit of info about the rich who fled amerika.

In the uk they don't pay taxes or really have a home there?
what they did was buy vast amounts of property & changed the owner name to tweety bird,
or a offshore business located in jamaica or whatever to avoid the racial trash
or great un'washed such as us from even knowing where they live!

they could be in china or japan or idaho who knows because they have dropped there id
or wealth status from the face of the earth just so people like you can't and will
never even dare dream of taking the money they stole from us all.

Michael Wilson im not Catholic nor am i an advocate of their many pernicious dogmas however babbling like a lunatic about the pope taking over america is downright silly

Edgar your ignorant.... possibly brainwashed.... and just because you have a very strict moronic perception of america in your head doesnt mean you can sit up on your horse and preach it down to us... this is a democracy and we will collectively decide what we are.... socialism and freedom are not independent of eachother...... do you think factory workers in the early 20th century had freedom? working 100 hour weeks? no probably not but maybe their industrialist masters did.... the freedom to wash away towns.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnstown_Flood.... and then build museums and call themselves philanthropists.....

There is no justification for mass surviellence on us by the government..... the odds of dying from a terrorist attack are slim.... the odds of terrorism causing an unreversable malicious change in our society seems to be growing.... this is why we have the second ammendment


The Communist Manifesto was created as a guide for the perfect society and implicating its contents with the soviet union is fallacy i will now explain each point

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes
(This is known as Eminent Domain an important stipulation in our Constitution that our freedom loving founding fathers saw fit to implement)
.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
(Are we really debating this 100 years after the progressive era? o well only in america.... suggest you become educated... sociology and economics would be a start)

3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
(There is no abolition of inheritance... we have an estate tax but it is very small and makes sense.... we arent trying to build an aristocracy in america we can debate the effectiveness of this compared to actual underlying and fundamental flaws in our economy and education system but nevertheless the estate tax is hardly relevant)

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
(can you elaborate on how this is occuring in the US)

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
(No such thing in the US... and dont say the fed or the post office)

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
(The government has always built roads and it actually makes perfect sense that the government provide essential services to people because of an inelasticity of demand)

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
(examples)

8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
(examples)

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
(examples? and dont say tax deductibles for living in Alaska)

10. Free education for all children in public schools.
(please no)


The government does lots of stupid stuff Obamacare is not one of them every single pseudo first world country and first world buys healthcare as a union and its no coincidence that the US spends so much more on healthcare per capita then every other nation on the planet..... the only complaint i have about it is that its a federal program instead of state.... now im going to have to pay for those fat slobs in mississipi to buy their diabetes medicene

America is not at a low point by any index..... how laughable.... which america would you like to go back to? cold war? civil war? gilded age? Articles of Confederation?.... We have always had our ideals but we have always had ignorant people aswell

william obamacare is not a tax in any sense of the word

btw i think obama is setting a good precedent not allowing the debt ceiling to be used as collateral for repealing legally passed legislation... come to think of it we shouldnt have a debt ceiling for this very reason.... just like we shouldnt have fillibusters or gerrymandering but ehh we would all rather just argue about drugs abortion and guns

"Argue" i mean

1st of all....

The Affordable Care Act is constitutional in part and unconstitutional in part. The individual mandate cannot be upheld as an exercise of Congress's power under the Commerce Clause. That Clause authorizes Congress to regulate interstate commerce, not to order individuals to engage in it. In this case, however, it is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without health insurance. Such legislation is within Congress's power to tax.

- Chief Justice John Roberts

@Thewhy the debt ceiling was designed for a male such as "Der Fuhrer" haha,
but whatever happens i am not in the least concerned cus it's a great change coming
along, the middle kingdom has regained its health & the latins are coming around slowly
but steady and meanwhile all we got is how obama is not afraid of the teaparty yawn.

it isnt a tax even if they used congresses power to tax as justification for the law... i think it could be justified under the elastic clause but im not a lawyer so whatever.... ethier way it just makes sense...


idk why there is a debt ceiling... congress passes a budget oftentimes with a deficit... the president must borrow money in order to fund the legislation in the budget.... makes no sense to then limit the amount the president can borrow that congress has already implicitly authorized in passing a budget with a deficit..... no other country that i know of does this... but then thats what makes the US exceptional

The limit on borrowing makes sense. It is the one time congress gets to take heat for excessive spending. I wish there were more checks like this on power.

Think about it. Other bills there are estimates on what is spent and most Americans don't pay attention. Then, of course, the estimates are far off or manipulated with tricks in accounting. Think of the medicare "fix" that is often separated from other funding.

I think there should be a constitutional balanced budget amendment. I am tired of congress having nearly unchecked power to pay favors to the electorate with our money.

it's kindda like simcountry, you can spend more than you have.

sc gm can magically make things for you in sc, but who will magically do for america?

the president usually takes the heat for the debt limit just like with all things..... not to mention the heat our economy takes..... what happens when the interest on our 15T someodd debt goes up.... Greece is what happens

XON thats a slightly simplistic version of how debt and credit works

IMO,the healthcare problem america is suffering from could be solved fairly quick
if we all united together as one people & had the courage & common sense to listen to this
wonderful man,whom was way ahead of his time.


You must all know half a dozen people at least who are no use in this world; who are more trouble than they are worth. Just put them there, and say, now sir or madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence? If you cant justify your existence; if youre not pulling your weight in the social group; if youre not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then clearly we cannot use the big organisation of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us, and it cant be of very much use to yourself.
- George Bernard Shaw

Coup d'etat, best solution

@thewhy

I do not careless what you say and I am not Catholic and I do believe you are one of them because you attacking your nonsense crap to me. Nothing will change my Faith from what I believe in. You will not stop me from things about the Catholic Church being evil and the Pope is behind all this, I know what is going on, if you don't preaching then go else where because I am not preaching, you can stick the preaching up ya ass, I don't go around and preach, I am telling you the truth what is going on and I have heard those words like you said about being IGNORANT, ONLY the Catholics say that, and you are ONE of them and for that, you are totally lying and I know that. If you don't like, then f**k off else where and don't respond back on this thread because this thread is NOT for YOU, you Catholics are condemned in hell for eternity. Jesus Father own Word's and now politely go and worship you Antichrist Pope. Do NOT bring your rubbish to me, nothing will change my Faith and belief and nothing will stand me down. You will go sooner than you think. Not my words, you will be condemned for eternity here in hell.

LOL

@Equinox

Yeah exactly

@A select number of people

Buy this book:
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It'll help

@thewhy and everyone else worried that the US will become Greece: The US owes dollars. The US prints dollars. China buys dollars. The US owes more dollars (fill the rest). This can go on forever. While: Greece owes euros. Germany prints euros. Germany does not want to print euros because Germany does not owe and holds too many euros. End.

christos just because a country prints its own money doesnt mean interest rates cant rise to crippling levels as they did in greece... interest rates arent leveled on the currency they are leveled on the country...... Germany has a higher debt to GDP ratio then the US

Michael Wilson you are crazy.... i hope you are tryng to be satirical..... how can you claim to not be catholic and still talk about hell faith and the antichrist with im assuming a straight face

William V "justifying your existence" sounds like a communist a-hole.... can you justify your existence? should you be obligated to do so? why?

@thewhy: Interest rates are not carved in stone. They're the result of the markets' (i.e. people running the markets) estimates on the chances a country has to default on its sovereign debt. If you would point out to me a country that has ever defaulted on debt owed in its own currency I would agree with you (but don't look it up - there is none, although the EU tries hard to change that). Anyway, this is not the place to discuss macroeconomics so I'll leave it to that. But don't worry, the US cannot default. Unless they want to.

Both SC and the Real World have gone into economic heck.