Ok. Someone else laugh with me.

Are you people going to fight or just hug each other all year?

Back in my day people were destroyed before a thread hit 10 posts.

If I had my cane I would thrash you all soundly, drink your last beer, and sleep with your girlfriend.

I received hatemail from John Smith going on about that he is NOT OBAMA. LOL

Too late Johanas as the majority of us here have already drank your beer and slept with your girlfriend, so you can have her back now it's 2016

I however am the exception as I do not need to drink your beer or sleep with your girlfriend as I exist in a reality that you could only imagine exists. So lets see what happens in 2016, will it be hugs or will it be blows to all who get in my way.

From the Presidential Office of John West


I hereby publicly apologize to the leader of "Great Britian," John Smith, for [jokingly] accusing him as secretly being OBAMA. I understand this is the lowest of blows and it was uncalled for. I did not imagine myself in the receiving position and having been accused as being OBAMA is perhaps the absolute worst claim that one can levy against another. I hereby retract my statement suggesting that John Smith is in fact OBAMA and would again like to point out it was made in jest.

My military advisors have reminded me that we should perhaps not be so nonchalant about John Smith having a nuclear arsenal, as well my economic advisors remind me to keep in mind he is is a valuable customer of our nuclear products, and as such it would be also be in our economic interests to extend this apology openly for all the world to see, that I did not intend to come off as a "dick" as I had been rightfully counter-accused of in the hatemail we recently received by the nuclear equipped dictator John Smith.

Furthermore I would like to take this opportunity to point out that West Enterprises has a great sale going at Space Station Carina for Nuclear Missiles !! See our ad in the Trade section for more info on the capabilities of this excellent product.


Regards,

John West
President
Byzenti Republic

This was great lmfao

Right. So i'm supposed to be back round the 10th, but given the extent of this topic... think it's best to reply now.

This may take a while.

Will reply from the 30th Dec 2015 post.

Hello Zen. Lovely to see all that digging at one another in chat, you laughing it off, finally show its true colours. Took a while i must admit, but it seems i got under your skin from very early on.

In your first paragraph, you've pointlessly explained about your countries being out of WP. Well done. How is that of any significance to me?

Nice of you to call me all talk and no action. I appreciate that, honestly, i do. I said when i started it'd take time to come to FB, took me what, 3 months. I said i would move to FB, and i have. I said i'd help try and turn it back into a war world, that i will also do. What you keep failing to compute, process, or whatever you wish to call it, is that all of this has one factor that draws me, and everyone else back. Time. Your whole argument about me being war level 0 is insignificant. You pointed that out exactly the same way JamieBrown called me out, please read the reply on the other topic (wherever it is on FB forum). Time is the key factor here, not the lack of balls to attack people on FB.

How did i gain power? What power? You seem to think my 600T of assets is extraordinary? Yes, i appreciate whole heartingly what BE did, selling me his assets, but given that he was leaving, it was either take them up myself, or let someone else take it. I've never boasted about how much i have, sure i was overly pleased, but as soon as i won them, i put on the forum a lovely thank you for BE. I don't hide what i gained. The military i had before was 30T. Yes, small. Again, what is your angle here? Buying some assets is almost like buying a country with 250mil pop and 300 corps ready for Ipo. It's an investment. If you're complaining about me buying assets, then i suppose people should stop listing countries and ents on direct trade. Hell, close down space trade for that matter, and stop making Josias rich! haha

Blood? I'll go back to the topic of time. That's that.

Interesting you talk about hitting the fed. You ask the question as if i wouldn't defend my fed. Why would i start a fed, merge with another, if i was simply going to watch them burn? Querying your logic now. You've insinuated that i call people stupid or give up on them when they need help. Love to see one post, one line in any chat that I've done this? Pretty sure that on a daily basis i'm in chat trying to advise people on setting up their economy prior to military. How to achieve certain goals. Sure, they may be beginner - mid range goals, but it's better than letting them rot from day one. I do, as much as i can to help new players. Sure i may not know as much as Aries, but i'm there sticking my neck out for others. Yep, complete tosh typed out by yourself there.

Aries can constantly talk with a cocky tone all he wants, whether or not he's backed it up. Doesn't mean i'll be there to lick his ass. Please, other than running to the GMs and asking for a ban on the forum, find a way of stopping me typing.

-Tony- If that is what you are honestly requesting, that we do not act should you be attacked, this is your request and i will respect it.

Ahhhh, the FOB part. I'm utterly upset that you realised that. Yet, Zen, i have to again question your logic. According to the docs, i'm pretty sure a WL6 cannot attack a WL3. So, what threat were you talking about on your chairman? Did i provoke your entire fed into sending thousands of special forces units to his country? Rope-a-dope tactic in full effect there.

The all talk paragraph again, i'll again respond with the main issue, Time.

I know it's been bothering you, since we started this tit-for-tat business in chat. I found it rather amusing to be honest, but it's a shame that it's bothered you for so long. Glad you've vented, somewhat. May i suggest some Yoga, or meditating? You seriously, cannot let issues like this bother you to this extent. It's a game for crying out loud.

I know WHY BE attacked zentrino. I also keep noticing yourselves failing to state the key point in this, and why i went from whole heartingly respecting BOTH of you, Zen & Zentrino, to finding both of you despicable. When BE began to lose, and was in full retreat, he spoke to you and zentrino about a diplomatic solution, and none of you were having it. He then spoke to Aries, who convinced him to remove all of his forts if he was serious about some form of peace. Once this was done, be it between yourselves or not (though i don't possibly believe that you all didn't communicate at that time), purposely mowed him down. Now, i don't condone what BE did attacking Zentrino, i've said this in chat many a time, and i found it utterly distasteful, something again i mention in chat. However, when a peace deal is being brokered, and one party have held it's end of the bargain, it is completely and utterly cowardly to continue attacking that person. THIS, is the reason i do not give two rats bottoms about you two. No other reason. Not that you're in a fed with Aries, not that you're borders are close to that of our fed members. No. The fact you strike someone down like that, is why i do not.

You don't like me, i don't like you. Well done, we've established that long ago, and putting it on the forum allows people to understand that. The fact that someone across the world, can upset you THIS much, is amazing, and amusing.

On a side note, my attitude towards which people in this game? Pretty sure i've respected everyone bar Aries (to a point), You (to a point), Zentrino (to a point). Sure Jamie might be one, J.Smith another, but other than them, I've been respectful to the vast majority of vets, and new players. So towards who have i been disrespectful? I'm keen to read about this.

What a start to the new simcountry year eh. Bloody enjoying my holiday, and pop on to see this. Sheeeeeesh!

P.s. I still feel like there is a part of me that really really likes Zentrino... after all that's happened, i just don't know.

There was no bargain with Blackeyes. So, there is no "his" side and "our" side of it. Again, not only was nothing agreed to in chat but, in addition, Blackeyes did not offer peace in game and appeared quite prepared to extend the war to another world.

You admit you were not there. To my knowledge, your version of the events are not shared by any party on either side of the conflict. Blackeyes claims he "gave" Zen and Zentrino what assets he left on FB. This sounds like, in his view, a transaction was completed just as he intended. From our end, it was entirely unclear what his intentions were as he relocated much of his forces to LU. So, why don't you state your source for your blatantly wrong information?

I suspect BlackEyes just claimed he was leaving to put us or his next target off guard, and so I see that as an indicator he's going to attack somebody soon. Sun Tzu said "war is deception" after all. I went ahead and pointed out that he really could be OBAMA to provoke a response, and I didn't get one so perhaps he really has left us. I guess I'll believe it when I don't see it. . . ? ?

So how does this affect me one might say?? well BlackEyes made himself one of my [unpredictable] neighbors !! haha. I had been assuming conflict with that one was inevitable. Perhaps not after all. Somehow I think we hadn't seen the last of him regardless.

When you do return BlackEyes as I expect you will, perhaps we can be friendly neighbors. Unless of course you really are OBAMA. Than I will not be your friendly neighbor. But if you really were OBAMA, you'd likely deceive me into thinking you're somebody you're not, which I suppose in this case would be NOT OBAMA, and that we share share common interests, before I am betrayed.

My source is what you said in Hangouts Aries.

I've got it word for word.

Aries - Blackeyes tried to pull some diplomatic coup in chat after he knew he was losing to make up with zen and zentrino. They were not having it. I convinced Blackeyes to drop his forts if he was serious. I think he still thought his fed air from his 3rd country would protect them anyway. Um, not without forts. buh bye.

Aries - Blackeyes diplomacy was to imply he had a gift for zen and zentrino. No one knew if he was actually serious. That was when i called him on the forts if he was. We had no idea he would remove them. When he did, he was vulnerable.

How about you remember what you type and to who you type it.

I don't see anything about a "bargain" there. Do you?

Right there, I told you that Zen and Zentrino were not on board with any type of agreement. His intentions were still unclear. My view was that he was drawing Zen and Zentrino to attack him, thinking his defenses were sufficient. Again, we were guessing his intentions and could only guess at that time since there was no peace agreed to, no peace offered in game, and Blackeyes was moving significant forces to my home world.

Why don't you share what I also said in Hangouts? I am your source and all. I said:

"no peace was agreed to. war was still active. no peace was actually offered by black in game" - 11/15/15, 7:38 PM

"Just making a point here. You guys were not in chat. Blackeyes did not offer a peace treaty. Blackeyes started the war unprovoked. You guys are making a big mistake." -11/16/15, 11:47 PM

Fudge. I lost everything i typed.

Arghhhhhhhhh so annoying when that happens.

'I convinced Blackeyes to drop his forts if he was serious'

'That was when i called him on the forts if he was'

So between the three of you, you didn't think he was serious about diplomacy? Okay, lets give the benefit of doubt, first time round anyway. So he has a little chat with you and you request that he removes his forts to prove that BE is serious about diplomacy.

After he does what you asked, ie remove the forts, you STILL all thought that he wasn't serious about diplomacy? Really. Like, really.

I think BE knew how vulnerable he'd be if he removed the forts, i don't think BE is stupid.

'no peace was agreed to. war was still active. no peace was actually offered by black in game'

Yet to open diplomacy, and let's just throw the ball out into the court, MAYBE to talk about peace, he did what you asked, to show he was serious.

You know what else haha,

I've just come to realize, that BE is gone, and i'm still here fighting for a cause that has long passed. lol.

Suppose it's a moral ground more than anything. GOD DAMNIT 'BE' WHY DID YOU LEAVE!

Are we still talking about what we "thought" Blackeyes intentions were? He still maintains he gave the stuff to Zen and Zentrino. Scroll up dude!

The only difference between you and Zen in his eyes is that Zen actually had to fight a war to get his stuff. You only proved you can purchase stuff in direct trade. The Simcountry world still waits to see if you are capable of anything else.

From Beyond The Grave!

@Aries, was not the deciding factor in my choice to drops my forts, DISMANTLE all 600 of my mobile wings + 150 regular wings + offensive wings. Aries and i did discuss the growing block being placed infront of me, primarily thank's to his awesome assistance And i paused for an hour!
Thought about bringing in more stuff which i did, and started dropping their war index... then i got called out in chat for being... well being ME lol
Zen REALLY hit me hard in our chat, made me think about an earlier convo with Jan in which i shared some personal stuff as well as began destroying my stuff and preparing for my soon exit. But before i left Aries was going to be my final prize or final loss for good.

Aries accepted my plans to war with him while still backing Zen & Zentrino. But i only wanted his main country in the war + all his mains cash hehe... he refused this of course... and i started moving stuff to LU to get whatever i could from him. Meanwhile i asked an old "friend" to take over for me on FB and get an easy kill with just using Convent missiles. That didn't pan out, so i thought about things while blowing up corps...

FInally i told Zen & Zentrino, to prepare for something from me... Aries told them i was planning to escalate the war, but in truth i was tired and dealing personal problems and wanted to leave this behind regardless of what some may believe.

So YES! I BE dropped all defensive means and offensive means in my FB countries, and TOLD Zen + Zentrino to take it for a final victory and decent stockpile for one of them to obtain within. They did just that, i watched them do it, and i sold my acct at the same time... only remain to help him out.

TBH, Giving away everything to Zen, Zentrino, Putin, another guy who was banned, SunnyKinight, made me feel a lot better as a player for so many years & as a person. I hope they fight it out and have fun with eachother... the way things used to be

@John West i didn't forget about you... you saved your friends early on by declaring war on every spot in their area to prevent my land units from walking in lmao YOU were a factor in that war GL John West

In closing - Aries! I am gonna miss you man, we only knew eachother for few years ;) But i have the utmost respect for you and your skills, however there was a nice little "trick" i had for you had your main became out of WP... you probably know of this already and perhaps have used it to your advantage hmm?
But i thought about passing this "trick" on to a rising star in SC, if anybody provides an new email for to send this info along... this will be a tiny game changer for your future enemy. Your call!

Good bye SimCountry "BE" is hate free, and wish only the best for the GM's and their player community.

I only spoke out on the information that was provided.

I'm kind of, stunned as to what to say right now.

I'm in that gap of thinking of how to respond, and hands just in the air waving about like, what the fruitcake.

I dunno how to respond.

Thanks for clearing things up Blackeyes.

"@John West i didn't forget about you... you saved your friends early on by declaring war on every spot in their area to prevent my land units from walking in lmao YOU were a factor in that war GL John West"

Thanks hahah !! That is precisely why I did that, but it was a complete shot in the dark as I did NOT actually think that had any effect against your plans LOL !!!

I was not able to contribute many defensive units at that time from my small army, so I think my allies were upset that I had a considerably smaller stockpile of weapons than they had, and they left their alliance with me right after that conflict ha ha. I did what ever I could to assist at the time though, which is why I did that. I guess all that's important to some people is just how helpful you can be to them. . . Aries said something during that conflict along the lines that I was a terrible ally haha. well I did what ever I could and offered to commit all resources available to me, including to counter-attack with 24 thousand Fighter Planes, but again to summarize what Aries basically explained to me that my help would not at all be effective. I don't mind Aries in the least bit though because I much appreciate the honesty (by the way Aries is the originating source of my power because he transfered to me the knowledge of warfare, which I have much expanded upon my knowledge of since, so I can't help but listen to him). The conflict was a wake up call that even though I utilize WP, I require more defensive units anyway so I can't be such a lousy ally. I don't have any allies anymore but I have many hundreds of defensive units available to me now hahah what ever.

Since you say you're leaving, I'll admit I've been [secretly] preparing to confront you BlackEyes on the battlefield. I was going to at minimum attempt to remove your presence from my world, so as to redeem myself for having been a lousy ally. Well again since you're saying you're leaving now, and my allies left my alliance anyway after that conflict to form some Yakuza gang with me not included (irregardless of providing what small amount of assistance I could), to put every thing into perspective, I don't care anymore about those battle plans anyway, as I find it terribly ironic my former ENEMY rather than my former allies admits I contributed to the defense LOL !! I'll just throw these plans against you into the trash bin right now.

I WAS planning on knocking on your door BlackEyes. Not in the present as my preparations are far from complete, but in the not too distant future. I would not have made the attempt unless I had clearly amassed overwhelming force. Again now that you are supposedly leaving, I do not have much reason for the buildup I am forcing my Simitizens to leave their day job for hahaha. but if you're just bluffing and you're not actually leaving, I'll point you know I don't really feel like I want to attack you anymore anyways. I'm merely explaining I WAS preparing for such an event.

I know you'll be back BlackEyes !! Until then, take care.

@BE and Sunny.

I apologize for past comments made. I shouldn't have made such harsh comments. I was being childish. I myself have gained a lot from that war as well. Mostly professionals. Probably around half of my mobile units are with professionals from BE in that war. After what BE said, I'm going to let myself go on that. I take things too personally when it has absolutely nothing to do with me. To Sunny, I'm going to shut up about it. I'm just jealous that you've gained those assets. That is all. I have no personal beef with you. So I will leave you alone on that. You're an important player in this community, spike things up for us in the future. Maybe me and you can make this more interesting. I need to stop speaking when I don't have clear evidence of people's intentions.

Anyway. I'm going to stop here. Honestly I regret some of the things I said, and wouldn't pull through with me attacking anyone for no real reason. That's not me.

BE I'm new, so I don't know much about you. The comments made are from past experience on other games and just my own opinion on the surface of events. You helped out a lot too in ways. Gave me lots of pros for low prices, and I thank you for that.

Blackeyes, I'll take you up on that offer - alsadius@gmail.com

And yeah, that's an interesting revelation. My instinct is to be snarky, but I suspect that'd actually wind up making me sound like a jerk if I did that here, so I'll let it be.

. . . . .. .aaaannd you're now subscribed to a multitude of all sorts of bizarre material ! !

(I think it may be best to private message e-mail addresses rather than drop them out here)

It's not my main email, it's an old one I keep around mostly so I can avoid giving out my main email in situations like this one. I've been on the Internet a while ;)

Have you been on the Internet 'awhile,' or is all the Internet all over you ??

Is there an 'awhile,' or is time merely a perception??

Perhaps there is no time, but there is motion . . .

Can time be measured by a clock, or is it synchronized motion of hands on clocks ?

What is measurement but observation of perceptions of illusions ??

What if the clock as you "see" it is an illusion but a dense vibration of energy wavelengths that resembles a clock to an observer?

Do you actually "see" anything or is that merely a translation of photonic to electronic forms of energy vibration??

What if there is only one energy and all vibration is merely different forms of itself ??

What if there are no different forms of energy but different perceptions of forms of energy?

Is energy observing itself through different perceptions??

What is the Internet but pathways of wavelengths of energy?

If wavelengths are motion of energy, and time is an illusory perception, does the Internet resonating back and forth into materialization for observation?

What came first the Internet or the observer if there is no "first?" or "beginning" or "end" of a singular yet complex resonating wavelength of energy that only appears to be a combination of energy at a scaled down level of observation??

Did the energy materialize the observers?? Are the observers but sensory instruments for the energy???

When you look into the Internet does the Internet look into you??

What if I told you there is no Internet ??

Have I had too much to drink tonight ????

What if "I" is "we" and "you" are "we" and "we" are "I"

Have you had too much to drink tonight ? ? ?

To Zen,

There is no need to apologize to myself or BE, or anyone in this game, for any reason. What happens in this game is purely fictional, and doesn't / shouldn't affect us in any way in real life. I've said before, having tit for tats or 'banter' should be seen as a way of bonding, in some way, not being overly aggressive to one another. If people want to get overly aggressive, do it properly. Message the country explaining why you're annoyed etc etc and what the solutions are, or else. But yeah, again, there's no need to apologize.

We've both said things to one another, and i'll refrain from accusing or poking.

I went with the info i had from Aries, which started all of this business of tit for tats and losing respect. ***Now that BE cleared it up, i take it all back.*** Who knows, maybe in the future we'll go from a negative perspective to a positive.

Everyone benefited from that war that BE did, but i guess in hind sight, yourself and Zentrino benefited more with countries, assets, professional, corp cash etc. Not to mention the stored country cash. I didn't have an issue with you either, not before all this confusing business. It all started with this, and hopefully it will all end with this.

Thanks. I am an important player. (lol). Seriously though, not one person that plays this game, isn't an important player. Some more than others. What i offer are the baby steps to teen steps, keeping them out of prison and drugs. What yourself and economic knowledge players give is the training and jobs at the end. If we don't all gel in some way, it'd be like pouring 50 tons of chip-pan fat down a sink pipe with water. It'll block everything and nothing will get through. Think of the pipe being a stream of knowledge.

You helped me near the beginning of my return to this game, and i thank you for your knowledge. I look forward to reading more guides such as yours on the beginners forum.

New year, new slate, who knows what can happen.

Nice try Sunny, the info I had been giving you matches the information that Blackeyes posted. In case you missed it, read the things that he said:

"But before i left Aries was going to be my final prize or final loss for good"

"i started moving stuff to LU to get whatever i could from him"

As, I said before, again and again, what he said was a mixed bag of reconciliation with Zen and Zentrino coupled with words and actions that showed the war was simply hitting the road for another world. As I said before, it was a confusing message that did not resemble any type of settled peace or "bargain".

The stuff you had been posting was fiction made up in your own mind. Luckily, out of this, I learned who I can trust. As I said before, you and Tony made a big mistake.

ha ha he said "real life"

what's that ??