Race baiting for political gain (Fearless Blue)

I've got my money on the one pointing the finger and yelling, as more likely to be racist. Stop this kind of talk Solomon, it is highly offensive. No one is a racist here.

I'd like to think he is illustrating the absurdity and political BS of labeling people racists simply because they do not agree with another person.

How are you so sure that nobody here is racist Nanna?

I understand taking that position by default, it's fair, but here we have people speaking what they believe.

I think it is more accurate to say, Nanna doesn't like to hear people call others racist.
I don't either and I don't use the term lightly. I will not justify it even though I easily can even to the point of standing behind it long term.

I am with you though, I would like things to tone down a bit and thus far I will admit I haven't gone out of my way to keep things chill.

I think you recognize the nature of the discussion though. It is among one of the most heated topics that can be discussed.

We as a people have a long way to go but at least we're moving forward even if we're on our bellies clawing at the ground to do it.

(Why does Solomon ALWAYS double post? Sheesh)

We are, in all likelihood, about ready to wrap this discussion up.

If it's going to be real healing then it should be real.

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Jimmy Carter! I always suspected he was a racist. Good cover, accusing everyone else in the country of being racists.

LoL, ?Jimmy?, he's no racist. . .

Solomon, I'm not lookinf to point the finger, or call you out, sorry if it appears that way. ?I've been called racist by a player I once had a personal disagreement with. We have since wrapped that nonsense up. I admit at the time that it was one of the most hurtful accusations brought against me. This being even more ironic because my husband is a (minority?) of two races, Hispanic and African American. He was also disturbed when I showed him some of the things written on the forum about me. I am now at peace with this individual, and that individual has been a vital part of my development as a simC player. I am glad we are on good terms. That whole fiasco had alot of players upset on both sides. I'd like to see that scenario avoided, if possible. It won't be that fun once it gets serious. It is easy to hurt someone, but near impossible to heal the wounds you cause.

Calling someone racist is not necessary here, (though) it is the topic of this thread.

If we are going to get personal about all this though, I suggest we all just start thrwing decs and keep it in game than have this BS going on.

Just my opinion, any takers?

Hmm, I see a slap in the face of people who REALLY do experience REAL racism. Using it for your own political gain is deplorable and I will never stop believing this. Giving it to a government to control it's own people is damnable.

Yet I still agree with you. The chance of anything changing in a positive way because any of it is remote.

Yeah, I'm fully aware that this has probably caused 'cold war' in game, I don't mind, I have no problem treating it like having a "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad" of my very own! Got to admit, the roll play would prove to be a bit interesting. lol

A problem I see is that even though someone may not be racist, they will refuse to reject racism because of their own pride with whom they may be discussing it with.

Would it be so hard to say?- "if what you say about Margaret Sanger is true then that's horrible, but I question your information, I need more facts before I just jump on your band wagon".

Why is it easier to construct false arguments, deliberately confuse, deliberately frustrate and attack rather than deal with the actual issues? I believe it's a way to hide from the truth being presented. I also believe the best way to avoid it is not to wrap yourself up in it instead of attacking those who may or may not have provoked a negative emotional reaction by exposing certain behaviors. Why would we ever do this if we ourselves believed our argument honestly had merit?

In no way is this an argument against anyone. This is in general. This represents so many people on the net that if any must take it personally, then just form one line here.

Finally one more problem, and that is Solomon's lack of sensitivity to other people's resistance to change and recognizing that even if HE thinks they are wrong they have the right as a human being to stay exactly the way they are if they so choose. Unless of course they are hurting others.

I will take a bet that if people look into their hearts honestly, they will find that they are probably racist to a greater or lesser extent.

Of course it all comes down to how one really defines racist. And obviously only Caucasians are racists it would appear - no way Black or Hispanic people could possibly be

There is a lot of posturing and point scoring in this thread I think

I'm just wondering who is willing to back their BS up with action. Without question, I am. What bothers me is that while this subject may be worthwhile, it is made up of disgustinng content. Making a point "in general" is cool and whatnot. But to turn it into a personal insult, because someone will not "say it for you", "right now" is crap. It doesn't belong here. In game insults are totally welcome in my book. I'm not scoring points yet, nor am I looking to. But in common with simC tradition, I will continue to play "as the forums turn" to the best of my ability.

Now again, who wants nukes up their arses? LMAO

Now we are actually getting somewhere. What is the point of these nonsensical newsflashes?

Helloa Kali.
I think you mean racialist don't you?.
I hope you do anyways.

Racist: Hostile or oppressive behaviour towards people because they belong to a different race.

Racialist: The belief that some races are innately superior to others because of hereditary characteristics.

Leave real life outside of the forum and play the silly game....Or I will return and smite everyone in this thread and rename their countries something humiliating.

Look the LU weapons market is green

Buy, buy buy! Sam needs to cash out you bastards~!

/me shakes fist at room.

It's funny you should go there Nanna...

I was thinking at work today how you tend to hold me to a higher standard than others. I mean, REALLY thinking about it, as I tend to do.

Now, you may be going into the denial phase already(lol) but hold on!

You do, and I've realized that you are not wrong about it. (don't make me prove it, this isn't an accusation)

My own integrity tells me:
"But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."

See? since I knew more, been given more, more was required of me. This is why I am wrong and this is the truth. (someone should have said "where's the love brother?!")

I should be farther along than I am. I know the love that is displayed in the last link I posted yet it hasn't been exercised, this is my short coming. I know the attack tactics of the 'philosophically guarded', they should have been expected and my responses should have been different. (I don't know why y'all won't watch the videos, you missed the grand dragon of the KKK loving his neighbor of color as himself)

Honestly, I find most of what you say without merit and probably a defense for friends, only you really know. I don't believe anybody should have a problem condemning the actions of Adolf Hitler for example and if I'm in a discussion about race, yes, that becomes important. And refusing to do so... well, do I need to go on? what does it speak to you? ...and if it's not speaking what I think it is(should) couple that with a denial that Nazis were behind concentration camps and that it's just YOUR paranoia.

If someone murders call him a murderer.

If someone repeatedly steals call him a theif.

If someone refuses to acknowledge that murder is wrong that says something about their views on murder and murderers.

If someone refuses to acknowledge that stealing is wrong that says something about their views on stealing and theives.

The worse the crime gets the easier it should be to condemn... unless you're asking Charles Manson to condemn brainwashing with LSD.

(this isn't only clear to me? right?)

It's as I told you, I am willing to stand behind what I said. Do I think I'm actually dealing with a full blown racist here? NO, I just think some folks are too prideful to do the right thing even when they already know it's right. I mean, I commented on an obvious racial abuse. I'm not going to go around claiming anyone is racist but I also don't see anyone interested in clearing the matter up either.

Will I take it back?
I don't know, maybe, maybe not. It's a racist view. If the author stands behind it, then of course not.

You know...?
I swear, I really wish people would watch the videos, I come home to posts with the definition of racism in it. If they got watched we would realize that there are HUNDREDS of definitions on racism and it can be made into anything you want it to be. Hence I will always bitterly oppose this idea that state descent is racism and I don't believe I need to stress the word bitterly.

ok... everyone suspend your love until the weapons market recovers! THIS IS AN EMERGENCY!!

LOL sam this game is real life, it's a real life game with real life people in my real life computer


(he was typing while I was typing... I HAD to post twice!)

Thats funny Sam.
Especially as YOU started a thread about freedom of speach in RL about 10 months ago.

Freedom of speech is essential - it is a responsibility as well as a right. Dosent have to mean say whatever you want to say.

And nix, petty point you made there don't you think? Racist/Racialist - they seem to be used interchangeably, and tell me honestly - have you ever heard anyone use the term Racialist? I cant recall ever hearing it. If I did I probably dismissed it as an uttering of some random pretentious wanker

From a world of reign they come...

In a world of mammon we have found it all!
Fighting for pride and for gold.
But the key to the reign, to the ultimate control:
wisdom of the old.

We have been elect to drain the wine
of Gnosis to hide it and pray.
Got to save our children from the beast.
We are on the way.

Remaining in darkness
the land of salvation will drown.
And when we'll have vanished
slavery will take your freedom down.

Seven eyes to be blind forever in time:
Sign of the cross...
Hell arise! Castigation under the sign,
sign of the cross
make us drown in altar wine

Ahmen.

Kali. I was talking to Sam.
And No. I don't think it was a petty point to bring up the difference between a Racist (which you seem to have everyone down as) and a Racialist.

You said: "I will take a bet that if people look into their hearts honestly, they will find that they are probably racist to a greater or lesser extent."

BULL. Maybe they are Racialist, but not Racist.
Anyone one can think they are better than another, but to oppress some one because you think you are better than them is wrong. The term Racialist should be used more often as I would say most people are Racialist. Only a few pussies out there are Racist.


KALI...................GO ON!!!!!!!!!! CALL ME A PRETENTIOUS WANKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking at these post makes me come to the conclusion that there's 3 types of people is this world "those that lead", "those that follow", "and the black sheep" example let's say the leader walks off a steep cliff to his doom the others will follow but, the black sheep seeing this will go the other way alone.

For "broad is the way and wide is the gate to destruction" and "Narrow is the path and small is the gate to salvation" amen

actually I was talking to Solomon Grundy nix

But now you mention it.
Have you ever heard anybody use the term racialist? Just because you think people should use that term more often dosent mean its going to happen does it. However, I took the time to check WordReference.com English Dictionary - and guess what, terms are used interchangeably.

and what is this I see; capitals and lots of ..... and !!!!!!!
Gosh nix I dont have to call you a wanker, I dont need to

You know Kali I almost left a comment about that too:

Do I remember correctly...? ah yes, I agree, freedom of speech is not absolute. For example, yelling 'FIRE!' in a crowded theater when there is no fire is a crime. Inciting a riot is a crime also. (at least where I come from)

Well I agree Solomon Grundy, was what I said about freedom of speech being a responsibility as well as a right.
Goes hand in hand with people being responsible for their own actions.

I'm a wee bit pissed

Kali. So why say Nix? Anyway, the terms are not used interchangeable. One means one thing and the other another. Your a self confessed Racist. I eat people like you for breakfast. The last one I came across........well lets just say it was a proper Job.
Please tell me your a male.

To Neidy:

Re: Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 08:57 pm
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Sorry Solomon, I was working on corps for my brother in law who plays the game and posted off his game site by mistake(Winston Churchill). That is my post, not his. Didn't want you to get confused. This disussion is so interesting, I actually forgot to go to my own page!

My reply:

I ALWAYS KNEW YOU WERE A MULTI! ha ha ha ha

PS.....you are calling Solomon a "dummy"? OMG don't project images of your self onto other people. tsk tsk

Dont be pissed nix, just accept your nature - be like Moses when he said to God "I am what I am"

I can see us having a neverending argument about somthing petty here racist / racialist. Well actually we arn't. You are I am going with my experience & what I have read, so you can do whatever you like.
And why do you want me to be a male? Are you gay or somthing?