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The New Little Upsilon Order: Fact vs. Fiction

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SweetPea
12 Dec 2012 10:36 Link
Hello I am SweetPea. Many of you remember me as Psycho_Honey. Other know me by my real name which is Wendy.

Since Jack Septic had to leave the NLUO due to his own convictions, I am now taking his place as Secretary of State. I will be doing things a bit differently than Jack did previously.

I am your new Liaison to the New Little Upsilon Order. As I understand it, many of you are curious, others are skeptical and maybe even a bit suspicious. I am here to address your concerns, whatever they may be.

I ask that you keep your questions short and to the point and easy enough to answer in a simple way. So as not to create a thread of essay posts.

It is my understanding that there have been quite a few misconceptions posted about this organization. I am here to assure all non members of LU and other communities thinking of joining the world of Little Upsilon that the NLUO is not some secretive sinister organization.

The NLUO is an inclusive, democratic, and well needed organization to promote and stimulate player interaction and to foster a state of robust growth for the world of Little Upsilon.

If you have any questions or concerns feel free to post here and I will respond as soon as humanly possible.

Regards,
SweetPea

NLUO Secretary Of State
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Crafty
12 Dec 2012 12:32 Link
Do the NLUO intend to interfere in any manner with players who opt out of their govt system?
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SweetPea
12 Dec 2012 12:53 Link
Although I would like you to be more specific on any manner, I will try to answer your question.

"Not that I am aware of."

Of course there will be circumstances that would have to be taken into account on a case by case basis.

The NLUO is not an aggressive organization. Players can opt in or out without fear of reprisal.
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Crafty
12 Dec 2012 13:07 Link
Any manner, any manner whatsoever. No ifs buts or exceptions.

As secretary of state, "not that I am aware of" is not an answer at all.

A yes or no answer will suffice thankyou madam secretary.
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SweetPea
12 Dec 2012 13:25 Link
I will refer you back to my closing remarks then Crafty.

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The NLUO is not an aggressive organization. Players can opt in or out without fear of reprisal.<!-/Quote-!>



I hope this closes the matter.
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Mizore
12 Dec 2012 13:42 Link
Why is Stephen Ryan, a well-known, aggressive, and prolific asset raider, your Secretary of Defense if the intention is not to use the organization as an excuse to asset raid players?

Why are you, someone with a history of making excuses to asset raid players, the Secretary of State if the intention is not to use the organization as an excuse to asset raid players?

What wars is this organization designed to prevent given that two of its leading members are themselves responsible for a majority of the wars against other players on LU in recent history?
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Crafty
12 Dec 2012 13:58 Link
Madam secretary.

You requested concise, precise inquiries.

You seem unable to answer my question.

I ask another question:

Is there any point to asking questions of you if you cannot answer them in a straight manner?
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SweetPea
12 Dec 2012 14:27 Link
I'll be out for a few hours and will respond to your questions when I return.
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Carthaginian0
12 Dec 2012 15:21 Link
Why do the Secretaries think that because they are Secretaries, they can declare on whoever, whenever they want? I didn't sign up to be a pawn. I signed up to improve my country.
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Gaz
12 Dec 2012 15:45 Link
After this appointment im regarding this as a declaration of war on me by the NLUO.
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Kiss_of_Death
12 Dec 2012 15:50 Link
I quote:

"Why do the Secretaries think that because they are Secretaries, they can declare on whoever, whenever they want? "

I will answer as I am a real life Secretary at the executive level:

BECAUSE I CAN! AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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King Hezekiah II
12 Dec 2012 18:35 Link
Brother Gaz. Not to Worry. Secretary Wendy has made it clear that we are not an aggressive organization, but if you talk the talk, you need to walk the walk. I am sure Secretary Wendy will not Arbitrarily attack you. But If you consider this to be a declaration of war on you, then that is your right, but we have not officially declared anything.
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Gaz
12 Dec 2012 19:49 Link
Im sure she has Hezzy. Take my advice, trust nothing she says. She's a lair. A good 1 though so be on your toes.

Hezzy your allied to my enemy so what am I to do? I have no choice but to take you as a threat to me.
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SweetPea
12 Dec 2012 19:50 Link
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Why is Stephen Ryan, a well-known, aggressive, and prolific asset raider, your Secretary of Defense if the intention is not to use the organization as an excuse to asset raid players?<!-/Quote-!>



Because the NLUO is an inclusive organization. The NLUO does not Judge or dictate how players play or should play at this time. Steven Ryan is a member of the NLUO. His actions were of his own accord, and within reason given the threats and posts being made by Crafty and Josias. Those players were using war rhetoric. It seems that Steven Ryan answered the call of one half of the two mentioned. Next question.

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Why are you, someone with a history of making excuses to asset raid players, the Secretary of State if the intention is not to use the organization as an excuse to asset raid players?<!-/Quote-!>



Redundant question. I'm not sure why you asked the same question twice. Your statements and accusations have nothing to do with the NLUO. Next question.

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What wars is this organization designed to prevent given that two of its leading members are themselves responsible for a majority of the wars against other players on LU in recent history?<!-/Quote-!>



Well, the NLUO is certainly not designed to prevent wars started by external instigators. And although the NLUO has many goals, like preventing wars, the NLUO is still a growing work in progress and will not realistically be able to accomplish all it has set out to do in the near term. Get serious. Next question.
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SweetPea
12 Dec 2012 19:52 Link
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After this appointment im regarding this as a declaration of war on me by the NLUO. ~Gaz<!-/Quote-!>



No one really cares what you consider. The NLUO has not declared on you. You can take anything how you want to. Bottom line is, no one cares.
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Gaz
12 Dec 2012 20:03 Link
They will.
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Gaz
12 Dec 2012 20:10 Link
I know you dont care wendy because you wont loose nothing. Hezzy remember that. She risks nothing whilst she paints a big target on your back.
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SweetPea
12 Dec 2012 20:11 Link
Yea, it is all my fault lmao...
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King Hezekiah II
12 Dec 2012 20:28 Link
Brother Gaz, If you would just alley with us, and stop fighting us, it will be better for all parties. I will not attack you if you attack with a war dec. I will not pass an executive order. Although rumors of war is not a good thing to bring to the table because there are members who will dec just on the rumor of threat. I think you could be a valuable asset to this government because you said your self you brought a lot of players into the game. we could use that mind of yours in our growth. I hope you hear reason Brother Gaz.
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Kiss_of_Death
12 Dec 2012 20:48 Link
@ Wendy's quote:

"Because the NLUO is an inclusive organization. The NLUO does not Judge or dictate how players play or should play at this time. Steven Ryan is a member of the NLUO. His actions were of his own accord, and within reason given the threats and posts being made by Crafty and Josias. Those players were using war rhetoric. It seems that Steven Ryan answered the call of one half of the two mentioned. Next question."


My Response:

I think Wendyloo, that the NLUO is doing just that in this instance - dictating to others. Please explain this statement to me and please point out how this is not dictating.... "The NLUO governs all of LU." This is what Hezzy is telling players like Josias, Mizore, and Crafty. This is what is upsetting them.

You think Blueserpent would not be opposed???? He would say "F... Off". ha ha ha ha Just saying.

I'm curious, because you are an independent player. Does the NLUO govern you????

I think it is wrong for new players to be misled into thinking that if they join LU that they will be "governed" by the NLUO. I don't see this in any of the Sim Rules about that world.

You have not been present for the discussions in chat. I have. I advised Hezzy that his "word choices" are what is stirring up players' passions and opposition.

The message I'm getting from the NLUO is they want to war. Hezzy left players the other night, that the opposers' concerns would be considered. It was followed by a war dec. Well so much for diplomacy!

The NLUO is NOW coming across that they want domination of LU. You KNOW that players will have issue with this. This is as bad as what I campaigned so heavily against by the Wild & Co group. Bullies!

I was actually in favor of such an effort as the NLUO was promoting, but I think some lines have been crossed.

I am now leaning towards this being a decided effort to create havoc on this world and to stir up some war. Not that I'm opposed to that. We need some excitement. But if this is a serious endeavor, The NLUO is coming across tyrannical and probably needs to rethink some things. I personally at this time would not support it.

Also, why is Steven Ryan acting on his own if the NLUO is a cohesive effort? Again, I am confused.

To Gaz:

Who are you? I dun respect "old" players coming back under new names and attacking. At least have the ummmmmmm "balls" to say who you are. Only then would I put any stock into what you say. Just saying.
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SweetPea
12 Dec 2012 21:03 Link
You asked too many questions at once. Can you point out which of the 3 are most important to you, or start back with the most important, and after I respond, reply with the next important one and so on. It would make the q&a much easier to follow.
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Kiss_of_Death
12 Dec 2012 21:08 Link
Question 1:

Please explain this statement to me and please point out how this is not dictating.... "The NLUO governs all of LU." This is what Hezzy is telling players like Josias, Mizore, and Crafty. This is what is upsetting them.
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Kiss_of_Death
12 Dec 2012 21:10 Link
Question 2:

Is the NLUO not a cohesive effort? If so, then how can Steven Ryan decide on his own to issue war decs?
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Gaz
12 Dec 2012 21:12 Link
Kiss of death im not some returning player you's all know hiding under a different name. I dont know any of you's from before. The only name I reconise from the last time I played is Laguna. Other than that you's are all new to me. You decide what you like I couldnt really care to much. Obviously it be nice to have your respect but I wont loose any sleep over it.

Gaz
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Kiss_of_Death
12 Dec 2012 21:16 Link
Questions 3a, b and c

Given attempts at diplomacy the other night in chat with Josias and Mizore and Hezzy's alluding to that some agreement would be forthcoming...

a. Were discussions presented to all of NLUO?

b. Was there a vote that was agreed on by the majority of the NLUO for this war declaration?

I am rather concerned that Hezzy alludes to an agreement of sorts and then just hours later a war dec was issued. Seems inconsistent with the impression I was left with the other evening.


c. Who all voted Yes to war and which of the nations voted No?