W3C - War Missions and war levels (Little Upsilon)

i find it rather manipulative to let a level 0 attack a level 10 or the other way around. i say a 2 level cap should be set. Make it interesting to for Example...

Level 5 vs Level 5= Immediate war no stand off

Level 5 vs Level 6= 12hour stand off
Level 5 vs Level 4= 12hour stand off

Level 5 vs Level 7= 24hour stand off
Level 5 vs Level 3= 24hour stand off

Maybe a maxim of only a 2 level difference that why the skill are somewhat similar. If your both level 5 your skills should be equal and you should war immediately. If your jumping either higher or lower you skills arent equal. Giving you a chance to boost defenses or boost offense. I believe there should be a cap like 2 to prevent misuse as well as once you obtain that level you are permanently that level. Maybe make a level you have to be in order to war a president. Level 3 that why you have had enough battles under your belt to understand the concept.

(all my levels where based on a 0-10 level scale)

If you are a newb, war level 1 or 2, no way are you going to be able to engage in C3 warfare, you wont have the knowledge or assets to do so, so that arguement is moot. (excepting of course resetting your account or multying - cheating).

I still reckon the best thing to do would be make all wars you engage in count toward your war rank, so there is an increased difficulty in C3 warring the more you do it. After a couple of C3 campaigns, you will have to start taking high level C3s to fight C3 wars, making in not viable.
Meanwhile you are encouraging the genuine new players to learn and use the war engine.

Guys, lets not make the mistake of letting one persons actions sway the overall long range goals of our our game.

Crafty 'I'll shut up now' Cockney.

I concur Crafty, however when one person absorbs an exorbitant amount of many other people's game (fun) time with BS it becomes something that should be addressed. In addition, this really isn't about just one player but more the general trend towards c3 warfare that has occurred over the past year, it is definitely not only one player doing it, in fact, there just was a 4 player c3 only war on WG which has been widely talked about and it was done by a group of players with plenty of talent and assets. This will become the norm instead of the exception unless limits are put into place, no one wants to risk their own assets when others are not willing to do the same *but* many players love to fight and take countries from other players, c3 warfare is the logical conclusion to that conundrum.

The system has to be corrected and this is a perfect opportunity to do so, it is completely reasonable that if high level players can not attack players much lower than them, low level players should not be able to attack players much higher than them.

Can a player's war level rise and fall, as their game level currently can, or is this a one way affair?

I believe it's a one way deal but that's a good question Jojo, I didn't even think to ask about that.

How scripted was this bs... "in fact, there just was a 4 player c3 only war on WG which has been widely talked about and it was done by a group of players with plenty of talent and assets."

LMAO translation: After pretending they(the mob) disbanded, The MOB scheduled a scripted c3 war with Chrysostom(super butt kisser) that was intended to look real in order to highlight how c3 wars , or lack of, is not in the interest of the mob, with the sole intention of, again try to manipulate the gamemasters into changing the game to suit their liking and more favorable to them so they can further consolidate the powerbase they have established.

So transparent its offensive.

"widely talked about? lmao, same four or five players posting everywhere else, lmao I guess you can say that was widely talked about.

What needs to be talked about is you logging into EO's account to fight, which is a real deterrence to the war game because people have always known it was happening, but you (WB) saved everyone the trouble of the accusation/proof cycle by admitting to it yourself.

Tom, can we stop this already. EO was involved in this nonsense before that triggered you to announce it being forbidden in the first place. Seems to be far more of a problem than c3s. I know personally Jack Jones has since left the game since they were both logged into EO's account during that war. It has to stop. I'm not even asking for a harsh reaction just another warning, that EO needs to fight from his own account, and WB needs to fight from his account. Thanks.

Even if that was the case, which it is not windbag, you still couldn't take his country even if he isn't log in. Pathetic really how you confess to be able to take anyone of us, or I'll deal with you later" replies, and yet you've hid in wp since you started playing this game 2 years ago. Come out of wp already. You can talk the talk but you can't walk the walk.

You should re-ead your posts before you post them and you'll see how pathetic you really are. Everyone else already sees it.

Keto you are wrong. Whiteboy said in the White Giant thread that his brother was logging in from his computer. You are out of line on this one. I recognize a friend sticks up for friends but if Whiteboy admits to it like he did and the Gamemasters say to stop then something should be done about it. He even once accused DTA of multi play. I think that is very bad of someone to accuse another player of multiplaying but he is logging into Eo's account, that is against the rules and you cannot deny that much. She even posted the same thread Tom spoke on. I know you don't like Wendy but that should not excuse what Whiteboy did.

Also in the future please do not generalize Wendy with anyone in DTA. DTA is in no way allied with Wendy although she isn't as bad as you all make it seem. No offense Wendy.

I also was around when Wendy nuked you keto 50 times all your countries were ruined for a real month of time, you were about to cry and then she stopped because she had compassion for you, but you call her the worse names no wonder she is going to nuke you again, I don't blame you for having War Protection. But you have to admit she has more ground to stand on because you have only one enemy and she has many. You are spamming the same old line it is getting boring watch you call her nasty names while you and your fed talk like that to her. I think you really don't want to fight her unless all of your friends will be able to help and sneak attack.. DTA is tired of building over and over. But she did kick your but, and Serpent she nuked so many times and EO also. WB was the only one not to take more than one nuke.

lol hordo lol

What needs to be talked about is you logging into EO's account to fight, which is a real deterrence to the war game because people have always known it was happening, but you (WB) saved everyone the trouble of the accusation/proof cycle by admitting to it yourself.

Tom, can we stop this already. EO was involved in this nonsense before that triggered you to announce it being forbidden in the first place. Seems to be far more of a problem than c3s. I know personally Jack Jones has since left the game since they were both logged into EO's account during that war. It has to stop. I'm not even asking for a harsh reaction just another warning, that EO needs to fight from his own account, and WB needs to fight from his account. Thanks.

Hordo, no wonder you people dont know how to fight. She did not nuke me 50 times and she did very little damage to my countries, and I was never about to cry, because windbag never had a chance to take anything from me then or now. I got tired of chasing and taking worthlessc3s.I am not scared to fight her alone as I am not afraid to fight anyone else in this game.

Wendy gets what she deserves for making stuff up and stretching the truth to make herself look better. Which by the way isn't working.

Message me in game, I'll teach yo how to play econ and the war game and maybe you'll see things alot differetly.

Ok, you're right, it was 56 times really. Don't lie Keto you were crying.

I'll pass Keto. Nothing personal but beyond not liking you very much in general I wouldn't ally myself with someone who talks to certain people like you talk to some people. Plus you lie so much I wouldn't listen a word that comes out of your mouths. You guys story changes like I change my underwear - everyday. Stop assuming that 5 people greater than yourself have not messaged me with how to play, I don't need you to teach me anything. Maybe you think your story is the history, but I watched she nuked you at least 50 times no exaggeration you may not want to look bad but be honest that is why I cannot ever be your friend you have a hard time facing reality how can you teach someone how to play both sides of the game when you got nuked that many times. Don't put words in my mouth I say it how it went down no reason for me to stretch the truth here.

Hordo, you really should do some research. No one was nuked 50 times, fallout posts monthly, it isn't new nukes. Also, you don't understand the system or why that can occur nor do you understand that nukes are a pretty minor part of war. This is somewhat shocking to me as you've seen me take 25 or 30 of your countries while barely firing one and I've watched you guys repeatedly try to nuke unsuccessfully and you guys are yet to do any meaningful damage to any country. I get that you don't like us, that's fine, but the bottom line is that no one has more experience under the current war engine than we do and we know what we're doing. You choose to ignore that because of your dislike and listen to Windy who is completely clueless at war. Stating that 5 people greater than Keto have msgd you about about how to play is pretty ridiculous and whoever it was that messaged you either doesn't know how to play the war game or you don't know how to listen because 10 decs on a country from decent sized countries didn't land you one real shot, war index never moved below 80 and it started at 87.

W - I never stated that I am logging into EO's account. I clearly stated that my brother (who I trained in 15 minutes about how to destroy you because you suck so bad) has been given EO's account while EO is away from the game dealing with school. My brother lives with me and I can document that information in any way the GM's find necessary. Bank statements, mail, licenses, whatever they want, we'll provide if asked by the GM's. There is no rule that two people living in the same house can not play Simcountry. Many people do it and I thought this would be a great time to bring my brother into the game, he has some free time and as are most people, is much smarter than you so it doesn't take him much time to learn how to kick your ass like everyone else has.

Anyway, now that you idiots have hijacked a thread that was a great conversation about a rule change, why don't you go back to doing what you were doing before, wasting your time thinking about how you can beat people who you dislike because they are better than you without ever doing any work to get any better yourselves.

Good day

WhiteBoy I don't need to do any research I saw the whole war I know you like to tell people what they can or cannot think but I have two eyes to see and I report what I saw. You are selfish andself centered enough to think what you have to say is the only thing that matters but Keto was nuked more than 50 times, it is funny how you and your crew have selective memory, nukes are pretty useless if you nuke c3s but I counted as all ketos countries that were unprotected shed more than 10 million population each I would not call that a a useless part of the game. I know what I saw I don't need some big mouth telling me different mind your business I was not talking to you. I didnt really trust the advice given me but I should have wendy was telling me the whole time to take down the air defense first I thought it was impossible waste of time but she did it all by herslef more than 140K interceptors. so it was my fault for not listening. The only tperson that is ridiculous is you I hope the gms do something about you loggin in to fight from two accounts from 1 ip address. It doesn't matter if you have a brother or not who is to say it is not you? I can provide info for up to 10 people does that mean I should be logging on to someone elses account to fight? No Tom says it has to stop I wouldn't be so proud and loud mouth you may just have a surprise coming yet. Making someones identity does not prove anything except that 1 IP is using the accounts. Clearly against the rules. I don't think the whole game should be held accountable to a set of rules while you get away with breaking them. Your IP should be banned from EO's account that is bad for the game to continue letting you do that. I can make 10 more accounts and say my cousins want to play but will it not be obvious that I only want to multi?

You call people multi player yet break the rules and that is bad for the game becuase no one can know if it is you or not. Even if you have a brother it proves nothing the obvious is that your ip is governing two accounts and tom clearly expresses that it has to stop.

Hordo - Get a clue, there is nothing wrong with two people playing from the same household.

Make 10 multi accounts...what difference would it make? You guys could all be one person from what I know, I don't care. I'm sorry that you believe that the right course of action is to just let a friends country get shot at for 3 weeks...I happen to think it'd be better if my brother took care of it while staying within the rules. It doesn't take much.

We don't need to multi account in any instance. You are the only one who takes the game that seriously.

There is nothing wrong with two people playing from the same household. But that isn't the case here.

One household is playing two accounts. But one is established and your 'brother' doesn't own his own account. So you mean to say EO will not be returning and your 'brother' is keeping that account indefinitely?

Your brother cannot take care of it without breaking the rules, becuase he isn't even a player in simcountry. Saying you were taking care of it would even sound better, even though we know it is you, but even still, 2 players may not wage war from a single account. And that is exactly what you are doing.

So Tom, can I wage war from managed accounts? If so I'll drop it right now and find some accounts to manage.

Owned as usual idiot.

Keep crying, what difference will it make?

You have been crying about getting me out of WP, according to you I'm controlling EO's old account, so you've got a country out of WP...what can you do about it? Nothing...we all know that...no surprise there.

My brother has been kicking your ass...deal with it...stop crying like the incapable idiot you are.

You want me out of WP, I want you out of the game. Make me an offer backed up by an independent source, whoever is left gets to stay, whoever gets wiped out is gone. Simple enough...I'm willing...we all know you're not...but throw me your latest excuse. I'm sure it will be ultra exciting.

I think Wendy has brought up a valid issue that should be investigated by the gamemasters. The Post that she pasted from Tom is pretty clear that what Whiteboy is doing has already been forbidden. Maybe they haven't checked things out, but it would seem logical that this has been going on for some time already but the Gms may not have had the time to check.

Surprisingly Wendy has not asked for a ban or other form of punishment. She has only requested that W3c prohibit the abuse of the account. That sounds very reasonable and given the fact that it is already prohibited , it should warrant more than a warning. Good for you Wendy.

I do have one bone to pick however. In hindsight it looks like WB and The Mob actually planned to do this as a strategy from the start of the time they put on WP. Place all their countries in WP and take turns fighting fight from a single account and replenishing Air defense repeatedly in neighboring countries. What coincidence that all mob members are in WP, a single country remains out of WP with out even a blackout period. But EO had to know he was going away. All his other countries have WP, I don't think that was a mistake. This looks very planned and/or deliberate. If this is allowed to continue it will be abused too much. Now everyone will have a 'friend' play the game and "taking care" of each others accounts. It is unfair and should be stopped.

I've said my peace, I'm going on my way out of the game so feel free to ignore my opinions.

bump

This is to clarify:

Attacking a country with a president:

Attacking a country with a president will be possible if both are at the same level.
No attacks on countries in lower levels.

Attacking countries which have a higher war levels:

The jury is out on this one. We cannot just allow this as you will have silly wars with beginners but I don't see why we should not allow a level 10 war player from attacking someone at level 12. Both are very experienced and probably the attacker knows something others don't and decides to go to war.

Empire wide:

War levels will apply to entire empires, not to single countries and they will not be inherited on other worlds, with different war rules, players and possibly increasing differences.

Can war levels decline?

We don't think so. If you know how to fight, you generally don't forget. You can decide not to fight but when you do, do it against players at you knowledge level.

Playing other people accounts

We can make the effort and start monitoring IP addresses and logins. We can forbid logging into accounts that are usually being used by players with a different IP address.

I am not sure the problem is wide spread and we would like to spend our time doing other things. If needed, we will implement it.

Thanks for the clarification Tom. As far as attacking players with higher war levels, I don't disagree with your example as both players are experienced and I don't think that is what many players are concerned about. What we are concerned about is other players keeping their war levels intentionally low so that they can acquire c3's cheaper and with little effort and avoid being attacked by higher level players, then using those c3's to dec higher level players, i.e. level 1 attacking level 10.

I guess the question would be, how high are war levels going to go? The game news states you'll implement up to level three and c3's up to level 5. Will it eventually go up to level 10? or 20? or 30? The top level that can be achieved would largely play into how much higher level a player could attack. If it is only going to go up to level 5, then I'd say 1 war level (level 4 can attack level 5), if up to level 20 then it should probably be 3 or 4 war levels up.

Hope that makes sense.

As far as the ip addresses, just to clarify, if two players live together (which I'm guessing is fairly common, roommates, husbands/wives, family members, etc.) are they not allowed to both play the game? I can't imagine that would be the case and what it looks like you are saying is that if accounts are being regularly logged into from multiple ip addresses then that is an issue, but if the account log in is consistent then that is not a problem.

New War Upgrades:

1) Will there be any army size limitations based on country population size and size of economy?

2) Line of Supply - This game warps reality when it comes to logistics and line of supply for the troops. Some type of logistic formula needs to be added.

well, as far as the level 10 versus 12 thing, i think that any one that can be attacked by a player, should be able to attack that player. what i mean, is that with your example, both a 10 and 12 are experienced, so why couldn't the 12 dec on the 10? of course you wouldn't want the 12 to attack a 6, so the thought here is that their should be an up and down window... not being able to look at it from W3Cs perspective, i couldn't tell you what a "fair," up/down window would be...

and a second question, in the event, that a level 10 declares on a level 12... would the level 12 be able to use another country to counter dec? it would make sense that once the level 10 starts the war, the level 12 should be able to counter with more than just the one country. otherwise, in many cases the higher level player will be a sitting duck.