This is why I'm so proud of the world we live in (Fearless Blue)

fair enough. thanks for the conversation

sorry, i don't accept that there is only one human interpretation of truth.

Thank you for being polite

Truth is fixed. It is not affected by what you or I choose to believe. Truth stands in and of itself and doesn't need us to believe or disbelieve in order to exist. If we see the truth for any other thing than what it really is then we do not have the truth, we only think that we do but the TRUTH is that we don't. lol

The examples are endless.

Here's just one. I choose to believe red means go and green means stop. I believe this as hard as I can until I am completely convinced. What is the truth? What will happen if I choose to behave on my belief that red means go? Will the world magically change to conform to me or will I not have the truth and be going against the grain of traffic when I get out there?

We can pick and choose what we believe but we can not choose what the truth actually is. Even if we change the meaning of red and green to make them conform to our new 'truth' the truth really is that red did mean stop and greed did mean go. Unchangeable.

i was concerned that you left for good. that would be a loss for both of us. i'm not concerned with whether we convince one another of something but that we create new meanings out of the conversation and that we respect one another.

even though i believe devoutly in God, Christ, and humanity's dark side, i don't know for sure of that being truth. it works for me and for many others. but i know that those concepts have resulted in the death of millions throughout the centuries, because we latched onto dogmatic beliefs that were considered TRUTH and resulted in devastation for millions. but that applies to almost all ideas that we latch onto TRUTH, whether religious, political, or even sceintific. i strongly believe that there are truly evil people in the world, but even those persons are sometimes historically rehabilitated by revisionist history. ex--Hitler, Stalin etc. i certainly agree with you "we only think we do but the TRUTH is that we don't. lol"
i haven't seen Matrix in some time but when presented with a red pill or a blue pill, i would choose neither. that too is a choice, but i ask myself, "who made Fishbine god?" are there other choices? and why does one way give enlightenment while the other gives eternal slumber?

i tend to view reality through the lens of universal myths. this comes out of the writing of Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell, who speak of certain myths being universal to cultures. ex.--the myth of Parsifal in search of the Holy Grail. Parsi sets out to find the meaning of life and ends up at Grail Castle. at one point he is asked "who does the Grail serve". either not having the answer nor wanting to look stupid he says he doesn't know. he then sets out on his quest to find the Grail with it's salvation, enlightenment, happiness, etc. after many years, he returns to Grail Castle and is asked the same question. viewing multiple realities on his journey he now answers that the Grail serves "the Fisher King". he spends the rest of his life in the place of beginning. no definitive answers, just bliss and service to the Grail and the Fisher King.
this story and theme are carried out throughout cultures. the answer to the question is always a mystery to always be embraced without a need for certainty.

Oh yeah, Solomon? I would like to see you refute this evidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

the most boring 3:33min in my life. jeez, i've been Rick Rolled. leave it to LG. how many times for you LG.

Dammit, Parsifal, you didn't had to ruin the surprise for Solomon! I wanted to rick rolled him so bad... I will take solace in the fact that I had at least one victim. The Fates adore me, so I've only been rick rolled once.

/me looks at Parsifal and notices "you fucking bastard, you've ruined my conversation. I want compensation" look on his face

So... to add to this conversation...

I once bought a conspiracy book, thinking it was a novel. I noticed what it was as soon as I started reading, but I kept reading it as a novel. Got sick of it around chapter three - the book was drenched in frustration. Even so, I thought that if this guy had committed to write an actual fictional novel in its conventional molds, he would have done well. This was a first and last.

For the God thing, here is the latest spark the portuguese nobel laureate lit this week:
http://www.the-news.net/cgi-bin/google.pl?id=1033-10

Wheres page 2?
I need 2 C page 2!!!!!!!!
Or is that it?
Dam. I hope I hav'nt just been rick rolled(what ever that is). Its Sat night for F*&$s Sake.
I'm gonna have to read it again to see if I'v missed some thing

no, we needed a break from the mental masturbation. anyway SG probably didn't get it. i bet he's got it on a loop.lol

as to the noble laureate--we don't want to take him too serious. he probably got the award for what he's going write. and we come full circle to border c's post. i personally am thinking about proving super string theory. do you think they'll give me the prize?

nobel*

I bet you'd get a Nobel Prize if your perfected Silly String Theory.

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It's really not healthy to watch Rick for that long.

Silly parsifal, string theory is old hat, 'M' theory now old boy, what...

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."
Richard Feynman, Caltech commencement address, 1974

@SG i wish i had invented Silly String. i bet the guy has made a mint.

CC-- my head hurts from listening to Rick and you want me to contemplate Feynaman? but i agree with his statement.

actually, i'm more into the Holographic Paradigm. all human perception is Holograpically generated. and i'm not on lsd. lol

@nix-- did you find page 2. it's definitely better than page 1.