By the will of man (Kebir Blue)

Here we go. This should make America and Britain a bit of cash. I just hope the Jewish know what there getting themselves into.

I really don't know what you're talking about...

But at least you said "Jewish".

Did you see that big arms shipment to Israel?
That should have made us a bit of cash (Every little helps)
I wonder how the arms dealers are going to survive now that Obamas President?
Come to think about it.....I wonder how Britains gonna survive?
Grow your own Veg (Every little helps)
Just don't get too stressed when the snails, slugs, caterpilars, worms and birds eat some of your crop. It's just life.

do u work nix

Tree Surgeon. Why? Do you?

you ever fall out of any ? :-) and yes i do (contractor)

Not yet............Touch wood
There has been the odd time when I thought I was going to die, but hey........what a rush ;)

Contractor, nice. What do you prefer? Sniper or up close and personal?

To resuscitate capitalizum, it's looking like we are going to have to suffocate the future generation's means to survive. Is'nt it about time we realised that desire is'nt worth the risk and that capitalizum, as a force to live by, has become unsustainable and unworkable?

if you could fellate yourself youd disappear.

There's always the hope.

The was to resuscitate capitalism in the US is to kill corporate gains tax's, lower income tax's and maintain infrastructure. This is the best way to put people to work. Also we don't need the big drain of military bases in over 150 foreign nations. Slash the pentagon budget that invests in completely backward projects while maintaining the benefits of vets(I'm one so I'm looking out for myself) and those who chose to stay active alike.

Any hows that's my opinion, I fail to see how these bailouts or whatever you want to call them.
Private investment encourages growth but the big guys with cash won't invest if all the profit potential is gone because of of overbearing tax rates.

Yooper

"To resuscitate capitalizum, it's looking like we are going to have to suffocate the future generation's means to survive. Is'nt it about time we realised that desire is'nt worth the risk and that capitalizum, as a force to live by, has become unsustainable and unworkable?"- nix

A monetary system can only grow and expand so much. then it will collapse upon itself. Everone knocks socialism, that is mainly due to media brainwashing on the subject.
Cuba has thrived for many years. Socialism can work.
I'm not saying that socialism is a cure all. I merely wish to point out that a Greed powered system such as Capitalism, can only grow to a certain point closely followed by economic ruin.
Sum say that that time is now and the global monetary system is falling apart.
Capitalism has worked for a few hundred years. But now it's time to try something new.

Ha! Time for yearly repost I guess?

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Why Socialism? by Albert Einstein

This essay was originally published in the first issue of Monthly Review (May 1949).

http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einstein.php
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PS Do not bother to call me communist or socialist or idiot. I'm not Albert Einstein

Cuba has thrived??? Are you nuts, when did they become an economic power... what is their GDP per person, like $12,000 how pitiful. The only reason it is that high is because of of remittances from those living abroad, and the government slowly allowing more and more capitalist business.

The reason for this mess falls square on the back of the Average baby boomer American who allowed our Government to set up FM's then privatize them while still using them as a tool of the Legislature forcing them to buy bad loans because they were from minority poor. Hell we all fucking know they should never have been issued, but we financed groups to force the loans to be made. (Acorn& others) The alliance between these groups lobbyists, and the big boys in Washington, along with the fucking Ceo's of the FM's makes by bowels want to churn all over the pavement. Thanks God their are maybe 25 decent men in Washington or the situation would have been all the more grave. Call your senators and tell them to vote against the bailout... see if they listen if the don't... vote them out. (or even better lock and load, I'm not serious boys, but it has crossed my mind)

From my shrine view in the Northwoods,

Yooper

Profane, but accurate.

Government Bureaucrats and Politicians + Idiotic Business Execs = Disaster

The US combines the worst of business practices with governmental manipulation/coercion to create most of our economic problems.

Just because the US system has some serious problems does not excuse Poobah's comment that the Cuban System is superior to ours... I mean if he thinks it is I encourage him to move there, don't more our economy further in their direction I pray to you, all... all of you, don't push us closer to a communist scum hole.

From my shrine in the Northwoods,

Yooper

A brother of mine (see Dirt) has been to Cuba. If you consider these facts you'll see they aren't doing that bad - a)they get slammed by hurricanes every year b) an ancient U.S. embargo and various attempts made by the U.S. to destabilize the nation.
After all this, Cuba still offers Free College and health care to it's citizens.

"all of you, don't push us closer to a communist scum hole."

Communist or capitalist, they all smell like the same shit. Money. No matter what, that is what churns the gears of repression and social abuse.
Thus stated, maybe we need to stop the Socialism v. Capitalis arguement and create a new system that helps elevate underprivalaged people and retain full democratic process.
Obscene personal gains and greed would have to take a side seat.

/side note- Read "wealth of Nations" and you'll see my beef with Capitalism.

"Wealth of Nations" author please or ISBN? Thank You

Also I have not been to Cuba yet, although I almost hope I get to see their situation.

From my shrine in the NNorthwoods,

Yooper

Adam Smith. A primer on free market economics. 18th century.

I'd agree that history shows us that every political, economical or social system was overcome. Every empire, every power fell sooner or later. Seems, nothing lasts forever.

On the other hand, if any of us "knew" what is the next "thing" to come we probably wouldn't be posting here and playing this game, but petting our Nobel medal or women of doubtful character or both

Personally I have hopes for democracy with strong elements of direct democracy, unlike the kind of representative democracy we know and have at the moment.

"I'd agree that history shows us that every political, economical or social system was overcome. Every empire, every power fell sooner or later. Seems, nothing lasts forever."

There's a term for this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist

All that is will inevitably cease to exist. Empires rise and fall like the sun. Laws are passed, laws are revoked. People are born and people die. Society, however, exist as long as we do and it is slowly evolving.
Any Student of history can tell you this. We will adventually get it right.
Trust me- Society is a whole lot less messed up than it used to be. We still have misconseptions and bad habits...but we don't burn witches or lynch other ethnics over superstition and ignorance.....for the most part.

I personally believe we are in the early stages of a new order of things. Wether it be good or bad, we will soon find out.
I bet you a nickle the next evolution of Human Society is near. 10yrs tops and we will have a new perspective of life.

Cuba is so wonderful in fact thousands of people have risked their lives in shark infested waters to escape the workers paradise.

Odd perhaps they are just ungrateful of the wonderful system Castro has forced allowed them to live under.

The Cubans are no more forced to live under Castro's rule as we are forced to live under our supposed Gov'ts rule.

/me hands Austia an inner tube.

/me points South. Cuba is 90 miles that way. Start paddling.

Sorry we don't have a secret police to try and stop your escape. I will throw rotten fruit at you in simulation.

A. I live in Oregon. The nearest river leads to the Pacific...not very cost effective.

B. If we had a secret police we wouldn't know about it...hence...secret.

C. Dirt has spent a significant amount of time in Cuba and it IS NOT as bad as our Gov't says it is.
They are #1 in the world in Medical response and have the BEST in Hurricane response..in the world...Way better than ours. /see Katrina

/me hands tube back to Sam.
Start Paddling