STOP KILLING THE CHILDREN (Kebir Blue)

Ok, now you will all hate me. I am with shooter on this, no matter who he is thot to be. I am pro-Israel by choice; I am not of the chosen people, but I support them. Hamas is a terrorist organization that should be exterminated as long as they keep on with their hideous ways. Call me a zionist, i dont give a sh!t.Israel is a bastion of democracy in a sea of dictators and terrorists, and must survive. They bend over backward to not offend the international opiniion (as if that actually matters). Death to terrorists of any stripe, enough is enough!

Israel is NOT a democracy. They are an apartheid regime that thrives off of division. And The founding of Hamas can be traced back to the Israeli government. Much like Al Quada(spelling error) and the CIA. They created Hamas so they wouldnt have to agree to any ceasefire and they could take over gaza and whats left of Palestine. Its all Imperialism, and its bad for you. Too bad its the children and the innocents that will suffer.

Here everyone who supports Israel. read this http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10456.htm

If Israel keeps pushing settlements into Palestine, where are the Palestinians supposed to go...? Just a simple question really. Not argumentative, not being anti "Zionist" etc.. I'm really asking.

Gaz this isn't just some regular game..... It's special

It's been two days now that Gaz made a very serious allegation Andy and I would expect some kind of reaction from the GM. I'd like to know if you are Shooter and, if you are, why (the why goes to everything). Thanks.

I am Pro-Israel for more than obvious reasons but also because I analyse both stories, both backgrounds. Right now Israel is winning back the media, that is good. All those who argue that Israel is placing settlements and they are illegal... I don't see them doing anything harmful... On the contrary, they move professionals to the frontier and the Palestinians aren't being forced anywhere, or they can move to the other 3 Arab countries bordering Israel. Or to other, numerous Arab countries surrounding the OTHER 3 I mentioned, instead of trying to keep a failed state alive by using force, through a terrorist organisation.... I agree with Maclean, they are not just a bastion of democracy, but a bastion of progress in a Middle East holed up in violence, backward customs promoted by Islamic Governments and most of all intolerance for minorities and people who don't think like they do or follow the Quran (in Islamic States, not the entire Arab World...).
I don't think they created Hamas, its absurd... If they'd want to invade the Gaza Strip they could do it and annex it with or without Hamas... The Palestinians are better off as Israeli citizens anyway and all of you know it.
Oh yes, and the current infrastructure in Gaza is supplied by Israel, electricity, water... etc. If I were Israel I would cut it off those terrorists, but thats just me, Israel is being rather soft to an enemy threatening its territorial integrity and national security. I would like to see a peaceful end to this, a Federal State perhaps. If Palestine ends up being independent or not, it will be economically supported by Israel, always. Christians are doing fine in Israel, I assure you... Only issues with safety that can actually threaten your life in Israel is terrorist bombers, FROM Hamas or Hezbolla. Israel is the front line to a growing flood of extremist muslims currently flowing into Europe.
Is it me or is this a Europeans vs Americans thread? I despise anti-semites, Shooter so far is right, Andy or not.
The Dome of the Rock is safer under Israel than it ever was under any arab country.... Israel prohibits Jews from entering the mount where the Dome is located, I hope that leaves that clear and doesn't appear later on in this argument. If there are occasional clashes with police its because Palestinian Arabs... Throw rocks around because they are unhappy about Palestine.
There are extremists and nationalists in every country, that is wrong, but this problem was brought upon by the Arab World, not Israel, what a way to kick someone while they're down, fresh out of the holocaust, and the arabs (Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Syria) try and unsuccessfully gangbang the newly created Israel, ridiculous. The Israelites are strong. Nix please explain to me why the Arabs and Palestinians (more specifically) rejected the UN Partition Plan of 1947-1948?
*sigh* Together, a Palestine-Israel State would be very rich and would certainly move other Arab countries to progress too.

So you admit you want to see a mass exodus of Arabs from Palestine or maybe an Israeli facilitated relocation of Arabs? You said they should move to another Arab nation. Your words. They lived there for about 1900 years. They should move?

Sure. They could pack their Mercedes SUVs and go to Gstaadt for the summer. It's so cool there this time of the year. No snow though.

The term anti Semite is used to stifle debate. You cant say anything against Israel's war crimes or your labelled an anti Semite. Nobody wants that label so they say nothing. It's a very effective way of keeping people quiet. There's no denying there commiting war crimes, but whilst they control America nobody can stop them. Israel is systematically wiping the Palestinians out. To the point where they got them fenced in like animals. But its alright Israel supplies them with water and electricity. That's nice of them after they've stolen there land and destroyed there livelyhooods. No doubt they'd love to cut off the water etc but that would cause an international shitstorm. See it's ok to blow people up but to starve them to death is a different story. Crazy world we live in. The Palestinians have every right to resist there own extermination.

and so do the jews, for several thousand years, they've been beatn, insulted, and treated poorly. I can only think of one other culture, the Gypsies, that has survived with out a traditional home land. In America, the native Americans are slowly loosing their own culture, even thou they've been given reservations. I admire the jews ability to be jews, no matter what, it is an amazing attribute.

many people have high lighted the facts above, its not just a question of IF the situation was reversed, the Arabs would be meaner to the Jews, when it was, they where. It was pointed out above, that all this martyr syndrome of the Arabs, only disguises their own vicious agenda. And the Europeans don't really have a history that gives them any room to judge. Neither do the Americans, for that matter.

I suppose Israel should just sit idly by while rockets are flung into their territory? I'm pretty sure any other sovereign nation would respond. Its Hamas and only Hamas, they had the option to begin building the nucleus of a state when Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 but they decided to turn it into one big rocket factory...

But there not facing extermination are they? They have the 4th biggest army on the planet. All with high tech U.S weaponry. Not to mention 100's of nukes. Plus the backing of the united states. Nobody can touch them.

Having been persecuted for thousands of years doesn't give them the right to then go the same to others does it? If anything you'd think they be more sympathetic to persecution that anyone. But no there doing the exact same thing that was done to them.

If's but and maybe's. The facts are it's the Israel's doing this to the Palestinian Arabs.

Killing by either side is a crime but there needs to be some perspective.

No Khome, I said that moving to the other ethnical and culturally similar Arab countries bordering Israel is always an option "or they can move...". And the Jews have lived there for 3000+ years? Why should the Jews have to deal with them, when they as a people have survided oppression in their own homeland from Ancients, Romans, Arabs and later expelled to Europe and elsewhere abroad? And now that they finally had a humble strip of land in Palestine, several thousand years later, were attacked by four other countries? I am not saying to bring down the Dome of the Rock and build a Third Temple, I am pointing out how unfair this is, considering how the Israelis have so much respect for the diverse and culturally significant sites in Jerusalem, respect lacking in former entities that have controlled the city and area in the past.

But why do you and your group keep avoiding the 1948 UN Solution question? Is it too hard to admit the Palestinians and surrounding Arabs caused the conflict that today has reduced the Palestinian Territory from what was agreed to by the world (and rejected by the arabs, including Palestine), to the current Gaza Strip and (Israeli) West Bank? What Orbiter has pointed out is a highlight. I don't hear Germans complaining about how their territory was reduced to what it is today (or launching rockets to France over Alsace-Lorraine or to Poland over Silesia so they can get it back), because it was us the contributors and starters of the conflicts that brought us consequences in defeat. The Palestinians should accept defeat in a conflict they started (eliminate Hamas) and live in Peace once and for all.

The Palestinians aren't being exterminated, that is absurd.

Gaz, the jews have a history of being on the wrong side of an extermination war. it wasn't right then, but it never caused the world to come to their aid. now that they are on the giving end, they are again, receiving the same treatment,

it just that this time, the anti-Semites, can't burn their houses, and steal their resources, and they are rather butt-hurt about that

when Popeye downs a can of spinach, and clocks Bluto, no one says "poor Bluto," unless ofcourse Popeye is a Jew.

now i don't mean to say that genocide is good, either way. how ever, their is a saying

"Those that fail to remember the past, are doomed to repeat it"

The jews have been the targets of more racial hate, from more directions, that any surviving culture you can mention. even now, when the Arabs have the opportunity, its clear they don't want to co-exist, and it takes a minor miracle for them to agree to anything that leaves Israel in a stronger position. frankly, i don't see the Israelites as having much of a choice here, with their backs to the wall, and the WW2 holocaust as an event from the modern world history

No one said they were facing extermination but what country with the ability to respond would tolerate missile attacks? And I think Israel needs all the high-tech US weaponry cause if they didn't it'd be open season on them.

I know the saying Josias. Meaning if we don't arm ourselves we'll have done to us what was done before. But now there dishing it out, it's ok.

Ever asked yourself why the Jews where hated wherever they went? Are people just bigoted and hate others for no reason. I don't, So I looked into why. Boy did that open a can of worms.

For my own sanity I'm withdrawing from this thread.

good enough Gaz,

I said there facing extermination. People don't like that word but it's where it's heading. Prob take a while to kill a few million but they'll get the job done eventually.

dude, you said you where done, i like you, i'd rather not push you, i'm happy with just disagreeing,

but i'll tell you what, i'll look into some of the things you said, i just perused a wiki article about jewish history, i know very well how things can be slanted to favor one side or the other, so a simple article isn't enough. i'll read more, in fact, PM a link you'd like me to read, like one at a time

Don't push me then. I'm sensing a little hostility here so no. Go find it yourself. You wont find it on wiki. I get the impression your not open to any opposing information anyway.

Has any of you even been there for God's sake?

Christos- lol best answer yet