A Prediction

If you want to worship a rock then thats fine. Just dont pick that rock up and throw it at me.

The same can be said for this. If you want to be gay then be gay. Just dont force it on everyone else.

And if a mans not gay, hes not gay. Dont keep trying to talk him into something hes not.

Kasper ... tell me one thing. Where in the bible does it say that it's an "abomination" to be gay?

I mean, which book, which chapter and which verse? Please enlighten us ...

Jo

@Lord Lee,

I'm homophobic? Ahahaha I'm gay myself...

Quotes Crafty:

"And kisses shoes are a fearsome weapon, be warned."

Is Crafty trying to tell peeps that ma feet stink or something??? ha ha ha

Okies, I'm over and out for a while. Y'all be good.

Leviticus 18:22

Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable

Leviticus 20:13

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

( Now the word detestable is also translated into "having commited an abomination in some books " ) Rather it uses abomination in every translation or not, its still very clear homosexuality is wrong and in the harsh days, they were even killed for it.

1 corinthians 9-10

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans

25 Because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, Who is blessed forever! Amen (so be it).

26For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one,

27And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another--men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution.


The Bible also condemns incest and having sex with animals. But i guess in a few years this will be accepted as normal too. Instead of having a next generation, we'll have gay men who cannot reproduce. Brothers and sisters giving birth to deformed children, and men screwing goats and dobbermens. Thats a world we'll all love to live in right? I thought so. It also condemns having sex during a womans uncleanliness time. I think we all know why. Im guessing if you people are ok with men having sex with men you must be ok with men having sex with their mothers and their pets too? Like i said, in a few years everyone will be jumping on that bandwagon after gays have their full rights everywhere.

Homosexuality is not only condemned in the Bible, but it also goes against the created order of God who made Adam, a man, and Eve, a woman -- not two men, not two women -- to carry out his command to fill and subdue the earth. Homosexuality cannot fulfil that command. It is, therefore, a contradiction to God's stated desire.

This contradiction is a severe one. And, unlike other sins, homosexuality has a heavy judgment administered by God Himself upon those who commit it. This judgment is simple in that they are given over to their passions - which means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins.

As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. They will not seek forgiveness. They will die in their sins. And, they will face God's holy condemnation. But, that isn't all. In addition to the judgment of being given over to their sin, those involved in it also promote it and condemn others who don't approve of their behavior. ( SEEMS TO BE EXACTLY WHATS GOING ON TODAY, AND RIGHT HERE IN THIS POST. )

Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross and forsaken. Homosexuality is not a special practice that is exempt from God's righteous judgment simply because they claim they are born that way, or just want to be free to love, or say that it is normal. People are born with a tendency to lie. Does that make it okay? People want to love each other, but since when is "love" the determiner of what is right and wrong? If homosexuality is normal, then why is it practiced by so few? The great majority of people are heterosexual. Are they "more" normal?

I seem to think Tom Morgana nd my freind Tommy mcintosh are good people who i respect and think are cool. If i was homophobic i defintly wouldnt be saying that. And i wouldnt be spotting a guy on a bench pressing machine.

The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he (or she) is in grave sin. Therefore, we Christians should show homosexuals the same dignity as anyone else with whom we come in contact. Don't injure them. Don't hate them. Don't judge them. Inform them that freedom and forgiveness is found in Jesus. Let them know that God loves us and died for us that we might be delivered from the consequences of our sin.

But, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don't compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of godliness and biblical truth. Instead, stand firm in the word that God has revealed and patiently love him/her biblically, and pray for their salvation. Be kind to them. Be loving. And, when appropriate, tell them the gospel.

I don't seek acceptance, if it wasn't for Tom there and even you on other topics I'd find myself alone defending my point of view. THE LAST THING i care about is what other people think, I comment because I'm interested nothing more. And simply I have nothing to prove to you. I dated a model who was in a levy commercial that I met while performing at summerfest, she wasn't big time, I then dated her cousin I met at a party who was a Kelvin Klein model, who was very big time and very crazy. This was 7 years ago. I don't need no proof, it was before the days of facebook and I have nothing to prove. Different time.

But see their is a reason you got really defensive, its because you know I'm right. You Cherish judging people. And that devil stuff I don't understand so I misinterpretted it. But as the origin of the providence eye on the back of our money was roman catholic. And the the thirteen completed steps of the pyramid represent the 13 colonies as it was around since the beginning of the nation. It is symbolic as the eye is always in a triangle and the fact the pyramid is incomplete it is a wish for the country to grow. Now you will say that they're is another meeting to it. That doesn't matter we won't agree on that so whatever. But you say things like their true and there not. You say gay is choice and it's not. You speak with such convinction but you are just blind to the reality of things. You judge though your god tells you not to. God is also not the author of the bible, someone interpretted his words and so many nonsensical ramblings were not around when god's words were put into into the book. All the signs are there if you look hard enough, you justify your own manipulation of facts, you justify wicked lifestyle, you judge people harshly, you get really defensive. Yup all the signs are there you sir a conspiracist.

Now why have a flame war? It's not worth it, its retarded the last thing I want to do is accidently tell you all the reasons that your religion is false. I simply would like you to apoligize to the people who deserve it (myself excluded) and treat people with a little more respect. Because I really don't have anything against you, I don't. My problem is only with the things you have said recently, they are insensitive, false, and you say them with no afterthought and a dangerous level of conviction, rooted in discrimination and hatred.

Thank you Kasper.

So, since you are convinced that homosexuality is wrong, because it says so in the bible, presumably you also agree that, if the daughter of a priest has sex before marriage, she should be burned to death:

"A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death." Leviticus Chapter 21, verse 9

or that, if a woman's husband dies without them having had a son, she has no choice but to marry her husband's brother:

"If brothers are living together and one of them dies without a son, his widow must not marry outside the family. Her husband's brother shall take her and marry her and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-law to her." Deuteronomy Chapter 25, verse 5.

(although I'm not entirely sure how Leviticus would see that one ... "If there is a man who takes his brother's wife, it is abhorrent" Leviticus chapter 20, verse 21)

or that, if a woman marries without being proved to be a virgin, she should be stoned to death:

"If, however ... no proof of the young woman's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death." Deuteronomy chapter 22, verse 20

(Sidenote: I've always found it strange that there aren't any rules about men being virgins ... could it be because the bible was written by men?)

Back to the point: If Leviticus is right about homosexuality, then the rest of it must be right as well. No? Or are you picking and choosing which bits of the bible you agree with?

I'm also very interested in what you think of Lot who was, allegedly, a 'righteous man':
"Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them." Genesis chapter 19, verse 8.

Do tell ...

Jo

Kasper....Your quote

"I wake up, and feel a need to change the world, but also i want to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day."

Therein lies the rub. It's not likely you will change the world. It is very possible you will still be trying to figure out the illuminati puzzle when your old and grey. Don't let it consume you.

I think you need to make a choice, change it, or enjoy it. Nothing in between.

I suggest enjoying it, you'll find out it's much easier to plan and get through the day.

@Kasper and Jo

Wow, that was amazing!!

Did the both of you have that written on your sleeves or what?

The only thing I can quote from the bible is: "Then Moses looked at the Red Sea and said Open Sesame"...

ROFL @ Rick. I don't think that's a direct quote ...

The bible is full of great stories. I'd love to know what Kasper thinks of this one, too:

"And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
And the firstborn said unto the younger, "Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve the seed of our father."
And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, "Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve the seed of our father."
And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. Genesis Chapter 19, verses 30 - 36

Good old Lot!

Interestingly enough, I can't find anywhere in the bible that prohibits father / daughter sexual relations. Even Leviticus doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Nor with Lesbian relationships ...

What do you think of father / daughter incest and Lesbians, Kasper? Presumably, since the bible doesn't prohibit them, that's ok ...

lol very good Jo and drew

Kasper, you fail to realise that us homosexuals have no choice in the matter. It's entirely chemical. If I could be straight, I would be, but unfortunately thats not the way I was made.

There isn't a choice, and I sure as hell won't surpress a part of me simply because some 2000 year old book (which I claim to be fictional) tells me to.

Good day.

You were not alone from the begining when i first said i was agaisnt it. Before you even said ANYTHING, Tom, Jo, Viper, and Lorelei all said something before you.

First, you use the word judge alot for someone who doesnt know what it means obviously. You are right however the bible says...Judge not...that you not be judged. Now stay with me here, how many times have i said i think if your gay then thats fine with me. I'll still love thy neighbor rather hes gay or not. How many times have i said if thats your thing, im sure you will be forgiving and granted eternal life yourself, because in the end i believe we all go to heaven. That it, if you admit your sin and lay it at the cross. Only those who do not believe their sinful will perish. Are you still with me or are you already trying to type another ignorant statement again? TO Judge: What Christ was saying was that, as we are incapable of seeing a person's heart or knowing his or her relationship with God, we are not to take the place of God in making judgments about someone's motives or eternal salvation. And we should be humble, knowing our own weaknesses and sins. Now since i havent said your going to burn in hell, i said quite the opposite, i havent passed judgement on to know one. Do you think i would cheerish judging anyone? I dont have time for you or those other people. Do you see me with picket signs quite like others you see? Much like the gay men and women picketing Chick FA LA right now. Do you see me throwing up at the site of a gay men? Quite the opposite again, im friends with them and respect them as long as they do the same for me. You seem to do alot of misinterpreting. You dont care what other people think you say? Then why are you desperately trying to change my mind? Why, after i said im dropping it, did you continue? Your words were, whoa Kasper im not letting you walk away. After i've done said many times what i felt and that it wouldnt change, instead of leaving it at that, just like i left it at gays should do what makes them happy, then it seems your desperately trying to get me to either agree with you, or just continue on with comments to piss me off because i dont agree with you. Your the one doing the judging here boy.

We have much to discuss but let me get this out the way. The models. Tell me both of their names. And dont do a google search and pick the first girl you see. Im pretty good at connecting dots and reseraching. And if i prove your lying about that i think it would prove you should keep your mouth closed about grown up debates from now on.

I didnt get defensive. However mostly everyone else here now is so defensive i can see the veins popping out your heads thru my imagination. I posted, they posted, then i posted again. Thats what a debates about. If i got defensive, then what does that say about you, Jo, and the others. Something i find interesting here is i now have more respect for Tom Morgan then any of you and hes exactly what this debate is about. Being Gay. How COULD IT BE I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR A GAY MAN SINCE IM SUCH A HOMOPHOBE? You say i got myself into a situation and i have to explain myself to everyone. First off. I dont have to do JACK SHIT. You people are the last thing on my mind, im just having fun here. And explain myself i have. Very many times. Oh so many times but no one will shut the hell up and be adults. Just like most gay people you keep crying and whining acting overly sensitive. Oh im insensitive, even if i am which im not compared to other stricter people....grow up and be a man!! Do you need tampons or something? Are you crying right now? Stop acting like a bitch and get on with your life! I dont think being gay is right! I think its weird! Its not something i want to ever do! I think its no better than incest! I do say it doesnt trump animal sex but thats not saying much. I dont support it! SO GET OVER IT! But im not going to injure or beat the hell out of someone for being gay! Im not going to single them out to commit crime agaisnt! Im not going to hate them, but im not going to march with them either! And since they know its wrong i think in the end they need everyone to tell them its ok! Im not gay so i cant speak for them but if they thought it was ok then why be so vocal about it and constantly ask for acceptance. If you think your right then thats all that counts! Its not like uyour unable to buy a house or eat at the same places as straight people! SO WHAT ARE YOU FIGHTING FOR? Their fighting for acceptance and until everyone in the world tells them its ok to be gay they will keep marching as if their being persecuted when no one really gives a damn what they do in their bedroom.

So being gay is normal huh? And its not a choice?
Science does not support the claim that being gay is genectic. And since i know the athiest are gearing up their sceintific facts to disprove the bible, such as you threatened Drew, lets use a little science to disprove your claims. Science shows only females can bear children by the sperm men have. If being gay is completely natural, then why cant they reproduce? If it was normal, with as long as humans existed, evolution would have adjusted the species to include the possibility of same-sex reproduction. Actually, evolution is against gays. They die off without normal people. So if Evolution and the Bible both says its not natural then i dont know where these people who know very little or nothing of science can argue with it.

Human bodies are built to function in certain ways. This includes the nervous and the endocrine systems. While heterosexual urges carry the function of stimulating reproduction, homosexual urges are not. How come being a kleptomaniac or a murderer is considered abnormal, but being gay isn't?

No one deserves an pology from me. Im the one who deserves the apology. For having words put in my mouth. And for other stuff but im not as sensitive as you so i really, just dont give a damn dude.

Im not speaking on this conspiracy stuff with you cus you barely know anything about it. Cus once again your speaking about the accepted truth of things on it and not what the conspiracy is all about in the first place. But yes, theres other things that those things can mean. Not the answers you provided. And the dollar bill isnt even entertaining to me anymore. Even tho you can fold the 20 into a plane and see the twin towers falling and the Pentagon on the other side smoking. These things are childs play to the other things in question. Calling me a conspiracist isnt exactly an insult.

Now if i hate homosexuality then why am i friends with homo's? Your really not making any damn sense to me.

You can give all the reasons you want how religion is false but you have no proof. Just shit taken out of context that athiest say contradicts other things the bible has said. You still cant answer the long leaning questions that scientist cant even answer. You think your smart, well boy im smarter. I myself have had times i lost faith and returned. I've searched for proof agaisnt God and found interesting things. Then i found things that can say those things are wrong. Im not the person who blindly follows anything without a little study time. And thru my studies, personal experiences, and thru my own heart, i find that God is real. Now do i think everyone should be like me? Actually yes when it comes to this. But do i think they will be? Not a chance in hell until their on their death beds frantically searching for a reason to be happy their life is about to end. See the fact is i been thru things in my life that makes me not only hope God is real, but also makes me believe.

Now on to Jo then a little fun after that so i can get back to my Netflix

Jo, these things are old testament laws. The same as killing a homosexual. These things are now second since Jesus did what he did. Were arguing of whether or not the bible says being gay is wrong. Not whether or not we should kill them which i think we can all agree would not be in the best interest of our own eternal souls. Back in those days things were alot stricter than these days, how you dont know were no longer under Old testament laws, idk. I think that prooves something about you tho. Today is different. the old testament was for a generation that wasnt yet saved by Jesus Christ. These days we have his sacrifice to thank. Which is why the man deserves respect and love. He died for us. End of story. These things your mentioning is still wrong, but just like the uninformed athiest your making the smae arguments.

If a preist daughter is prancing around like a little whore and having sex, well back in those days she was burned to death. She had to pay for her own sins you see. Jesus came in the new testament and payed for ours and people dont seem to understand that. God died for the homo's too. Shall they repent, then their saved. I find it odd instead of responding to things i said to you earlier, you bring this up. Im responding to everything in peoples post and no one is doing that with my post. I own their ass on certain things and they move on pissed off holding a grudge. Your not worth it. That was the Old testament, this is new testament, and very soon we will have another testament which will be different. People used to not be allowed to eat meat or pork, that was lifted in the New testament. Use a little sense now with that big head you have.

For the fun part. I almost didnt want this cus of being banned but the forum is kinda boring me now days anyway. I went almost a year without it so who cares. I do believe if im banned then others should be too. But here we go

You people think im insensitive when im alot better than most people in my souroundings. And where i grew up. Im alot more understanding than the people who i've been discussing this topic with today in person. Some of their statements....

Remember this is from others
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Reggie___I dont f$#k with no faggots.
Derrick___Why someone want they d%$k smelling like ass all the time?
Travis____I'll beat a nigga ass if they even look at me funny
Quincy___U supposed to take shit out ur ass not put stuff in it

My girls words for Drew___This man doesnt look like a models type and sounds like a guy who would fancy things in his ass

My girls words for Jo____Why this ginger b$%#h think anybody care what she think, she need to do sumn bout that big ass noggin.

Ya see, im alot more respectful, understanding and caring then most people. Mainly cus they dont care about this game and think anyone playing it has too much time on their hands. I do disagree with them on that. I think anyone playing this game has a little brains and a little ambition for power. However i didnt know their were so many homo's on here.

For whoever thinks im insensitive, know i really dont care. thats your problem, not mine. Not once have i used the word Faggot....which i heard about 42 times today talking to my friends.

I suggest you people start answering everything i say, instead of choosing bits and pieces.

We can either all agree to disagree and move on. Or you can childlishly keep arguing like kids do when they dont get their way.

Bottom line. I wont hurt anyone or single anyone out for being gay. but i dont support it. Get used to it and find something better to argue about.

I don't know Jo, a usually reliable acquaintance of mine swears it's a direct quote.

What I know for sure is, on my sleeve it says: "Don't get in tit-for-tat with Jo or Kasper regarding Bible.

Tom, thats where we disagree. I dont support the claim its not a choice or that its chemical. And neither does science. If science prooves your claim like you claim it disprooves my God, then to you and other homosexuals only i will offer an appology. I dont care if you accept it or not.
Now if that disagreement makes you not like me, then fine. It doesnt make me not like you so it wouldnt be me thats narrow minded or childish. Sometimes people just dont agree on things. Just like whether or not a movie is good. Its nothing serious, until the disagreement is something that defines who a person is. Now if your going to be gay, then my advice is too get used to being outcasted for it. It took african americans over 100 years to get freedom and acceptance. They were treated much harsher then you. And this whole gay pride thing is very new to the masses. My only other advice, dont visit the south of USA soon. Cus people down here for the most part still have to hide their preference. Google Deonte Ward, hes a gay man that was beaten to death with baseball bats. Those people, are your enimies and the ones you should say all this too. Cus im wouldnt do anything to hurt you. I'd share a beer and a blunt with you just like i would a straight man.

I highly doubt Jo knows these quotes by heart if she doesnt even know the difference between old testament and new testament laws. She googled where it says its wrong to be gay in the bible and found the same old questions that people have been using for years, then a pastor comes in explains the differences, then on to the next subject.

The age of pisces 666

lindsay and graham (its a girl) those are the names, don't remember their last names. different time

Reproduction doesn't work in your nature argument, if you want to get into genetics combinations of gentetics makes a big difference not just the individual genes past on. In addition Bison, Brown Bear, Brown Rat, Caribou, Cat, Cattle, Chimpanzee, Common Dolphin, Common Marmoset, Dof, Elephant, Fox, Giraffe, Goat, Horse, Human, Lion, Orca, Racoon, some birds, some fish, tons of reptiles, a few amphibians, and 60 types of insects all engage in homosexual activity. So I suppose their environment is gay?

And no I wouldn't use the bible to disprove the bible. I would use science to disprove your bible, however I'm not going to, to respect the religious rights that others have. In addition if you study metaphysics you will realize you can not prove or disprove anything only have reasonable reliable theories. Only in matters of induction can things be proven and that is rarely possible for anything.

I've never put words in your mouth, I simply stated what you are writing is insensitive, and mean. When you say people aren't gay they decided to act like that, it doesn't matter if you have gay friends you are telling someone who they are, you are judging them. When you decide which parts of the bible are okay to follow you are becoming a false prophet. But you claim to be one anyways. In fact your a terrorist, this thread is to insight terror.

You say I judge you, but i judge everyone, its not against any rules I pledged to follow, but I only do it because you push me into it. Especially when you only listen to half and accuse me of the same I read all of your stuff. If nothing else but to throw more back at you. You claim that homosexuals aren't that discriminated against, but if they are at all there is a problem. Now like I said Chick Filet inspired a movement to inspire discrimination against homosexuals, that is wrong if you don't protest that then what do you protest? They can't share health insurance, they have medical treatment conflicts, no living will issues, the list I'm sure goes on, but I'm not gay so I haven't looked too far into it. But as Jo pointed out the women's rights aren't equal in the bible either. 70cents to the dollar, I wish they're would be stronger movements for them as well.

Anyways I can't wait for jo to tear you apart on her reply. for now I'll just leave you with this, who was qualified to change the bible and wrote the new testament. (not proof, just curious when people I mean god decided to take a chill pill)

the ancient greeks had tons of black slaves btw

TOM MORGAN, LISTEN.... BUT FIRST

Rick, it doesnt consume me. I said that on a whole other thread i believe. I do more enjoying than changing. Cus your right its not likely i'll change the world, but i can say i may spark the grain that will change the world. Even if im killed for it. This isnt regarding homosexuality people. Theres many more things more important i disagree with than being people being gay. But once again Tom, just to be clear, i dont wish you harm. I wish you happiness. And im not saying that to get people to back off of me. Cus that, i really dont care about. I sin everyday and repent. I feel im forgiving. I always say, if you ask God for help, he'll turn you into what he wants you to be his self. Even if you dont believe. When i have sex and get high everyday, i know im sinning and i do feel bad for it. Im not a perfect Christian, no damn where near it. What your used to hearing from Christians is probally, your going to burn in hell. In my opinion, after Christ died for us, including you, he saved us. So basically, people will sin everyday, and they will be forgiving because this life isnt about gaining stripes in heaven. This life is about God prooving to us what the outcome of sin will be. He wants sin to run its natural course, cus he doesnt want to tell us what to do. He wants us to see for ourself. And just before we destroy ourself with war and nuclear weapons, when we see all the horror and what every sin leads too, then he will return to save us. You see, just because you are gay, and i believe its wrong, I dont judge you like Drew says i do. Just like i said, i know not whats in your heart. In the days of the new testament, no sin is worse than any other. I just believe sin will take its natural course with you, and that i think you may take issue with. I think ultimaltey you will see why being gay is wrong, just like people who smoke and ruin their temple god gave them, will die from lung cancer and see why that sin was wrong. Having sex outisde of marriage is wrong, because it generates jealousy and envy among the people who are second. A man is supposed to take his wifes virginity. All sin is sin for a reason, but in this time, no sin is greater than the other. Me saying your wrong, is no worse than you saying im wrong for smoking weed. We should both be able to agree that the bible says its a sin cause it does. Now me not being homosexual myself, being gay is just a sin i dont partake in. But i partake in other sin. So that makes me no better then you. That makes both of us sinful in nature. And we have Adam and Eve to blame for that. Gays can be Christians too. And they can even still be gay, and also be Christians. I believe as long as you repent and admit your sinning, then you will be saved. But just as i said earlier, most gay people believe its not a choice, and you may feel that way, but if would be straight, then whats wrong with asking God to helping you. All sin is punished lightly in this world, such as with lung disease, and jealousy. Your earthly punishment for being gay is your subconscience mind being altered by satan to believe that your right for being gay. When the Bible and even nature clearly says your not. I hope you see what im trying to say. You can make this your task for God, and say...God if your real and want me to become part of you, the take this sin out of me. And i bet you, he will help you. Just like earlier i asked God to just let my cat die and take it out of its misery, it died 4 minutes later. When me and my ex broke up, i was really shook up, i paid for my sins of being so mean to her, then when i was punished enough, i fell in love with my beautiful girl i have now. When my mother died, my dad was suicidal. I asked for him to get help, he was lonely. My dad had his own demons to fight but with faith in God, hes now married to a good Christian lady who completes him. You see, we all get punishment for our tresspasses, and best believe those people who would try to physically hurt you, will defintly recieve their punishment themselves, even tho they think their doing God a favor. Their not. Their immature, and judgemental to think they can take gods place in judging someone here on earth. You need to understand that if God wants to change you, then if you ask for help, you will recieve it. Were all faced with obstacles in life and tested at times. We are all evil. But that doesnt condemn us alone. God sent his only son to die for us, in hope that we would praise him and seek forgiveness. The event is documented to have happened, Jesus was Crucified. Do you think he gave his life for a lie? He died for us. That means you too. God loves you, and im not trying to be all holy and stuff. Im telling you the truth. Think of it if it was your real father for a minute. Think of it as your father sacrificed himself for you to save your life. Now jesus did this on a grander scale, he died for billions of people. But each individual is just as important. Its just as if your own biological father died for you and only you. So what im trying to get across is that, if you ask God to show himself to you, and really mean it. he will. Then you need to reapay him and study his book more. Then he will return that favor as well. Im not saying you may become straight overnight, but im saying if you show a genuine interest into God, he will defintly manifest in you. Now God may need you to be gay for now for certain reasons that i dont know. Im defintly not an angel to know. You heard the saying that god works in mysterious ways. he may need you to be gay to challenge you or something, that i have no idea of. But i am quite sure that God is real, and that he loves each and everyone of his children no matter how much they tell him to stay out of their life. Would you stay out of your childs life even if they asked? You being gay isnt any worse than me being an alleged drug dealer. Sometimes we have to do things in order to see the light of the bigger picture.

Cant wait for Jo to tear me apart on her replies. Lord internet geeks and their lil computer muscles. Is that supposed to scacre me? A little girl typing away on her keyboard? Listen up Little boy, where i come from, if you cant walk then you sure as hell dont need to talk lil whodi. You run your mouth on this computer but dont think just cus i know big words doesnt mean i woulodnt rip your damn head off you little punk. Stay your ass in the suburbs and listen to your guitars. Im getting about sick of you. You are lucky this is a damn forum. If Jo wants to keep running her mouth then she can but dont think just because a few overly sensitive ( word i shouldnt use ) on the internet happens to be in agreement that i give a damn about it. This aint no popularity contest. Like it or not, most of the majority of the world thinks you and gay people are down right disguisting. As i just said to Tom its a sin i dont partake in but it doesnt mean im better then him or any other gay man. Where the hell are u from anyway

lol after your latest post i'm just done with you. Stop incuenating that we're all pus$ies just because your a gangsta. I paid my way through grad school teaching people to fight and defend themselves. When I say something I'd say it to their face if i could. Being poned with words is much more rewarding, and much more civil anyways, well when dealing with reasonable sane individuals.

Holy smokes, it's been an active night.

Just want to say a couple of things before I get back to the game and find my profits have gone through the roof.

Tom, for what it's worth, probably not much, I support your post 100%

Kasper, for what it's worth, probably not much, in my humble opinion, I would think of editing that large post you have up there. The GMs may not read into it what you intended to convey.

Just let Tom read that and take what he wants from it. I am done with this conversation. I find it odd this little drew barrymore boy has dated models and taught self defence classes and made a 6 figure salary. Seems to me hes lying about alot to make himself look something hes not. I believe your a little punk who got his ass beat in high school and grew up to hate the people that did it which were more than likely homophobes. I think face to face, rather you agree with something or not...you would had ran away with your tail tucked a long time before it got this heated. I think you live in your moms basement and work at a mc donalds or something. 6 figures, yea if the zeros are in front of the other numbers. And of course you never could remember the last names of the models. I know if dated a big time model in America, i'd remember the rest of my life as would most men. I'd still have many many many pictures. I think your like half the population of internet users that pretend to be what they want to be because you dont like what you really are. I bet if i said i drive a mercedes benz, you'd say you have two. Your pretty much proven what person you are. Your the person that loves to argue on the internet cus your too scared to do it in life. Your the person that tries to one up everything and actually i do this too. Actually i dated 2 models. Actually i taught people self defence. And i find it odd you just mentioned having a 6 figure job for no reason in the gun laws post. Yea...i got you pegged now. And i study physcology more then i study illuminati