Tensions reaching fever-pitch between Japan and China

Japan vs China is a real possibility, and we all know which two other countries will be dragged into the fight (Russia and USA)

Plus there's Vietnam, Phillipenes and Malaysia all unhappy with the Chinese over the South China Sea. Looks like Eastern Asia is a new hotspot.

People of SimCountry, what are your thoughts?

Are you saying, there could be possible war against China? Whats up with South China Sea.

It wont happen. China needs the US to buy there goods and needs us to keep taking loans. On top admittedly Russia/China would have the advantage of first strike but after that a war with the US would cost them dearly(we still got a TON of bombers/tanks that are collecting dust), on top of that the US might be in debt but the private sector would start mass producing weapons and ammo very cheaply.(If the US closes shop so do they and they are in it to make money). If anything it will turn into a cold war 2 scenario.

Plus India and China are just(i use that term lightly) starting to get along. Those 2 have been in pissing match for over 1000's of year. A war would remove that. Point is all countries want to survive and non of them are stupid enough at this point in time to play with that fragile system we have now.

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I would have to agree with "SuperSoldierRCP"...The USA it could turn into a Cold War 2 issue. The U.S. has a TON of stock in munitions. I mean a ton and our weapons manufactures are in the U.S..that means we get first dibs on the cool stuff. Besides our technology is beyond any other country. Russia has the only chance to actually hit the U.S from an outside attack, and that attack would only effect Alaska..Once the first punch is thrown..I hope the other country is ready for a fight. We'll take out your country and put you in the most strenuous economic choke hold known to man. Remember we have the worlds largest NAVY...we'll starve your country to death. We'll cripple your trade. We'll "FUBAR" you

If it was to happen it would be the U.S. Vs China and Russia... JSDF is Japans only Military Organization. Kinda hard to fight a cold war without a puppet military to support....

strange seeing the red guard uniforms coming out during their demonstrations against the Japaneses embassy, I don't think we saw those since the 70s's..

ya ask me, we are being staged for another world war. . Israel, and Iran, Syria conflict with newly problems including turkey who is just dying to make a name for itself. china and Japan. china moving against aisia Pacific land disputes with many countries. world economies on the verge of collapse. nothing takes care of Dept faster then a war. we will see i guess.

US this, US that. Russia this russia that.

If China went to war with Japan, US wouldn't give a toss. It'd sit back shitting itself unless called upon. Why? China is the new superpower. Every country knows this, if they were to go head-on with any country, they have the high probability of succeeding in war.

If China went to war, India, unless called upon, wouldn't help them. If called upon, it's a triangle. China calls india, who calls russia, who brings ww3. They're the deadly circle. However, on the other end, you have, US, UK, US influence on EU. So you're looking at a balance of power everywhere. Then again, the UK would be nothing in war, it's a fact.

Anyway back to the point at hand. China can strike at anytime, if it takes out Jap, America will be it's next target, or India. They'll go two faced on any country in a second, cause they can. If that happens, India and Russia like good ol times will wipe the floor with China. India and Russia are love birds. The US would also step in and help for no doubt a 'piece' of land to settle their military on. Uk would join in cause of the US. All in all, China is a very lonely country which can be crushed. What your looking at is another Hitler situation. Cockyness, deluded, and prone to destruction.

On the chance it didn't target India, and looked towards the US... it's definitely a scary battle. Russia is building new destroyers and Aircraft carriers which are state of the art as we speak, and those would be given to China. India would try to stay out of it, because of the favours it's received from the US. However, i'm guessing if russia said move yer arse, it would. It has an obligation in some aspects. That'd be the turning point, cause they'd offer their navy and army to China. Now we're looking at some of the biggest war developed countries in the world with some scary weaponry.

However, the US, if threatened, has the ability to launch a full nuclear strike at every country opposing it. Of course once they do that, every other country would aim at the US. Their other option would be to defend their coastline. This is what they're best at doing. Their fighters are on par if not better than russias Migs. Chinas, i don't know. The US have some of the BEST defence systems known to man, which if put into practice, could be the decisive turn in a ww3. They've also got a huge unemployment rate which means they'd be outputting millions upon millions of bodies to defend that country, which patriots would do with their lives. The US has that kind of motivation. If it was forced to defend, you'd see France aiding (if they paid them) and Israel helping them. Israel is a country that owes America everything, so it'd step in immediately. Again, tech in Israel is very advanced. They'd have some heavy weaponry on their side, but i'm not sure if they'd last that long, in all fairness. Back in the days...

It used to be: -

Land power - Russia
Air - America
Sea - America / USSR

Now it's:-
Land power - 33/33/33 %
Air power - 33/33/33 %
Sea - 33/33/33 %

America, USSR, China.

It's balanced.

The US does have some heavy ground force, but it's not good enough for Chinas new tech. Have you seen their ZTZ99 :/ What the fudge. They haven't even shown half of their naval force, which is up to par with the US.

Anyway, as someone said in a above post (sorry i can't see your name lol), war is very unlikely for now. Though China can strike at any moment, i don't think it will until every piece of tech is up and running for war, which by then, who knows, USSR or US could regain the superpower title. Maybe even the UK. BAZINGA!

Any further thoughts? I love discussing stuff like this. It's interesting.

Your forgetting the 2 big underdog's in World War 3 scenario. If came down to a fight

US/ Europe/ Israel/ Japan
-----VS-----
Russia/China(Maybe India, thought they can been on either side but we siding them with china)

2 countries would join the US side and in the end win(granted it would take time but would come out in a win).

US is in military alliances with BOTH
Australia/New Zealand
They would be massive players in military support they are close enough to strike missiles into the mainland of Asia but far enough to prevent land troops from attacking. Also they would be good staging points for navies.
---AND---
Brazil
(Quote) "Major export products include aircraft, electrical equipment, automobiles, ethanol, textiles, footwear, iron ore, steel, coffee, orange juice, soybeans and corned beef."

That right there says they can in a total war scenario EASILY support the US military if they needed goods. Also lets not forget they are in the top 10 oil producing nations. So they economic would GREATLY benefit the war effort.

Again though WW3 wouldn't happen for some time all countries know the stakes of what a new war would bring and no one is ready to tip the scale yet.

I was going about the main countries that would be involved, but if we're talking about underdogs, you're forgetting a few.

Cuba, Saudia Arabia, Mexico and Iran.

Before i go any further, i don't have a grudge against the US, rather i'm just trying to predict the outcome by being unbaised.

Anyway, Cuba is already on the doorstep of the US, and is known to have been supplied heavy weaponry from the USSR. Maybe not a extensive amoount, but they have got enough to strike at the US, hard. Not to mention if they did start, Mexico and no doubt the drug cartels in colombia would aid them. Colo and Mexi don't have a good relation with the US, i wonder why... If Brazil got involved, they might become the secondary target, unless they sided with the Asia group. Granted they have economical goods, but i think if Colo and Mexi was involved, they'd be of no use. Mainly because they'd block the transport routes via land and sea, and i don't think the US is going to send a great deal of naval forces to sort that out, not when it has China, USSR, India etc etc on it's doorstep.

Then you've got Iran and Saud Arab, which the world knows is building Nukes without informing the UN. Wrong, yes, but they're doing it, and no one can stop them. In the long run, only their scud launchers and nukes would be useful. Scuds for defending the Asia group, and nukes for sending to the US and friends. It's not a lot of firepower, as nukes can be shot down early, but, there's not much else they have, that we know of.

The US however, have got more underdogs than that. Aus would aid them, but unless supported early, they'd be crushed. Look at where they are on the world map. No early support? Bye bye Aus. The US could call on France, Germany, UK, Spain, and MAYBE Ukraine. Though i don't think they'll want to be involved as Russia would just spank them and take that piece of land back lol. France have some nice helicopters and firearms that would aid the US in the war, but not much else. Whereas, just like good ol times, Germany have the Land power that the US may need. Tanks, Art, firearms and transport vehicles. Their Art is outdated, but i'm putting it in anyway. UK, only good for human resources, we have nothing else to offer. Esp are great for both Air and Land. Currently they're being used by NATO in various places, but if recalled, we're looking at approx 200k soldiers in less than a month being draw up for battle. They're Land and Air is quite impressive to say the least.

Anyway,

It's balanced throughout, no matter how you put it. Underdogs or not.

Are you kidding me , China ,U.S ,Russia or japaan have no intention of going to war . China is on the verge of becoming a massive economic super power , they dont need a war . Russia is also on the up with there vast resources , they dont need or want a war . The U.S has far to much military in the middle east which are supplied from a very fragile line , they would be cut off and lost .

If there was a war no one would win , do you really think we could beat and occupy two vast nations like China and Russia , come on get real , a lot of people would die for nothing . As for the cooment that UK is nothing , 65 million people would disagree .

According to the Bible and prophecy, there will be wars and there will be rumor of wars. These must happen and we must not worry. Well unless you are an evil person. ha ha ha ha I put my faith in God and don't concern myself with anything else.

No one said they had the intention of going to war, we're talking about the probability of what would happen if something did spark off.

China isn't on the verge, it IS the superpower. Russia is a military run country. The vast majority of it's income comes from developing arms and selling them to other countries. The US as i stated before, could / may use those measures if a war was started.

You clearly don't have a grasp of what 'winning' a war could entail. You don't always have to occupy a country for it to be a win. Jeez, research some more before you type trash like that, or at least gain some common sense.

Your last comment ' As for the cooment that UK is nothing , 65 million people would disagree ' that truly is hilarious lol. You think we're actually, influential in a war? China would flick their boogie at us and we'd be stuck for a decade lol

Sunshine, are you from the UK? Where abouts?

Aye i am luv.

Wolverhampton - West Midlands.

Yourself? UK or US?

"65 million people would disagree ' that truly is hilarious lol. You think we're actually, influential in a war? " WoW I was pretty impressed with 2 para and the marines I served with as a US soldier not sure they would agree nor I

I'm on da other side of the big pond, in the US.

No war going happen.

China is never ever going to be an economic superpower, their government doesn't have an infrastructure for a very important resource needed, labor. Those that believe they are attempting to improve it, wages have actually been sinking lower despite news traveling Foxxcon and other reputable slave labor camps. The industries inside China have had a harsh first two quarters and so major crime is peeling back even more of that infrastructure. You can't run a country where the government decides people don't need any of life's essentials.

If their was a war, Mexico would side with the US. Cuba would be a wild card, and come down to bribes. Saudi Arabia would side with the US. Pakistan would be a better projection, there economy is solide (compared to most) and have a huge manpower with a larger emphasis on the big picture over their own lives.

South Korea and Japan are the most industrious nations in the world and both on the side of the US plus the dangerous situation would force Malaysia and Singapore into the situation though they can go either way I think they would back Japan because of recent excessive trade relations. These are important to fight but can work as backup heavy fuel sources as in the past decade we had found they may have as much oil as the Middle East. They wouldn't sabotage trade relations that had propelled their economy to incredible levels.

No matter how you look at it, there would be no foot soldiers involved only attempted air raids against the US. Leading to a situation in which countries will suffer but no one will benefit. China would not enter into a war that they have 0 chance of winning. Especially since the US has 3 times the military forces, yeah that's fight 1/4 the people and 3X's military.

This is actually a really dumb situation which would not have started if any of the leaders invovled had any sense at all. China invested money to a level that can not be paid back, that's dumb. So because they know their screwed they begin manipulating their currency. Other countries should have boycotted chinese production along time ago because everyone else is getting screwed over US's involvement in production and borrowing. They are because China is also trying to eliminate cross exchange currencies. Esentially they are hedging the Won, Yen, Euro, Pound, and anything else they have against their Yuan, just not the US dollar. They are pretending all of this money is Yuan despite the fact they are devalueing those currencies and they are raising volume of the Yuan to incredible levels as well. They are heading straight for a bubble burst. Hyperinflation that plagued Yugoslavia and WW2 germany is going to hit, and all their money is going to be worthless.

China knows this and so they are merely trying to protect themselves, basically they are bluffing to save their country because of their continous flawed economic policies involved in pretending they're this awesome superpower. When in fact they are on the verge of losing their military. If any of you have any money in China I'd take it out or score big from the inflation.

Drew,

I'm not sure how you can actually emphasize that China is not going to become a superpower. It already IS. When it comes down to war, any country would sacrifice a few pennies / cents for the larger pound / dollar, thus, i can't agree on the statement 'You can't run a country where the government decides people don't need any of life's essentials'.

Mexico would NOT side with the US unless a large bribe was given. However, the US could call a clean slate or say it'd be a truce, by clearing Mexico officials from the 24th Aug 2012 shooting on their embassy vehicle if they agreed to become allies. Yes they have great ties economically, but not when it boils down to war. Cuba is with Russia, which is with China. End of discussion. No bribe could / would change that. Saudi Arabia wouldn't side with the US, unless heavily bribed. Again, they have good economic ties with the US, primarily through arms deals, nothing more. However, Saudi Arabia are in greater ties with Russia in terms of arms deals, economic ties and technical ties, which would make them a easier choice.

South Korea wouldn't get involved, they have their own issues with North Korea. Malaysia and Singapore wouldn't even get involved, not sure what bought those to your mind? If anything, they'd only supply fuel, nothing else.

I think i agree that not many foot soldiers would be involved, but i do believe China would try to establish a vast amount of bases near the sea. Air raids are most likely, and they'd be targeted at specific targets, Bases, Pentagon, financial structures etc etc. The US would do exactly the same. Erm, Drew, you do realize your info about 3x the military is wrong? lol They've both got around about the exact same size lol. The US have a bigger BUDGET, yes, but not a larger military, nor is their personal larger. Where did you pull that info from?

'This is actually a really dumb situation which would not have started if any of the leaders invovled had any sense at all'. Run for President, and let's see how far you get

' they are devalueing those currencies and they are raising volume of the Yuan to incredible levels as well' Yes they are, i'm not going to disagree there, but in retro-spec, isn't that clever?

The rest of that paragraph I've ignored as i disagree totally with it.

'China knows this and so they are merely trying to protect themselves, basically they are bluffing to save their country because of their continous flawed economic policies involved in pretending they're this awesome superpower. When in fact they are on the verge of losing their military. If any of you have any money in China I'd take it out or score big from the inflation.'

Are you on crack son? You was talking some sense until i read that. So hold on, if you've found out you'd got a huge flaw in your economic plan, you dish out hundreds of billions more, to cover that up? Can i ask how that makes sense? Wouldn't it be easier to just sort out your income first, like they always have then build their army up from there? Oh wait, that's what they HAVE done. They're on the verge of losing their military, son, just... oh i can't even bring myself to say it.

Palm, i might change my mind, if i get into the RAF as a pilot :P

Lore, come visit me!

If we were involved in a new world war then yes 65 millin people would be influential in a war ,just like they were in the last two world wars , read youre history eh .

The way i understood it , China is one of the biggest growing markets in the world , which is the reason why all the big corporatians wants in on it and the reason why they are doing so well at the present , while the rest off us are trying to stop the shrinking .

Listen, if The Cockney Army got involved it would be game over in a day.

Quote "You clearly don't have a grasp of what 'winning' a war could entail. You don't always have to occupy a country for it to be a win. Jeez, research some more before you type trash like that, or at least gain some common sense."

So how would you invisage a win would look like with a war with China and Russia ?

Quote " China would flick their boogie at us and we'd be stuck for a decade lol "

So how would they flick there boogies ? by ship , plane or car ? Show me a war that did not have some form of land occupation ? I think you are very niave with youre comments .

Quote " Russia is a military run country. The vast majority of it's income comes from developing arms and selling them to other countries."
So what would happen if they cut off the Gas supply ? To say Russia ows must of its wealth to arms dealling is simply stupid .

Haven't you heard of China's new strategic weapon?

The giant booger catapault.