Tensions reaching fever-pitch between Japan and China

Yeah, I heard about those, underwater booger torpedoes too, for taking out aircraft carriers

Lol, oi! Don't take the mickey! lol

M2M,

65 million people would not get involved in the war. I'm not sure how you can justify that, i really can't. As for the last two wars, it was the EU and US against 1 country at a time. We all know the second reason why the war was taken up by the US. I've read my history, and done the math, but thanks for trying xD

Right, i'll give an example. I despise the c*nt, but it's relative to my point. Bin Laden planned an executed the attack on the two towers, and the pentagon. The biggest financial storage of data in the world, which truely, fudged the world. THAT could be envisaged as a victory. The bombing of the London underground, could be envisaged as a victory. You're probably asking, how? How? Because they set out with a plan, executed it, and got their predicted outcome.

In the case of China Russia US UK etc etc, i haven't a clue what they'd target. Only they know that, and the outcome they'd hope from it, financially, or military-wise.

The boogies could be flicked (lol) by any means. Maybe they'd put a dome over our little country (like in Simpsons the movie) and slowly pour it in?!

I didn't say land occupations would not take place, read my previous comment. You clearly skipped parts of my text and just started typing something for no reason.

Good point about the Gas supply. Totally forgot about that! You win there.

'To say Russia ows must of its wealth to arms dealling is simply stupid.'

I'm not going to be rude, but please, don't call me stupid if you haven't done your research.

Ted, those boogies must be huge?!

who called Sunshine stupid???!!! I am NOT happy about this! *Adds them to my list!

ooh man I want to be on the "LIST"

Jan sunny is a an idiot. I'm Manager of Asian investments andhe flat out told be I'm wrong. My philosophical believes are controversial and argument is fine. But this I know!

South Korea can't do anything about north Korea because of Russia and north Korea would strike Japan first. They have thmanpower and the availability to be involved. But the emphasis is they have the ttechnology to manufacture against China

Saudi Arabia is not willing to jeapordize it's trade relations with the US as they are also important intermediatary to Europe as some counties they can't trade directly to as it would have a harse political backlash. Not to mention arms trades have been in the decline as US have been offering much superior technology in comparison. Russia typically sells to more undeveloped countries because of a failure to compete with the US. But none of that really matters because so much of there GNP is dependant on the US

I said Singapore and Malaysia would just be oil suppliers in the first place. But you need to understand the purity levels of rocket and jet fuel isn't something you can can buy on the open market

As for Mexico im sure they'd love to take bribes but with thsir location technology and standing military do you honestly believe they will mess with the US?

Cuba, Cuba's always been opportunistic if they aren't bought they aren't involved but it is true if it's against the US then it's. A much cheaper price

As for China's military... China's military is the second largest employer in the world it's second to the US military by a factor of 3. This is true. If you consider funding then it is a factor of 10. It isn't to get this source information but what is really easy to find is that the US military has a budget that rIvals the GDP of the entire country of china. As for the strength of China's economy you go right ahead and follow public opinion if you want most idiots do. I have to go back to China in about a month and I can already tell you what the newspapers will read.

So this leads me to ask w hat makes you an authority on foreign affairs?

Right.

I was being nice, now i'll just tell you simply, something that will make you keep your trap shut.

I'm a partner with Anthony Ponsford who deal in Import & Exporting as well as retailing across the world.

We're now also moving towards becoming major shareholders within a dozen high tech companies across the world.

Unless you have the facts in-front of you, keep that gobby mouth closed.

P.s. That's my response to your post, as i totally ignored the rest.

Quote " I'm a partner with Anthony Ponsford who deal in Import & Exporting as well as retailing across the world."
So what !
You would class 9/11 as a war winning victory for Bin Laden . What rubish . I cant believe u even wrote that , after all the deaths and chaos it brougth to both sides and u call that a vitory , it wasnt even the end of the war so wat are u on about , you say it " got their predicted outcome " -really , u think so , how would u know wat they wanted out off it , just to kill on U.S mainland is all they wanted .

you keep telling my to research , something you have not done or you would of been aware of this -
Russia is the world's largest mineral and energy supply and is known as an "energy superpower", containing 22% of the world's oil, 16% of the world's coal, and 40% of the world's natural gas. Very well known for its tree's, Russia has 1/5 of the world's timber and wood, no surprise. iron ore, nickel, coal, gold, diamonds, furs, petroleum, zinc, aluminum, tin, lead, platinum, titanium, copper, tungsten phosphates, and mercury are the most popular natural resources that Russia provides. Russia has many advantages, and a few disadvantages, for its very hard to mine up north rather then down south. Below are some short notes about the large amounts of natural resources in Russia: Has the worlds largest oil reserves
Second largest coal reserves
1/5 largest lead reserves
Largest reserves of water in lakes
Largest diamond deposits
Second largest potassium reserves
Enormous fish reserves


Russia's forest resources, also known as Taiga, are larger then America's mainland! Taiga contains 1/3 of the worlds timber, and is home to numerous animal resources

Russia also has a population of 142,946,800.
yet still u try and tell us that most of there wealth comes from arms dealling . It worries me that someone in youre position can talk such utter nonesense .

Quote " 65 million people would not get involved in the war. I'm not sure how you can justify that, i really can't. As for the last two wars, it was the EU and US against 1 country at a time. We all know the second reason why the war was taken up by the US. I've read my history, and done the math, but thanks for trying xD "

So Russia had no part in this then ?

A war is fougth by the whole nation , not just the Military , from the industry to the merchant navy , the nurses and docters , the police the fire brigade , the farms and fisherman including all the small boats , like at dunkirk . YES the whole population of a nation can have a large affect on a war . Really get some sense and stop talking such rubbish . Please

Ugh,

I can see this topic is going to start hurting my head. lol

M2M, that statement was meant for DREW, unless you're running a dual account, keep your prissy little nose out of it. By the way, what do you mean by 'So what !' ? How stupid do you have to be to type that, and no realize what i was corresponding to?

Right, now that's settled, moving on.

'You would class 9/11 as a war winning victory for Bin Laden . What rubish . I cant believe u even wrote that , after all the deaths and chaos it brougth to both sides and u call that a vitory , it wasnt even the end of the war so wat are u on about , you say it " got their predicted outcome " -really , u think so , how would u know wat they wanted out off it , just to kill on U.S mainland is all they wanted'

You sir, are now the most retarded person on the planet. Not only did the UNITED STATES PRESS, economists, and GENERALS say it was what he had hoped for, but so did half of the worlds investigators. You are seriously, retarded.

Sigh,

So a simple search on google helped you with that eh? Okay, here is what i know without google. Russia are the top (or second, battle with the US) exporter of arms in the world. This is both from Tanks, aircraft carriers and aircraft.
Russia is only well known for their Oil, gas, and lumber. However, they don't import any minerals, rather export them, primarily to the US. Their greatest exports in order of minerals are:-

Gas
Coal
Oil
Gold

It has many other minerals, as your little research shows, but i'll point them all out when i jump on google.

In terms of income, it's something along the lines of:-

1, Gas
2, Arms Deals
3, Oil + Lumber
4, Coal
5, Gold

Okay, now for the google research.

Russia is known for it's minerals, we know this, everyone knows this. Clearly with your research you still couldn't find everything, so i'll point them out, mr market researcher. Half of these i haven't even heard of in my life, but hell, here they are. This took me about 7 mins to find and confirm among other sites.

aluminum
arsenic
asbestos
bauxite
boron
cadmium
cement
coal
cobalt
copper
diamond
fluorspar
gold
iron ore
lime
lithium
magnesium compounds
metals
mica
sheet and flake
natural gas
nickel
nitrogen
oil shale
palladium
peat
petroleum
phosphate
potash
rhenium
silicon
sulfur
titanium sponge
tin
tungsten
vanadium

As for the minerals you said are the most popular that they provide, completely untrue. Read up on the CIA website, and the Russian Business center statements / pdfs. They say exactly the opposite lol.

Coal reserves, correct.
Lead reserves, more or less correct.
Reserves of water in lakes... where did you get that info from lol. Russia are not even close to Iceland, or Canada.
Diamond deposits, can be negotiated between Africa and Russia.
Potassium, correct
Fish reserves, haven't looked into it.

Taiga is known world wide. They're located primarily in Siberia, Canada, Alaska, North woods (located in the extreme nothern areas of the US), Sweden and few other areas. That info is researched. The fact that you said RUSSIAS taiga is larger than the US mainland, you should be slapped silly for that. It's huge, yes, but not that big.

I don't know what their pop is. It changes daily, so i'm not going to give a figure. Again, i've stated and by doing research how THEY show their income. Maybe i was wrong in saying that most of their income came from Arms, but i was going off 2011 statistics. Though, i wasn't far off. 1 spot in my little table actually, not bad sunny, not bad lol. Then again, if i'm talking nonsense, then surely what they type out in press-releases and gov. statements is nonsense too!? What is the world coming to!

'Quote " 65 million people would not get involved in the war. I'm not sure how you can justify that, i really can't. As for the last two wars, it was the EU and US against 1 country at a time. We all know the second reason why the war was taken up by the US. I've read my history, and done the math, but thanks for trying xD "

So Russia had no part in this then ? '

If i reply to that, i'm in a possible situation where-as either of my statements will be wrong, not falling for that.

Thank you for giving me a lesson on who is involved in a war. I didn't know, seriously. I didn't even know that DOCTORS would be involved, haha. You clearly don't understand what i mean't when i said 65 million people would not be involved in the war. I think you need to read the statements a good few times, before even typing. It seems you cannot register what i am saying.

As you said to me, in a truely unjust manner, 'Really get some sense and stop talking such rubbish. Please'.

Anyway, this is getting off-topic. Someone bring it back lol

That was the best you could come up with .
1- You now agree with me in that most off Russia wealth does not come from arms dealing alone . thanks

2-You now agree that the population of a nation has a influance in a world war . Thankyou agian .

3- Quote "You sir, are now the most retarded person on the planet. Not only did the UNITED STATES PRESS, economists, and GENERALS say it was what he had hoped for, but so did half of the worlds investigators. You are seriously, retarded."

I ask you agian , do you class this as a war winning victory for Bin Ladden ?

4- Why as a person off supposed inteligence do you keep resorting to such personal remarks .
Quote " You are seriously, retarded ,Unless you have the facts in-front of you, keep that gobby mouth closed ,Are you on crack son?

I think we all know why !

Oh for the love of god.

I was being civil like 3 posts before this.

1, yes i do agree. you want a cookie with that celebration?
2, *sigh* *shakes head*
3, Do i class it? Yes i do.
4, It's not personal, i wouldn't type anything personal on this game. It's out of sheer frustration that i type some harsh remarks.

I'm not going to reply to your posts M2M, it's doing my head in. I'd rather look back to what DREW was saying, as well as SS.

OK i will let you of the hook after this .

If Bin Laddens victory was to drag the U.S and its close Allies into the mother off all wars in the middle east , than it failed . He is dead , all the top men involved are dead , there organising is vstly reduced and the whole of the Muslim world has not erupted into war . The goverment that harboured them has been de-governed . It has been a hard figth and the U.S have taking the brunt of must of it follwed by its close friend us the U.K , but the 9/11 was no victory for Bin Ladden , was a bad bad mistake .he totally mijudged the reaction of the world . Surely you can see that .

Thanks for the debate and i look forwared to the next .
M2M

*added PALM to my list. MantoArms, you better be praying that I LET YOU off the hook. You do NOT argue wif Sunshine like that. Only I can argue wif Sunshine like that!!!! You are now number 1 on my list!!!! Sunshine, KILL him!!!!!

Drew, please be kind to my Sunshine. I have a soft spot for him and feel protective. But I loves ya, I would NEVER put you on my list. But this M2M person....they on da list!!!

Ok , to get back on to topic .
I do not profes to be a expert , just my thougts based on the info i think i know .

If it came to a war .
Lets but this into three stages .

1- Nukes , let us assume that if came to this then no one wins , god forbid . So assume were talking conventional war .

2- The intital skirmish with military and hardware allready in place . The intitail reaction off Allies .

3- The long term world war , Industry - how much , wat quality and how quick they can produce . The type of regruitment , numbers , capacity to train and quality . Who wwill win the numbers game .

Japan and China declare war , I dont think Russia would jump in unless the U.S does , i think the U.S would be very reluctant but any attack by China would drag them in , dont think they would have a choice , japan despite having there Military cap lifted is still far outnumbered by China , the U.S would have to offer them protection , this would bring Russia into it . North Korea would instantly suppport China , in fact they would probally drag the U.S in well before any China Japan hostilities with an attack on South Korea . Not sure at what piont Austalia and new zealand would support the U.S and Japan , but they will . Singapore would be quick to support the U.S and the Chinese would be just as quick to attack them , there small but well armed and equipt woth a lot of motivation . Not sure about the rest Phillipines , Malaysa . India would stay out of it , they will be watching Pakistan , there actions will be a direct reaction to any moves Pakistan makes . Iran would jump at the chance , Turkey , Isreal and Saudi would prob dominate the middle east in support of the U.S . North Africa -Eygept , Libya .... and not sure . Europe would be pretty concerned with Russia , any move by them westwards and a lot of countrys are going to mobilise against them , think of countries like Poland and the late East Germany , they will figth tooth and nail . phew ..... my thougths on the start .

To all of saying Russia would come for China, please explain to me why a war involving China and Japan would evolve into a Russian matter? What treaty have the Russian and the Chinese signed to warrant mutual defence/offence?

As for my thoughts on the probability of war, they are slim to nil.

I Agree , there is slim to no chance of war .
I believe Russia would get involved as a direct reaction to any U.S involvment . I have noticed a lot more mutual supportive decisions being made by China and Russia of late .
Althougth it has to be accepted that Russia and China historically have had a lot of disputes on there borders .

Thanks Lorelei I don't know the buttons for the smilies. So (super big huge awesome smiley face) in text form ;). Sorry I haven't been in the chat or haven't commented on any of your fun conversations I've just been real busy lately. I hope all is well with you. I just like these threads more.

@ Sunny sometimes I'm consciencous sometimes I'm hyped. Sometimes I try to be careful how I say things, sometimes I don't. I mean no real disrespect, but I don't think knowing volume changes or resource quanity makes you a better indicator of diplomacy, fighting ability, demographics, or a lot of things you claim.

I started animosity off the bat, so I am sorry, but a lot of your information is flawed. Russis is a poor nation relative to most of Europe and the US. It cannot keep up with the US on Weapons technology, this is a very very true statement. This problem becomes exasberrated when it puts forth some of the programs it has been doing. Taking the forefront in space is expensive. Becoming the primary researching country of nuclear fuel possibilities is very expensive also. These statements are true. The amount of money the US invests in military research crushes the rest of the world. Unless the US has to go around hunting people they won't lose a war against anyone. <- That may be an exagerration but no one country is gaurenteed. I spoke my honest opinion about the other countries involvement, and I believe in those statements. Especially that of Mexico not warring the US. I have mountains of paperwork about the Chinese Economy with China's economic situation I feel I'm more informed about there financial situation then 99% of chinese people. So I do know what I'm talking about.

It would really be nice if you didn't keep bringing my name up and yet not have the courtesy to read what I wrote for you, or what is written in direct response to your posts.

Anywho have a good day. The reality of this mess is Laguna is almost assuredly correct. If Japan and China fought, outside of supplies there would be a very small chance any other nation would sacrifice their lives or their money to get involved. In that regard I think China would win, but the devastation China would take would be astronomically and there would no question of Chinas economic fate afterwards. Too many huge population centers for China do war anyone really without losing even if they win they lose.

I can see a few different scenarios evolving, depending on who is in power at the same time, and who loses their senses first.
1: North Korea decides to take advantage of the situation and invades South Korea, threatening japan with annhilation if they make a move. China supports N Korea, always has, and will probably lend a few million troops if the war lasts more than a week.Japan, justly terrified, calls on the U.S. for protection. The U.S. writes a strongly worded letter to N Korea, suggesting that it should play nice. No response except reprisals against U.S. citizens, S Korean civilians, etc. The U.S. bombs Nkorea to the stone age, China pulls back its forces, and everyone starts breathing again.
2: It is now 2025, no one remembers WW2, and there are now 2 Billion Chinese and 2 Billion Indians and pakistanis needing "Lebensraum" (living space, a la Hitler, 1938). Russia is still largely comparatively empty, so the hordes pour across the borders wherever they can, settlers supported by the military of the respective governments. (Yes, I know India and Russia don't share a common border, but envision large populaton displacements in that direction). China's reasoning would be that it has nothing to lose, and can afford to lose 1 million people every day. At this rate, it would take many years to reduce the population to a non-viable condition, as they would be being replaced by births. And they are not going to lose 1 million every day, anyway. Russia panics, tries conventional war, fails, and nukes china, india, and pakistan. china nukes Russia, india nukes russia and pakistan (their mortal enemy), pakistan nukes everyone, and in the melee, a few missiles go astray and hit iran . Iran immediately nukes israel just for general purposes, then suicidally launches against france and germany, thereby drawing the whole of europe, and by extension, the U.S., into the mess. Israel, meanwhile, has launched on warning, turning iran into a self-lighting glass parking lot. All of Israel's neighbors join in attacking israel, and the entire middle east is soon a festive bouquet of fireballs and mushroom clouds (sarcasm alert). The war finally ends with the middle east uninhabitable for the next 8000 years, china, russia, the indian subcontinent and most of europe devastated and crippled, and the U.S and the rest of the world thrown into total chaos from lack of fuel and "cheap goods". Society breaks down, people panic and slaughter each other in the streets, martial law is declared, and civilization is set back 200 years.
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These are two extremes, but are both possible if someone loses common sense, or an accident or incident of the right magnitude occurs. Welcome to the new geopolitics, kids. Kinda makes me lonesome for the good old days of the cold war, when at least everything was predictable and the rest of the world just watched the two big guys on the block...

It's no problem, Drew. My life has turned super busy too........ plotting the demise of certain players in this game. Between that and painting my nails and deciding what outfit and boots to wear, I can hardly find time to post as well!!! :P

Drew, dun worry. I like the less "intellectual" threads, ones where I dun have to think. ha ha ha ha But do come visit me on one of MINE. :P

lol i didnt even read this and i know sunny doesnt really know what hes talking about

You leave Sunshine alone, Alexandrov Stolin. You are already on my list of those to die. I just put another star by your name. Your death will be slow and painful, I assure you!

Holy hell, i'm away from this for a day or two and all hell explodes.

Laguna, there is no PUBLIC treaty that can be looked at, or spoken of. What there is however is the RIC. Russia - India - China triangle. This is largely based upon their academic, industrial and business communities. They have already set up subsidiaries like RIC Trilateral Experts Meeting on Disaster Management, Trilateral Business Forum, and Trilateral Academic Scholars Dialogue, and held other trilateral projects and conferences in these specialised fields. It is this expanding component of trilateral initiatives that remain the backbone of their growing mutual comfort and expanding weight relative to their global perspectives and aspirations. That is what I BELIEVE would initiate the 'treaty'.

I once again state, as i said near the beginning of my fudging posts, i doubt they'll even be a war.

As you asked me not to bring up your name, i'll call you no.1, in a respective manner.

'yet not have the courtesy to read what I wrote for you, or what is written in direct response to your posts.'

Please quote or direct me to a piece of text where i did not respond directly to what you said. I read everything people write, and i respond back to them in the manner that is deemed fit, at the time, if i'm not going loco.

'a lot of your information is flawed'

The majority of my information comes from investors, the CIA database, and press releases from various companies. I do no stick to one company, i expand my search, and yes, in some cases, i randomly select companies and look at their data. If my information is flawed, then so is the information they release?

In terms of weapon tech, i never said they kept up. I was discussing the SALES that Russia makes. Information relayed off the CIA database and world press releases.

'The amount of money the US invests in military research crushes the rest of the world.'

I don't disagree, i said in a earlier post when mentioning China, (who is second) in budget, that the US is far superior. China is second. The US i think have a 900B$ gap between China? as of 2012? I'm not sure of the exact figure, but i could look it up.

The US actually have 670b$ set aside for next year, whereas China only have 116B$ set aside. Still, a huge gap, and even further ahead of Russia. So no1, i don't know why you mentioned it, when i never disagreed with it in the first place...

'Unless the US has to go around hunting people they won't lose a war against anyone.'

Exaggeration isn't even the word. Look what happened at Pearl Harbor. Shocked the world. It could have been it for the US, COULD being the key word. Before that, the US knew nothing but defeat. After, it knew nothing but victory, minus a few wars.

Yes no.1 if you are specifically involved in Chinese affairs, you will have a better knowledge about them, than i. In regards to having more knowledge than the Chinese people, i'd say that's a little OTT. As i said, my information comes from companies and reports, and that's what i currently go by. I'm not going to fly out to China just to see 'what's up' unless i have time to burn.

Have a good day, and i look forward to your reply, if you reply.

Mac, haha that post made me laugh. It is extreme but i love this part the most lol:-

Israel, meanwhile, has launched on warning, turning iran into a self-lighting glass parking lot. All of Israel's neighbors join in attacking israel, and the entire middle east is soon a festive bouquet of fireballs and mushroom clouds (sarcasm alert). The war finally ends with the middle east uninhabitable for the next 8000 years, china, russia, the indian subcontinent and most of europe devastated and crippled, and the U.S and the rest of the world thrown into total chaos from lack of fuel and "cheap goods". Society breaks down, people panic and slaughter each other in the streets, martial law is declared, and civilization is set back 200 years.

Love it lol

Alex, jump on the bandwagon with people who say i don't know anything. My information as stated to no1, is (read up). However, typing that, do you know anything about... well... anything?

Lore <3 No need to add people like that to the list, they'll eventually go insane and nuke themselves :D haha

I look forward to any replies. Good day all

War

It's war, all out war
Between me, myself, and I
It's war, all out war
Between the the needle and the eye
It's war, all out war
Between the voices in my head
It's war, all out war
Between the feathers and the lead
It's war, all out war
Between desire and sudden death
It's war, all out war
Between the woman and her last breath
It's war, all out war
Between the people clad in black
It's war, all out war
Between the love that they now lack
It's war, all out war
Between the man and his strife
It's war, all out war
Between his love and his new life
It's war, all out war
Between the heart and the head
It's war, all out war
As the man falls over dead

Claire Borges

@Sunshine, It's okay. I likes having a list... a loooooooong list. It makes me happy. :-) :P :-)

@Crafty, Thank you for sharing this wonderful, poetic representation of war, and what it's good for. *HUGS* It inspires me to kill people on my list. 'course the only thing I gots out of it is War, War, War, War, War. :P

Oooooooh were we talking about real life and not Sim life? Is Sim life not real life???? ha ha ha :P

sorry sunny like I said I didn't read it because this whole topic is retarded