Everyone please read and sign if you agree. Then I'll shut up. (White Giant)

Inanna.
MoP started by going through Email.
This game can also be about investment of time. Which is worth alot more than money. We all play it for different reasons, but the feeling of getting to a level and being rewarded for it (whether it be in athletics, poker or SC) is what it's all about at the end of the day. What level are you at?
Are you the mole?

Win the pot and don't get the pot then chat your molish chit chat.

@Solomon
Funny video, but I don't think that will be necessary.

@Nix
I didn't know you were on WG. Welcome to the party.

Nix
I am at level one. At once I can drop all my lesser countries or reduce most of them and command level 5 if I chose to. I have concluded that i would waste more GC maintaining a ceo just to achieve level 5, or maintain any other level. So, I dropped a CEO with almost 750 corps in it. It was wasting alot of my time. I have been up to level 3 on all five worlds and higher on LU.

Why does it not matter? I'll tell you why, because no one is gonna want to quit, becuase I cant get paid for levels I haven't achieved except by my own narrow assumptions. No one will want to quit the game and spread idiotic rumours on the net about it, while I sit here and continue playing. I won't try to dmamage the image of a game over some GC I technically have no right to.

Speak clearly so I can understand Nix, I really didn't understand your molish chat thing.

I know what MoP did, I was a supporter, but when it comes to this, I'm upset because it will do more damage than good. Being self destructive is always dangerous. Destroying confidence in the game of weaker minded players who read the forums is destructive.

When my 2 year old really wants something she deserves i give it to her. But if she throws a fit because I am not getting it fast enough, she may not get it at all. If she throws a fit that gets out of control, corrective action is what she'll get. What this has or is about to become, is no different.

Inanna hands out spankings

Always up for a party.

MoP, was your comment a challenge?

I'm not trying to bully you, nor could I.

It might just be a wakeup call. I take supporting this game seriously.

Nix i know you are, Im glad your back, but I would rather target people who intend to destroy this gaming environment.

And if you are thinking of joining or defending him, you can start recruiting now, you'll need more people. This you of all people should know. You've been around long enough.

I know what you are saying and I'm glad to be back. Thanks. But whats a fella to do when his words fall on deaf ears?

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Nanna, I'm the guy in the supermarket cheering you on as you're whooping ass!

I had a friends wife tell me when she first got pregnant "I don't care what you say, I'll never hit my kid and yes that means spank".

Guess what? She spanks now. lol

What did it take you might wonder...

Well, one day while doing laundry her(then) 4 year old daughter hit her year and a half year old little brother on the forehead to thrust his head back into the door he was standing in front of. Yeah, she got a spanking, it took all day because it was "come here for your spanking and if you can't come here go to your room until you can come here for your spanking".

She received the well deserved spanking and it locked it in her mind for all time that hitting is wrong.

We must do what we can to correct as much as we can. Children come out somewhat broken. As Nanna will tell you, It's not long before the 'me me me- mine mine mine!' comes out and it is an injustice to let a child carry that into adulthood to the detriment of their marriage and other relationships. You sure can tell the self centered people who didn't get the spanking they NEEDED at the age of 2.

Some folks will even tell the older children...
"Oh! Just give them what they want so they'll stop crying!" WRONG! (that will make them hold you up against the ropes by making your world miserable until you break and they get what they want, they're just as smart as you(smarter) just without any compounded knowledge.)

@Wendy

First off. I'm glad to see you renewed. This game needs to keep it's player base.

Secondly. You clearly either didn't read the whole story or you have selective memory of what you read. So I will fill in the blanks for you.

"The Levels were clearly not implemented. This was more than clear at the time MOP went for level 8."

When I attained level 7, I saw the nonexistent development index and started the poll to remove it. This poll passed unanimously.

Then...

Simcountry Game News
June 24, 2009

13. The Game level and Index popup windows [ top ]
The game level and index windows have been upgraded and include more info and also links to underlying pages.

Then...

I noticed the developmental index was removed from the requirements for level 8 on my game level and index popup window. The developmental index was listed before with a zero beside it, and since Zeba made level 7 he noticed it was now removed as well.

So seeing the devepomental index was removed. I thought wow, they actually listened to my poll and removed it. So I started working nonstop towards level 8.

It was very clearly advertised as an available level. I even received a message stating that I meet all requirements.

So it was "more than clear at the time MOP went for level 8." that it was available.
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"I am equally sure he knows that W3c is busy, doing work on other parts of the game, has limited staff, etc etc."

Which is all the more reason to think they listened to my poll. They announced the development index 3yrs ago and still haven't done anything with it. So why not just scrap it and concentrate their limited resources on other things?
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"MoP should get level 8 compensation WHEN level 8 is implememnted."

I'm not asking for level 8 compensation. I was asking to be compensated for the gold coins I wasted due to their error/false advertising.
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"Not Level 8 should be implemented as soon as MoP decides he wants to achieve a level that is nonexistant. Gimme a break."

I said 6 days ago "I no longer care if levels 8-10 ever get implemented."
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"The last time we demonized the GM's over lack of moving on someone elses timetable, a bunch of players left. This kind of selfish behavior disturbs me and seems self centered."

I didn't demonize anyone. I simply stated facts. Facts which I have evidence to support. If they look like demons. They only have their own actions, or lack there of, to blame.

This has nothing to do with working on my time table. I stated 6 days ago that "I no longer care if levels 8-10 ever get implemented. I still love this game. Just not the way the management handles some things"

Selfish? not really. This is not the first time the GMs have screwed people over. It won't be the last. I hope next time its not you.

As far as people leaving. I'm not telling anyone to leave nor do I plan on leaving. However maybe the GMs should learn from their mistakes and not screw their customers, if they want them to stay.
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"MoP you admitted yourself that you are short one index. You have no idea what it even will require of you. So clearly you are mistaken to think you already deserve some compensation. Give it a rest already please. Talk to Tom or Jozi through Email."

Yes. I did say that I was short one index. I have no idea what it even will require of me. However that was before, as well as, why I started the poll to remove said index. Which passed unanimously, And the index was removed.
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"Talk to Tom or Jozi through Email."

I have they stopped responding. So this poll was my last resort. It was their choice not mine.
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"Give it a rest already please."

I did 6 days ago. Until you popped up and personally attacked and threatened me. So now I'm back to respond to you. Then I will shut up again
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"MoP, I could pop up on WG and bring you down to level seven if you'd like. At least this whiny crap could be over with. WAIT until they put the level in."

Thank you for the kind offer to assist me in leveling down. However I already have shrunk down below level 8 and will continue to shrink to just above level 7. As I stated before "I no longer care about levels 8-10"

You are welcome to come to WG, as is anyone. It is a great place with lots of good people.

However if you come to cause me trouble. Be forewarned. You are not the only one who knows how to wage war with debt ridden c3s and I could "pop up" on LU and GR and return the favor.

This is not a threat and I'm not looking to pick a fight. I'm just letting you know what the consequences could be if you attack me.

That being said I have never had a problem with you and I'm not sure why you seem to have such a problem with me right now. As I stated before I was done With this "whiny crap" 6 days before you posted.

Now I will shut up again.

Thanks
MoP

@Wendy

A challenge?

Welcoming Nix to WG? No I just never realized he was here before. Nor was my post above.

It sounded like your comment was a threat though.

Well, honestly Player, it's killin me dude, I don't even want to read the whole post :/

If you are still maintaining level 8, the damages that you are currently incurring should not be covered. The situation is now well known.

Do you have a gold coin figure on your damages?

Figure them out, make a list to honestly show what is due you and submit it to the GM.

bada boom- bada bing

Maintaining level 8 no way.

I started shrinking back right after the GM stopped responding to my emails.


I haven't figured it out. What's the point they aren't listening.

Well give it a try, I'll back you more if you come up with listed concrete damages and the GM ignores you or wrongfully denies you. First give GM a chance in private to work this out, the damages that is, level 8 may never work.

I do not wish to harm this game in any way. However if the GM continues to just say oops my bad, and just ignore us and expect us to accept it. That will do more damage than the players can ever do.

MoP. . .

It is the fallout that concerns me. Comments like, "If we can't get what we want RIGHT NOW I dont see why I am paying to play the game."

That is what concerns me. MoP, I will not go to WG to start trouble. The game needs correction but it will be done when time permits.

As far as you coming to GR, I am not there. Feel like coming to LU, I await you.

If the comments continue depressing the game field, then I will come to WG. Not as a troublemaker, but as a defender of what I know to be right in this instance. I hope it doesn't get that far.

I for one would like to continue having updates on whats happening with the levels. Especially a level that is meant to pay you GC's per month to help keep you at that level and ultimately keep your grand plan of world domination alive

The secrets to happiness in simc....

1) is to ~not~ read the game documentation ~at all~

why? Because then you are constantly on your toes and prepared for anything. Likewise, when 100gc pop up in your account, it's a nice surprise, like Christmas. ^___^

2) next, don't work towards anything that you can't afford to throw into the garbage should you fail.

3) so basically, "everything" is made of make-believe; assets and gc are like monopoly money and if you lose some..its ~ok~ because it never existed in the first place (unless you havent figured out econ aspect of game and have to pump lots of rl cash into game..which isn't technically made of make-believe...which moves us to nextpoint:

4) learn econ game so you can fund side projects, like getting levels.

5) lastly, assume that the "Everything" in point #3 includes the GM.

1- I find the game documentation, though not fully correct -- helpful. There is no "game documentation" to running a real-life country that is any more accurate than the one on simcountry. Just as your consultants and experts in real life are wrong some times, so is the game documentation. That is a FEATURE, not a fault.

2. Good point.

3. Good point. Think of it like a $4 a month subscription to a game, not as an investment, as that is what it is.

4. good point.

5. Good point, the GM doesn't spend his full time on this game. Perhaps, he has a life, and can't spend 100% of his time fixing, correcting, and upgrading every feature to meet everyone's needs. Enjoy the game, and be happy for what does work (which is alot).

Inanna.

I never said, nor have I seen anyone else say. "If we can't get what we want RIGHT NOW I dont see why I am paying to play the game."

I understand the GM is busy. I don't expect or even want him to drop everything and do what I want.

I know he does a lot of work. I do appreciate it. I still love this game. At the very beginning of all this, I acknowledged all of that.

My one and only point is. They need to understand that something that they deem a simple mistake. Can cause people to spend, and in my case waste RL money.

They need to work on their customer service skills. Sometimes sorry just doesn't cut it.

Offering me even a couple of gold coins for my troubles would have prevented all of this. Hell I might not have even accepted them.

Its the fact that they just blew me off that upset me.

That is all I have to say about this situation. Now can we please move on.


When did you leave GR?

No need to worry about me coming to LU. I've been there hit level 5 and sold off. The only reason I would return, would be if you attacked me. Neither one of us really want that.


iki

Your post is accurate. You can't look at this game as an investment.

I do know the Econ game. However I was impatient.

Also. I thought that buying gcs to build my pop up as quickly as possible. To meet the requirements, without having an empire full of MIBs for a military. Would actually save me gcs in the long run. (The longer it took me to get there the more pop would die off and need to be replaced)

Once I got to level 8. I would get 10 more gcs a month to offset the losses. Not to mention the 300gcs up front.

So much for that idea.

the warmongering business can be quite lucrative as well

(of course...as long as you ignore that those you pillage tend to quit after losing their countries...which might be problematic in the long run...but that's something that can be argued elsewhere. So for the purpose of this thread, warmongering is made of win)

Wendy, I think you're being a little harsh on MoP.

One of the glorious things about this game is that you can choose to play it so many different ways. Here on WG, there is a large community of friendly players who choose to play by testing themselves. The competition is based, not on who can destroy each other, but on who can excel. We measure it by who claims the number one spot, the top Finance or War rank, the Hall of Fame, the highest level. We play war games to hone our fighting skill and to see who wins without needlessly destroying each other. Going to war and staying at a high level takes even more skill ...

MoP is one of only a few players in the history of the game who have made it to level seven. Even fewer have made it and maintained it as he has. It takes a great deal of skill and time, and he deserves credit. I am still working for level 7 and have been for half a year or more. Every point gained gives me huge pleasure. Every point lost makes me more determined. But I am very aware that, when I get there, the journey will be over.

The issue of level 8 has come up time and time again over the three years I have been playing. The GMs have acknowledged it every time but they are too busy to do anything about it. I'm not knocking them - this game is not their main source of income and they have used their limited time to implement some great updates which affect far more players than the few who make level 7.

But I was as pleased as MoP when they apparently removed the one thing that is keeping level 8 closed. It was obviously the easiest way to do it. However, to be told that the level is open, only to find when you get there (congratulations, MoP, that is a first as far as I know) it is actually still closed is very disappointing. I don't blame him for letting off steam on the forum.

Wendy, I assume you play for different reasons to MoP but please be aware that, for his game, level 8 is a lot more crucial to his enjoyment. I hope the GMs do something about it soon ... it looks like there is simply an award processing subroutine that hasn't been updated and it should be easy to fix.

Hugs and respect

Jo

Thanks Jo.

I think you stated in one post, what I was trying to convey this whole time.

Hi Jo, I agree with MoP. I think he has A POINT. Please understand, I just don't want it to lead to a terrible attitude towards the game and cause another semi exodus. This will hurt us all.

MoP Don't get me wrong, I have always been a silent advocate for your cause. I just gave up awhile ago. Don't think I am going at you personally becuase I am not. This is targeted as a broader issue. If you don't remember 16 months ago, when you and I were in Valde I actually wanted to kick Kain the Clown for attacking your eco empire. I was a lil' b00b then and couldn't have helped you if I wanted to. In case you haven't noticed I remain peaceful towards past fed members. I think you fall under that category. Please forgive me if you feel threatened. I just want a nice balance of complaint vs silliness. You probably won't agree, but the several threads and multiple posts of the same material is consistant with SPAM. I know some really decent people get wiped off the game for that.

Everyone don't try to kill me now, I just want to protect my investment.

And Jo, I realize how WG is run. I've been there on two seperate occassions. And you have no idea of the atrocities I am aware of. WG isn't as Sim Soft Town as you would like me to believe. Although it has calmed down alot.