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Econ tanking lol

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Rage Fury
19 Nov 2013 14:45 Link
XON "all you gotta do is "immediate order" by paying 31% premium then you get what you want, don't worry about shortage on the market "

That usually works, but not always. Point of fact, I am not worried about shortages since I can build Corporations.
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craigwilliamson79
19 Nov 2013 14:52 Link
Shortages are good for business...so are surpluses. Buy low and sell high.
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Andy
19 Nov 2013 19:08 Link
Thank you
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thewhy
19 Nov 2013 21:38 Link
Andy i have previosuly asked for a ratio of corporation to corporation to see if it was even possible to have a balanced market (no extreme surpluses or shortages).... it seems like logically in this game when it was created there should have been a formula in place to show that the economy could plausibly work.... the economy is a puzzle or a mosaic and it seems there should be a logical way to complete this puzzle assuming as youve pointed out should be the case that people are rational and build corps that are in shortage.... as xon has pointed out though this doesnt seem to be the case.... there are huge shortages of oil so many oil corps would need to be built however this would also exacerbate the chemicals shortage so many chemicals would need to be built however this would further increase the oil shortage..... it doesnt seem like it is possible to ever have balanced market even if we all were rational and built corps in shortage..... the most important things that need to be done to fix the econ aspect of this game is to actually make it possible to have a balanced market and then encourage players to respond to market changes by getting rid of price limits maybe allowing people to set their own prices (thereby making products in shortage more profitable to build) allow people to convert corps (many people will not close corps that are in surplus as they have already invested alot into those corps) and make the c3 production more responsive... obviously changes like these cause problems that would need to be overcome but it is something to be pondered and i think something better then just tinkering..... if you want to make an econ game in which the c3s produce everything except a few products which are always in demand and just let players build those products for a profit then thats fine but at least dont change it up on people randomly unless your actually making a fundamental change to the economy
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Rage Fury
19 Nov 2013 21:44 Link
I have witnessed it fail a couple times for me. The Immediate Order basically piled on top of the Product Order the Corp made automatically. Could be a server hiccup or the product simply was not available. Dunno and don't care, as I have stock in the products that gave me issue.
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Rage Fury
19 Nov 2013 21:58 Link
"maybe i'm missing something because your arguement is that the price of a product is base on the shortage and surplus on the market. "

XON, if you go into "Products in stock; buy and sell" you can see all the Market prices and you can watch them change based on the Supply and Demand. As far as I understand it, you can mark that up by a maximum of 200% by selling from that page.

With your Corp selling the products you have the same limitation, however your Quality gets you a higher market price that you can mark up.
So as I see it, you have the Market Price set by Supply and Demand with a minimum limit and a maximum limit which is adjusted by quality and further adjusted by your mark up of a maximum 200%. The Market Price is the Base price your Quality and Mark up modifies.
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Andy
20 Nov 2013 11:43 Link
The markets show too many and large shortages.
we had a period when this was different.
There were smaller shortages but also oversupply and many more corporations failed.
people complained their corporations are not making money.

We see some shortages now getting to a dangerous point and forcing interventions.

This requires a correction of the production levels and it already happened twice (small corrections).

as a result, shortages do continue but are becoming smaller and the number of alerts we are getting of dangerous situations is smaller.

You really do not want a true balanced market. It will be much harder and you will need to switch very frequently.

Switching is now possible and used increasingly by many without losing their investment. They switch to very profitable corporations and are immediately making more money.

C3s add some flexibility but not enough. (very small population). the fact is, that shortages continue and the number of corporations is not growing fast enough for lack of workers.