The Rules of War

well like a player said on forums ages ago players (or some) got what they wanted ..that being war lvls. plus the rewards for wars lvls hardly worth the cost so perhaps if they relaxed the muscles around their butt area and stop bein tight ass's!, more might war(at lvls at least)

#57 we are having this discussion because we are discussing the irrelevant rules of war this is a very serious matter

#58 Butthurt results in hemorrhoids

#59 the game was dead before there was war levels added, taking away the overpowered game features is what killed the game, not the war levels

NOTE: fact. i played this game years ago 09-10 and it was the same shit but no war levels, the war level was spose to fix the game but ofcourse anyone who knew that there was still no more op things such as "super carriers" in which no shit like that, there will never be war again. Keep in mind i never was even apart of that, but before the war levels were around people talked alot about the weapons change, thats were war died. this game has been the same shit litterally for the last 8 years, maybe a few things different but the players and the games direction, still people thinking they have the answers and devs still trying to make the answers. Really anyone more then that you can go suck a rocket ship that shoots missiles, because even when space was coming out was rumored there was going to be war to it! but just to transfer shit.

I mean shit, this game has probably been dead at this point longer then it was ever alive!

i was around back then.... it wasnt dead

pardon as i played but wasent really active late 09, 2010-2011 when i actually played with a membership and started but the game wasent much more alive then it is now, believe me there was a point were people talked about a new world and it was just over since the current ones couldent keep going without being filled with nothing but inactive. I mean now its alot deader but more alive then a year ago tbh but like the days with the "vets" and "war" thats been done now for awhile. Even the chat back then was pretty barren (hehe) i miss the old chat ;(

the game used to be great....the war levels killed it
(this cannot logically be argued against....war levels killed the war game)

the game was alive then...forum was popping all the time

now there is barely anything

sorry if you disagree, but the game is dead now compared to what it used to be

fully agree EC

lol the fact you have to say it cant be logically argued against is pretty much something to logically argue against, if it wasent you wouldent have to attempt to close to statement. And im not turning this into a debate, but wasent the war levels to save the game? atleast to the least of it.

If you think that the war levels werent around the attemp to fix the game then you probably werent playing at the time when they were instituted (or were inactive) I played before there was war levels not even a year later this game was already dieing,why they dident give a flying shit when they added war levels because there was players who would enjoy it more then just having unprotected countrys some player could just attack whenever they wanted to, you guys can pat eachother ass all you want but that still doesent make it true, "this game would be amazing if there was no war levels" hahaha. If you think this game just suddenly died at war levels, then im sorry but you must be fuckin crazy. I guess you can blame that maybe the sight of war levels sent everyone running, but sirsmokesalot(doesent play atm) told me otherwise. This game has been dying for awhile, if you think most of the "new" players arent old players with new names, and most fourms that have over 100 posts are just the same people arguing and saying stupid shit like here then lol believe your fairytale, war levels dident kill this game, bad updates killed this game (war levels not a bad update huh?) even removing things like a said, "super carriers" said by a player back then made war a hell of alot funner, if he ever comes back he'll (or anyone else who actually played in 2010 that played for many years before) set the record straight, this game was already deteriorating, war levels was an attemp to fix it, im sorry you people are to ignorant and one sided to see war levels other then something that ruined something you wouldent even be doing if it was gone. Unless everyone read there was going to be a war level and the game died, but the game was already dieing when i joined.
This game is so old, you almost 9 years later and just as many inactives less now because theres not even as many active players. Keep filling the Scapegoat! As if 1 bad update has turned this game upside down. Sorry you guys dont like reality :p but its true, the war level is not the only thing to blame.

As long as war still exists in this game people will find something to blame its death on, as if it wasent already dead, and thats why they made war levels. All the other years this games been around (read KB existed in 2001) never had such a shit idea when the game was active and actually had a real player base. Disagree all you want, we all got an opinion but the truth is the war game was done on FB before war levels were even put into play. I dont doubt war levels as nails in the coffin, but to say they are the coffin! lol please

"sorry if you disagree, but the game is dead now compared to what it used to be" Lol never disagreed the game wasent dead, i just said there was more to war dying then just the war levels, as if we want to say war was already in pain and they euthanized it with war levels.

Even to say, ill back off at the end of it all really(i havent been here all the years so i cant say all thats really happened), i mean this is what i had seen before war levels become a controversy. War wasent as popular(barly at all) when i played, and i was one of the only people regularly active on the chat. Most times chat was empty back then, so im just saying this game state isent just a sudden bad update this is been a downward progression for sometime now. I guarateed even if they removed war levels, that state of combat now is just fucked, like last time i check in the last year you could now have tones of forts, like stuff like that is what makes this game bad, even mobiles units i dont like, who ever has the most of them will always win (not to mention about a year ago they were always out of pro soldiers/officers) so haha now they have tones in stock ofcourse, but just an example of how shit they do is annoying and fucks the game, like people would say years ago before there was war levels! Simcountry not the only game, all games get bad updates just some also get really old to, like simcountry, and we start to realize that the new players barly coming along or that all the new players are just old players at some point. Im just in the boat for a "revamp" seriously what could fix this game. Honest to go you people can keep saying "back before war levels!!!" but seriously, we need back when there was non stop war, super carriers and we actually had to fight, go back to the games earliest roots because i everything i have seen in this game has never been what the vets told me it once was. furthor more, when i say war levels were something to "fix the game" ofcourse not from a players perspective but the game masters. Im sure not all the players to come after war levels have hated it, but the game sure shows it doesent like them.

i played in 2008 2009 left in 2010 i played under name of "straight jacket" back then if you wanna check. also chat was full on,and i stick by what i said back then............... war lvls bad idea(and thats coming from a player who didnt win many wars) and not everyone wanted them ,so you can say and think what you like thats your opinion just happens mine is different .

oh and btw i dont pat any bodies ass, if i remember right EC was on the other side of the 1 i was on back then.just happens we agree on same thing.

Changes here, changes there, changes everywhere, you all talk about changes to the game, it seems nothing ever changes unless you change yourself and adapt to the game, and yes I HAVE seen all the changes made in the game since it's inception in 2001......

I think we can all agree war levels need to at least be changed. I propose 3 simple points which would mostly fix war levels. Unfortunately it's unlikely they will ever be completely removed so I hope you can consider my 3 point plan.

These are simple but reasonable ways to fix war levels while still providing protection for econ only players. I hope everyone can consider these improved 3 points.

1. Players inactive for more than 30 days loose secured mode in all their countries and are increased to war level3.

2. All players at or above war level 3 can fight all other players at or above war level 3.

3. Players receive 75 gold coins when they reach war level 3, get doubled military spending space, and get a bonus to welfare.

1. No. Most people would agree that for the most part there is a great deal of paid memberships here. So you mean to tell me if I'm paid up for a year and have my registrations properly coined out, that you want to install a rule that will rob me of everything I have because I go over some invisible 30 days of inactivity rule? People have lives, tool. You don't have the right to ask for rules that will intentionally rob people.

2. No. You don't get to decide when another player is ready to PvP, nor do you get to decide you can ask for the installation of rules that would, for all intents and purposes, allow you to bully lesser players. You seem like that type.

3. The rewards for leveling up coupled with the benefits of c3 raids are sufficient. Military players already get bonuses plus level awards, while most econ players only get level rewards. It is already skewed in one direction, no need to take it further.

just an observation Heisenberg on #3 your war lvl 2 so what makes you think c3 raids are sufficient above that?................... it dont matter anymore (to me anyway)

All you really have to do is talk to current players to find out what the military and overall assets that are pulled out of c3's at every level. As you go up in WL, so do the rewards from c3's. I think Aries told me one time that if you follow his raiding technique up to WL 7 its something in the high 70's I think. 77 or 78 trillion in cash. Maybe more. Then figure in regular assets and population transfers. Then figure in the WL rewards and add that to it. I'd say that is quite lucrative considering raiding a c3 takes minutes.

I apologize, maybe I am missing something. I can't seem to figure out why there are complaints about this. I mean, I know why inventor wants to do it, he basically has no war talent and wants the rules this way so he can attack defenseless inactives, much like the one he just completed. But not everybody sucks at this game, so that can't be the excuse for others. Econ players are disadvantaged from the start. We are constantly investing and re-investing our monies, making long term decisions with little guarantee of reward. War players can make endless monies from raiding and fighting PvP, and get pretty much double the level rewards. I think it's kind of ridiculous that we are even having this conversation.

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"So you mean to tell me if I'm paid up for a year and have my registrations properly coined out, that you want to install a rule that will rob me of everything I have"

This already happened Heisenberg......a lot of us were paid up for a long time and they introduced war levels....effectively taking away half of the game from us. We certainly didn't expect them to do that when we clicked our credit cards.

Fighting c3 countries is NOT a substitute from actual war...c3's don't fight back.

If a player goes inactive for 30 days or more....absolutely they should be available to raid. If they have that many assets to begin with, certainly they can afford war protection.

That's the way the game used to be played....either log in or get raided....or better yet...defend yourself from raiders.

The point is taken, but at the same time moot.

Quote: Fighting c3 countries is NOT a substitute from actual war...c3's don't fight back.

Neither do inactives.

The obvious point that some are missing is that it doesn't matter what any of us think really, all that matters is that the people running this game saw an issue and decided on steps to rectify it. They did so, and as a result people are unhappy on both sides. The solution to this is to play the game by the rules installed or don't. The choice is clear and obvious, nothing obtuse about it. If this isn't the type of gameplay you seek, there are others out there that would suit your needs more accordingly. I'm sure the GM's are aware of this and have factored that in when implementing changes.

All I know is that if I were playing a game and things changed that I didn't like, I would move on. I think 4 dollars a month is too steep a price to pay for what amounts to an outlet for anger about rule changes. An outlet, I may add, that seems quite content with the changes made.

Unfortunately, moving on is exactly what the majority of the most active players did.

You didn't get to experience the balance and greatness of the game before the war levels.

Now, the most exciting development in the game is when someone dumps a boatload of electric power on the market...which frankly is quite depressing

REALLY Heisenberg, it seems you simply dislike the war game to begin with and haven't even participated in the war game at all. This forum was intended for WAR PLAYERS ONLY. You dislike war against inactive players, active players that are defenseless, and dislike attacking C3's. What's left attacking well defended active players. Well I think you dislike that also when you think players above war level 3 should only fight players at there same war level. This just proves you dislike war together and I'm guessing you want war to be removed completely or based on your responses to my suggestions it seems you want to basically make war impossible. Most players like EC and others actually want to improve and fix the issues created by the war levels, you want to create more issues and ban the war game. Leave this forum if you have any sense we don't want econ players that want a ban on the war game here.


Also Heisenberg when you criticize me for attacking another active player it just confirms you hate the war game. The player I attacked was not inactive at all and had 3 times the assets as me and war probably much more experienced than I was, it seems some players just hate the war game.

LOL.

More word barf.

You claim I don't like war. Yet I have participated in war in this game and have never said once that I don't like it. Fact of the matter is you plainly just suck at this game. You want to talk about your last war? Alrighty. Let's talk about how myself and others witnessed the fact that your last opponent was entirely inactive....until two months before your war started. Then, oddly, someone magically signed in to the account you're attacking, moved military out of the country, and signed out. You're a liar. Plain and simple. Just looking at the public readout of your wars proves the inactive countries you attacked had little to no defense. Don't try to play like you're some kind of genius. You're nothing more than a dullard.

This is the general topic area of the forum. I can, will, and plan to visit any forum I choose to, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Your countdown has started. The next time you see war, it won't be with an inactive. And you'll be rolled right out of every world you're on. Stop writing checks your big fat mouth can't cash.

When have you participated in the war game??? You're not even war level 3 yet. Based on most of your posts you've confirmed you don't want to fix the war game, you've said multiple times you like the way the game is. The way the game is right now is nothing more than a game with a dead war game and a game in decline. Don't try to put up the facade that you actually participated in the war game.

Also when you say my last war was against an inactive. I wasn't even active in sim a much longer than a month ago so your claim has no logical backing at all. Additionally the active countries I attacked had almost as much military assets and me and 3 times the total assets. Finally your claim that I paid to buy some inactive countries. Well if they were inactive how would I contact the country and why would I when I could just easily mobilize my military and participate in the war game. I know that's what some econ players like you probably do. I bet you anything you've bought all your countries because you didn't want to participate in the war game like me.

And who's calling who a liar, your entire last post is fictional and false information. A COMPLETE LIE. YOU are essentially fake news.

Game months.

I never said you paid anyone anything for anything. Your dress of lies has a slip showing.

LOL, this is too easy. The records of your war are public. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what was going on there. You got called out, and continued the lie. Awesome.

At least I know what kind of nozzle I'm dealing with. One quite douchey. I know what I saw. I know what my friends saw. Nothing you say will change that or alter our views one iota.

Isn't it awesome when you make a point of what you saw and the subject of that point basically verifies your suspicions? I think it's great.

LMAO ... Yah Heisenberg doesn't know jack about war, but from what I understand he's a fair to decent chemist.

But then I also know him by another name ... THAT guy isn't the nOOB you seem think he is. Maybe just a little rusty, but the oxidation process can be used to temper steel.

theinventor1012, I don't think you've made a friend but quite frankly I personally always preferred enemies anyway. They keep you building, on your toes or at the very least polite.

Heisenburg is a total n00b.

You should totally fight him and teach him a valuable lesson.

LOL no worries Sa.... ah Johanas, I think he'll eventually get his chance to prove to the simcountry world what a total nOOb Heisenberg really is