Poll: Who stirs the pot the most?

Why do you talk of NATO as if it is solely the US...
The US has a superior army, Germany has a superior army, Japan has a superior army, Britain, France... My point was who stirred the pot the most (Russia). In a conventional war, maybe after a long war, victory would be shown to the west. If Germany and Japan, both very rich and technologically advanced countries were to rearm to match a Russian threat, the Russians would be wiped off the face of the earth. The US has a lot of support. And the Chinese, as Craig mentioned above, dislike the Russians ever since that commie split in the 60's.
I agree with the fellows above, nukes would lead both countries to a MAD scenario. Craig, I couldn't agree with you more.
I think, that even though with Supreme's states US troubles, the rest of the US allies remain well united in the face of the Russians, there is also the fact that not all Russians are stupidly patriotic and would oppose Putin if he takes it to the next level (Like the recent Anti-Putin march they had in Moscow). Lets hope it all ends up like WWI (Concerning Russia)

The empire of Serpent would destroy all of them!

Tru Dat Serp

TWL its brewing, one must be patient.

Its too close to tell, cause russia has key allies too that can start something that it appears they aren't. too many way to win, from economics to convent war. everyone loses no matter what happens. Ukraine is just one little step closer to the middle east and Europe. Serp take them out! lol

Aussteigen, The reason i talk of "NATO" as if it is solely the US...

Do you remember the balkans adventure?
where "NATO" bombed all those evil women & children, oh and at that time "NATO" had the finest military on earth so much so that
russia had to bend over and take it deep, while their slavic brothers & sisters were exterminated..

China's embassy was also bombed with a few of their people still inside, oh and if i remember it correctly it was mostly organized
by GERMANY, hmm why would they do such a thing against russia at that time, oh then once the war started the US carried the weight of
the bombing campaign after the germans slid back into the shadows, just as it done again with another slavic nation...

UKRAINE, ah yes "NATO" is gearing up once again to rid the world of evil, as it did in LIBYA,IRAQ,AFGHANISTAN,AFRICA,LATIN AMERICA & so on.
but maybe this time "NATO" superior forces will finally get boots on the ground in the east,and leave US air carriers out of it.

Although i don't know SERPENT Very well, still i'm inclined to agree with him on this lol.

I swear I am the only Canadian in this game that still talks on the forums. Russia has superior troop numbers on the ground, but come on... AK47's, talk about out of date.
Nato just needs to gain air superiority over Russian air bases preventing them from scrambling fighters, bomb their airfields to free up the fighters to provide air support to Euro Nato forces advancing from the West and American, Canadian, and Japanese forces coming from the Pacific sea. Once allied forces have boots down in Russia with air support, Russia would be finished. If they tried to use missiles, it would be useless as Europe, Japan, America, and Canada all have anti missile defense networks set up and would bring the missiles down harmlessly.

But then again, i'm just a 16 year old who is a strategy fanatic.

Ian,

Russia stated a long time ago that if they were attacked, they would use nuclear weapons. We don't have enough anti missile systems to shoot all Russia's missiles down. Even all of us put together. Even America doesn't have enough anti ICBMs to kill half of Russia's missiles. Unless we can get Putin and his briefcase that holds the nuclear missile codes. But I doubt that would happen

Pfft my shoes will take down anyone!!!!!! I have mastered the art of throwing them for MANY years....you know, my ancient years and all ha ha ha :P

In all seriousness though, I wouldn't mess wif the mighty Serpent. He scares me!!!!

Well Germany is a modest nation and does not take to leadership, until recently that is, it will begin to use its influence abroad. Not to mention it doesn't like to exercise militarily too much. (One of the reasons it has a low military...). Organization, planning, meh, what does that have to do with you talking as if NATO were American alone, you're the one that's doing all the military flexing because YOU want to. Euro countries have found no need to rearm, I remind you that the Bundeswehr was one of the best and most advanced armies in the world during the hottest moments of the Cold War, with almost 500,000 personnel, why? Because Germany was the front line. So saying that NATO has always been "just the US" is ignorant.

Drys, please list those key allies, other than Belarus, Kazakhstan, Syria and Iran of course.

And yes Nico is right unfortunately... The missile defence system was born recently, and they have a long way to go to completely guarantee the stopping of thousands of war heads moving to different places. Maybe in a future not far away, that will be accomplished, making ICBMs obsolete. Ukraine should have been left as a Nuclear Weapons State, all of this would be avoided.

Air Superiority is all that matters now a days and even though our newest fighter jets are largely failures we still have a significant edge on russia in this regard not to mention our greater mobility and access to russia through allies.... honestly its no contest

Supreme is a fool

i imagine if we got in a war we would accept many people into the military regardless of if they are hooked on burger king

i doubt social security which has been around for over 50 years will impede our war effort nor socialized medicine

i also don't see how Gang violence has anything to do with the hypothetical war effort against Russia

ill give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were drunk and had an above average number of disparate thoughts and talking points running through your head

I think the United States should wait till they can build up on anti missile defense then take on Russia :P

Canadian Special Forces (C.S.F), we can to the cold places where American Special Forces complain about the cold.

Aussteigen I would not discount china and their group as not specifically key allies, but may side with russia despite their petty disputes. They have been getting along more lately. And US key allies can cause issues as well as help. for example if Japan or Israel were attacked then who is going to be called on the big red phone to come help. I would also think possible Palestine and Lebanon as entities that might join as well. just depends on how good Putin is at playing his cards with the countries that are on edge, but not a "ally".

The why, you must not for get that nuke explosions even ones at high altitudes emit EMP and could disable the TECH advantages. yes, military is able to withstand EMP and not kill its electrical, but that truck fueling it and the electrical grid disruptions could prove to be a problem in a modern system. It shuts down the system and could make for problems at home, in which our reserves would need to be on hand to deal with. We also have them fighting our wars. No doubt the US/allies could win, but I say in this imperfect world Russia has a chance. Kinda like what if WW2 ended with US nuked by germany instead and they beat us to it.
just for fun, i would fire a whole bunch of fake rockets first, then the real ones. hope to beat the system, if I was russia that is.
another example to the above is russia in past knew where our subs were at all times. Spies leaked that info out, whose to say they don't know more that you think. It could change the odds.
The why, never discount economic warfare as part. if china and russia, or the middle east were to destabilize the US currency as the Worlds reserve it would really change the odds. The US mentality would even make it worse and can't discount that as possible build up to other events and how we can respond.
As is, I agree Russia has a very slim chance, but in a slightly different world, that slim chance could grow and he is playing the same games that others play in the world affairs market, how can you call him out? can't make ourselves hypocrites can we. And to not recognize that you could lose is the failure of many and the narrow mindedness has cost many their lives before. complacency leads to mistakes and failures. We must always expect the unexpected or we set ourselves up. Nothing is too big to fail.

I don't think American SF would complain about the cold, there is a reason they're special forces(those guys are nuts). Same goes for JTF2.

Drys, that was beautiful softer tone but spot on i hope you reach out to others and feed the sheep a little of your knowledge.

Now for the boy calling me a fool... once you have to resort to name calling you have made my point much stronger no need to continue convo
with such a person like you.

Aussteigin Right now the US has over 800 bases & worldwide spy network, massive drone warfare program along with the wonderful missile defence
sheild being placed in EU to protect it from.... RUSSIA, yes germany is a modest nation on paper but let's not forget
2 world wars were organized by the germans, the US against the wishes of the people keeps getting dragged into europe old beefs.

So when WW#3 breaks loose all i hope for is that people of the world see who is behind the crimes of NATO.

As for tech which i swear i keep hearing about everywhere i go lately hmm, anyways yea germany japan have great tech advantage over russia
yes yes it is true, as i said before putin spent $50B on the winter sports he could invest in hi-tech items but he don't see the need.

Firstly, the United states has something more like 10 million out of work, not 100 plus million...not even if you count the retired, the babies and those in prison. That number is just completely out there.

Aussteigen, The Why and Ian Cameron are all essentially correct in their analysis.

Air superiority is critical. Even with blunders, the U.S leads. That's not to mention the rather small, but mostly competent contribution from NATO (including Canada, where I am from).

Aussteigen's point about Germany is important to note. The sole reason for the E.U is Germany's desire not to lead. Regardless of whatever else happens in Europe, Germany will do its best to keep it together. That is as long as the current though continues (let's all hope it does ;)

As for NATO's crimes, and those of the U.S...it's far from perfect. Pretty terrible at times. But, I'd think one would be hard-pressed to find anything better (now or in history). There is no U.S decay. It just was never as good as the narrative said it was.

CRAIG MY BROTHER!!!

LOL craig good take.

Unfortunate we speak of things as if no one is guilty on whatever side you are on. Everyone is just as guilty as the next and that is not in perspective of which is worse, its black and white. Guilty or not. In history every nation is guilty as charged and has no room to speak about the other.
There is the common ground in which us the people might entertain, but the ones in power do not entertain as much. History will continue to repeat itself until we learn our lesson or kill each other off.
I think the US and allies would do good craig and EU would jump in. they act unstable at times about what they want to do, but if it came down to it, they would jump in just like we would and canada, ect. I guess to my point, its harder to pin point who has the advantage today vs 20 years ago and can back it up. there are too many ways now that we use all kinds of methods to attack people. expensive weapons not needed, they can steal a jet or resources or make it. The world is a different beast now and unlike the rank and file war fare of WW1 and the US civil war, the aggressors are using tactics that are not common and less predictable. Not to ever say a few dozen these type attacks on US successful is going to do much to how we can respond to a major event worldwide.
for me its less a question of who is who and what can be done, its more about those odd changing events that would be used if this went that far to become a world war start.
The problem is getting people to agree with each other on this matter and to have some trust to go off of, which has bitten the world in the butt before. think it can be achieved?

oh and Jan and Altered are tied for the simcountry stir the pot award. any more votes? I think russia won the stir the pot for the real world hands down. lol
Runner ups are lenpeat and Justin Bieber BTW, sorry Justin you stink anyways and need not a nasty spoon to help you.

Well it is clear i lost this round on the russian-nato topic, but it was a fun debate hope we can have many more in the future.

As for stir the pot award, i vote for Jan she is a very interesting lady.

sorry supreme your assertions were foolish and irrelevant..... how silly of me to make conjectures about your person based on what you write

drys yes war is unpredictable but any rational person (hopefully including Putin) must see the superiority of American military in any situation regardless of if our president makes us look as weak (according to fox news)

Ah again with the name calling, hmm maybe it's a age difference so i'll remain cool for now.... you really need to calm down on the insults.

People get so worked up over nothing

Complete rubbish, Germany is a responsible nation today and owes that to the Second World War. You pretend to believe that all the actions (Necessary, intended, or not) the US has done recently was orchestrated by Germany? Germany shows no interest in your country's crusades. Do you have to refer to Germany's past crimes to prove your claim over something happening today? Perhaps you might want to point that hypocrite finger of yours at the British, which are your closest collaborators.

Let me do some ignorant enlightening here (again): World War I was not planned by the Germans, as you foolishly claim, it was a chain reaction of the geopolitical situation in Europe in 1914 triggered by a crisis. If you want a more accurate claim, blame the Serbs, or even Austrians or Russians if you have to please your finger's hunger.

Yes you have several hundred bases world wide that are highly undesirable by the host country's population. The US, as from then on would be renowned for doing the same thing in different wars to this day, chose to intervene (were not dragged) themselves to both European Wars (And before you mention Pearl Harbor, that was Japan in the Pacific... The US' choice to invade Europe was a noble one and I appreciate that rather than occupation by the Russian Soviets, ugh).

You seem to have some sort of grudge to the countries that are allied to the US, you should be thankful, just as we recognise that the US is a "strategic ally".

As for Craig's, The Why's, Ian's, Nico's and Drys' input to the argument, I agree, Russia has a slim chance, but is still very possible despite the US' obvious superiority. Thank you Craig, that was an accurate description of the EU and its standing atm.

As bad as things are with the US and Russia right now I think a more appropriate scenario would be China v. US. I mean c'mon...Russia ?