Poll: Who stirs the pot the most?

My fellow SC users:
I submit for your approval, The Brown Spoon contest.
We know what is in the pot, what it smells like, and that it leaves a nasty stain when stirred. So I leave it to you to vote, as we must award someone or it wouldn't be a contest. Who has/adds the most drama?

Lenpeat/Andy!

Justin Bieber! :p

Lenpeat or Altered Carbon. cant decide between the 2.

Easy ...jan hands down O:-)

Jack I was hoping for more votes for me. I do stir the pot a bit. I guess your right though Good old jan puts out more verbal sewage than anyone that lil fuzzy bunny does try though.

Aha! That looks like some stirring. Can I change my vote?

well lenpeat is definitely in the race for "who stirs the pot the most" but he already has won the title for "who smokes the pot the most" indubitably

I think its funny at how you guys are so irritated by Mr. lenpeat.

Exuse me!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not and have not ever spewed "verbal sewage"!!! You are self projecting again, Alterd Carbon. SCOWLS!

My rule of thumb here in SC: You call me a name, you will be answered in kind. You treat me bad, you will be answered in kind. If you are nice to me, I will be nice to you. If you are a friend of mine, I'll be the best damn friend you will ever have.

You pick on me and my mafia family......you are TOAST! BUT if you really hurt my feelings, I'm telling Andy!!!! :P

Thank you, Jackseptic. *curtsies and smiles I accept that with great pride. I love being a drama queen. :P

Actually Serpent, Lenny doesn't bother me. I've already accepted that intellectually, he is just so far above me that I just can't comprehend. :P

I love everyone who contributes to these forums and the chat. We all play our parts. I just wish people were kinder to each other. :P

PS. "Good Old Jan"........let's not forget "Good Old Eb (Alterd Carbon) who is ONLY a few years behind me in AGE!!! ha ha ha Old fart!!!

Russia must be a contestant

Putin is awesome. If we went to war with Russia, Obama would be screwed. Putin would come in on a bear with a RPG lol

Russia is getting poorer as we speak thanks to Putin. lol Russia would be defeated quickly.

I dunno lol...with the power of their nuclear weapons and again, Putin, they may win lol. Wolfker, give me shelter in your home lol

Missile shields and a more technologically advanced Europe, US and Japan/SKorea

wolfker, i generally agree to your stir the pot contestant. Even big well prepared armies are not always ready. War fare is dirtier than ever and you never know what weakness one will pick to try to give an upper hand. I would not discount putin's resolve nor would I make obama the forerunner in war experts, but you think he calls all the shots on his own? lol

Seems it's the new craze coming from some youngins, which is to always shout how much
tech the us has compared to russia, or how much money we have compared to the poor slavs.

I can agree obama's half of the army does have the edge... but there is a reason for this!

russia is sadly a soft dictatorhip, always been that way, and putin had years to upgrade
his forces to at least come close to what the nwo army has, but as much as i like him
the man is kinda of a dick head, he spent 50 bil on the god damn winter sports hahaha,
now that money could have did wonders for his armed forces in a few areas, but he didn't
see the need or don't care, maybe he thinks the usa is not as strong as obama says?

My hope is soon everyone stops playing both sides, finally choose whom they wish to be
with russia/china or the nwo, if this choice is not made real soon i fear WW3 is coming.

Neither Russia nor the U.S could defeat the other. There is simply too much distance, too much military focused on defensive positions and too many logistical challenges for either to do so.

Technically, the U.S has a much better and larger military, but that doesn't guarantee success even against a much smaller and weaker force.

Also, the Russians have shown twice in the past century that they can withstand a much larger and technologically advanced foe. I don't think that is much different today.

We all know they'll send in us hardy Canadians to fight Russia in the colder areas.

HEY!! How did this get turned into RUSSIA junk?!!! I thought we were talking about Simcountry. ha ha ha ha :P

Oh and Drys, whatever I happen to stir.........it isn't brown or stinks!!! I stir up shoe discussions and threats of heaving shoes upon thy heads. What's that got to do with poo???? I cast my current vote for the STENCH AWARD to go to Alterd Carbon. After all, he has admitted that he is rather gassy most of the time in his old age. ha ha ha ha ha

IMO, I think Russia would win. Or at least both sides will loose.

Air Force:
The number of US attack planes and fighters/interceptor aircraft is 4,872. All the aircraft involved in the Russian Air Force (trainers, transports, helis, attack planes, etc) is 3,082. 1,790 less planes than we have! So air force would be a win for us.

Link: http://www.globalfirepower.com

Navy:
The United States has 10 carriers. Russia has 1. We have 72 sub's. Russia has 63. Which most are soviet era sub's. We have 15 frigates. Russia has 4. We have 64 destroyers. Russia has 13. Russia, although has 74 corvettes. USA has none. Most ships in Russia's navy are soviet era. American ships are newer with better technology. USA would win the naval battle.

Army:
United States has 8,325 tanks (all are M1 Abrams). Russia has 15,500 tanks. Most are soviet era. America has 27,582 AFVs. Russia has 27,607.

Troops: Russia has more troops than USA.

The USA would win a conventional war with Russia. BUT Russia contains the most nuclear weapons. Russia has 369 ICBMs and 1,248 warheads. Russia also has 13 submarines with 591 warheads. Russia has 76 bombers with 884 bombs. The united States has 450 ICBMs, 113 bombers and 350 bombs, and 14 ballistic missile submarine 280 bombs.

Also, we have troops deployed in Europe that is close to Russia. We also have bases in Hawaii and Alaska. We would reach Russia easily.

So, you are saying that Russia can't reach the U.S (lack of navy and air force), the U.S would be able to dominate the air and the U.S has large troop deployments within range of Russia...but Russia might still win?

As for nukes...it is still MAD. Doesn't matter who has more. They each have more than enough. Many, many times more than enough. Also, as far as ICBM's go...don't forget the U.S defence missile network which at least nullifies some of the Russian advantage. Also, don't forget that though the NATO partners don't have large standing militaries, they do have high tech and well integrated specific capabilites and have the industrial capacity to rapidly expand. Russia does not have such a capability.

If we go back in time to the pre 90's USSR, that would be a much more even battle. Russia can by no means be considered a major threat to the U.S. Not unless they had serious help (which doesn't really exist on the planet, save for China who happens to really dislike the Russians and have since the 60's).

Even then... even with the Chinese (again it must be stressed that China would go no further than a very, very tepid statement against hostilities) there is simply no possible alliance which could threaten the U.S in a conventional battle.

It's fun to think about and run the numbers on. But, seriously...this has been analyzed so many times and there is just no serious argument for Russian superiority. Now, of course there is a serious argument for a continuing build up (an argument I disagree with) in order to prevent falling behind.

OH dear Craig, you're leaving out a key nato advantage the united part.. are we still as
united like we used to be?

The answer is no we're not even close to the america of our fathers, america has been pissed on & burned and buried,
most men i know & talk too admit they will never i repeat will never ever sacrafice they're lives for nato.

Another current problem for "nato" is the populations is hooked on hard drugs & Burger king & are deemed unfit for service,
plus the boomers are now the majority with their hand out begging for free healthcare which is bankrupting america add social security
to the mix & the violent gang shootings of young males and girls everyday, now you think we can destroy russia?

Nah i don't think so we're the one who are destroyed, 102 million out of work plus other abuses in the usa.

So i'll just add this last line, if push comes to shove i'm not sure whom i'll choose....

No. Russia could reach us. I am not saying Russia would win, but neither would we. I second that, Craig. Russia is a threat to America. Like you said above, it would still be MAD, wouldn't you consider that a threat? In a conventional war, Russia wouldn't be a threat....but they have a good amount of nuclear weapons that could reach all of the united States. Yea, I agree. China and Russia both can't defeat America together in a conventional war