Little Upsilon - Calling On All Good Presidents

Greetings presidents of Little Upsilon, I am calling for assistance from the international community to deal with a rogue president who is engaging in unprovoked economic warfare against me.

The countries of this player are:
countryeroony
AG Kingdom
Roonyoid
Bella Land

The CEO of this player is:
Shadwell Davidson

I am asking for members to initiate boycotts on his main country "countryeroony". This can be done by clicking Trade --> Boycotts --> New Boycott Request. I am also asking for members to support the security council resolutions that are being proposed to sanction this individual. LDI has returned fire with counter bids on his corporations, and we will continue our economic counter attack until this rogue president is stopped. Unfortunately due to the game breaking war level system, we are unable to take military action at this time. The Lacerta Defense Initiative will always stand ready to defend the international order on Little Upsilon. We appreciate any support from the international community in getting this boycott started. LDI always remembers those who support us.

This is why we need fallout. Radiation cures asshattery.

Indeed. This kind of bad behaviour is encouraged by the war level system. It is pretty irritating that players can wage economic war against me with no risk to their empires. I have been hit by 13 hostile bids. Only 4 succeeded. Our first counter punch hit him back with around 30 hostile bids. More will follow when they resolve. We also proposed two security council nuclear sanctions against him. I am keeping my fingers crossed that we can get enough votes for the boycott to activate. I have 6 confirmed votes, so we are only 4 votes away from a stage 1 boycott.

DEATH TO THE INFIDELS , BLESS THE PINKTATOR


- Robert E Lee

John Galt,

I'm reasonably sure you would already have done everything I am going to ask about, but just to be sure that nothing was missed in the heat of the moment...

Have you been able to contact the player in question?
Sometimes players don't realize how aggressive it is to bid on other player's corporations, without their permission. Sometimes situations like these can be resolved by conversation.
I'm assuming you asked them to stop bidding on your Corporations, and they refused?

If we can establish that the player knows they are being aggressive, and they are refusing to stop, I would gladly support all boycott, and sanction requests. Until this dispute is resolved.

On war levels, I don't think they really at fault here. Between boycotts, sanctions, and your own hostile counter bids, you are showing that they are many ways to wage your own retaliation campaign, without needing to directly bomb a country.

Signed President of DanNation on LU

I asked him to stop after the first 2 bids. He refused and doubled down with 11 more bids against me. I normally dont escalate hostile bids if it is just a one off, but 13 bids is excessive.

What is the problem with these bids? Players overpay a lot and you can always use received funds to raise even more corporations.

Lord Mndz,

CEOs can't open new Corporations, unless they have fewer than 750 Corporations.
So for large and experienced CEOs, the Corp can be very hard to replace.

Presidents, can only build new Corporations, if they have enough workforce to staff it.
So, if the hostile bidder keeps the Corp in your country, it means you can't replace it.
On the other hand, if they take it out of the country, it disrupts employment and workforce distribution, as you upgrade it's replacement.

As such, most players regard is as a hostile act, to bid on someone's Corporations, without first asking them if it is ok.

Signed President of DanNation on LU

You can buy shares and grow beyond 750, you can raise taxes to encourage people to move corporations away to lower taxes countries. Many options.

@mndz

Your points are all valid and I really understand what you are saying. I would like to try and explain to you why (especially large ceo) people get frustrated by hostile bids.
Once you have been playing a while and your empire grows and grows and grows the focus of the game starts changing. When you begin money is all that matters. You do not have enough of it and you want and need more of it. After a while there comes a moment when you can comfortably generate enough money to do the things that you want to do. When you hit that point your biggest enemy is no longer the money but time.
Your ceo can no longer grow through just building corps. The only way to grow is through acquiring shares. There are only so many shares you can buy and buying them takes time.

If somebody places hostile bids you end up with extra cash (which you do not care that much about anymore) in the short run so YAY!?!? but it takes much longer to replace those corps and that is assuming it is even possible to replace them through buying shares. That is why it is so frustrating if somebody does not want to stop hostile bidding.

Letsie,

I understand that everybody just wants to build many profitable corporations and never change them no matter how game is changing. It is very bad because people are most engaged into the game when they are building their economies. Once you are getting enough of money and stop building you get bored in time.

This game provides a lot of opportunities how to grow economy and military but this is never ending journey you should never stop building and improving, changing then necessary. Wars and hostile takeovers add some human interaction which is fun.

Take the money and build 10x times more corporations.

I agree generally speaking.

Hostile bids should be a part of the game just as getting your ass whipped on the battlefield for hostile bidding should be part of the game. War levels and keeping people in a safe space only encourages asshattery.

Every action should have the option of an opposite and equal reaction IMO.

sure

Well you know I'll put in my two shoes worth! lol Here goes:

I am the first one to forgive players, especially new ones who don't know any better. However, this player GarryDAvidson1 has been around for a while and should know better. Hostile bidding has always been frowned upon in the game.

The point in this instance is that John Galt responded to said player asking him to stop, and the player did not. That is a sign of disrespect, and in my book, a valid point for retaliation in the game. I wholeheartedly support John Galt and have requested the boycott and put a few hostile bids in myself against this player to send a clear message that this will not be tolerated by players.

I ask very n nicely for this player to cease and desist in his behavior.

All my best,
The Wicked Lady

Have you talked to Shadwell. Maybe he does not know that what he is doing is in fact hostile. He seems like an ok player and I don't see any nasty agenda on his part. I have voted against your Security Council motions. I think John Galt is fearmongering.

Dear Simcountry Players,

This player, GarryDavidson1, has ignored repeated requests by John Galt to cease in his reprehensible behavior in the game. While the game does allow hostile bidding, for as long as I have played, this has been frowned upon. The only difference between now and some 10 years ago, such an act could be warded off through war declarations.

Our federation, LDI, has put forth a cohesive response to ask this player to stop. Yet, this player has threatened to buy more gold coins and continue in his deplorable actions. Yes, he is a "deplorable." I just shake my head at this extreme form of "asshatery" especially during a time when we as a community in Simcountry are trying to encourage people to play the game and stay engaged.

We have put forth through the Security Council several resolutions to detain this player, GarryDavidson1. I respectfully ask this community to support these.

The countries of this player are:
countryeroony
AG Kingdom
Roonyoid
Bella Land

It is also my understanding that this player has put forth a resolution against John Galt's country/ies. I ask that all of you vote this down.

We must make a stand as a community to frown upon these types of behaviors since war is off the table.

@Michael I am very disappointed in your decision to vote against our resolutions, especially not knowing the full details. I am VERY disappointed, indeed.

Johanas Bilderberg,

Whats the solution for war as the main means of 'asshattery'? Having a few Corps taken over, is nothing compared to the constant wipe outs, that players used to suffer, before the war levels were implemented.

Wars as a solution to bidding, is like death as a solution to a cold. Yeah, it solves it, by making it x100 worse.

I just don't get this whole 'killing each other makes everything better' mentality. If giving someone the option of a hostile bidding on other player's corps lets them cause problems, giving them the option to bomb people would make them worse, and giving them nuclear bombs with region wide fallout, would let them be even worse still.

Big players abusing their power, engaging in asshattery attacking everyone else, is why we got war levels in the first place. If people could use unlimited war power responsibly, the war levels would never have been implemented in the first place. To solve the utter mess players caused before it.

Letting misunderstandings escalate into bomb drops. Is a great way to cause even more chaos and destruction. We all solve problems in real life without shooting each other. We can do the same thing as Presidents in Simcountry.

@ My Lord, Mndz,

Hugs, first. I understand what you are saying, but I think if a player asks another player to stop hostile bidding his corporations, that player should be respectful and cease. The mere fact that this player has continued and has placed bids on NUMEROUS corporations is absolutely terrible and quite frankly breaks my heart.

Again, my intention here is to keep players playing and engaged, and this is something that could potentially run players out of the game or give up. I'm not saying this is the case for John Galt, because he is a seasoned player and knows how to handle himself. But what if this was another player who hasn't been here long?

I am appalled at this player's behavior. This player will never receive any support of mine in the game as a result.

Now I am off to write my son, Andy, to send a horrific earthquake GarryDavidson1's way.

Love ya!
The Wicked Lady

@ Daniel Iceberg,

I am really very shocked at responses like yours and Michael's. I have never been a war player trying to wipe others out (although I wanted for that to happen to some lol). Even I understand the need for wars as deterrents to bad behaviors. LDI on LU is peaceful. We are not the ones hostile bidding players against their wishes. But come on, this game gives you no countermeasure to these forms of asshattery without war declarations. Obviously asking nicely doesn't work. Obviously counter bids and resolutions don't work. Just saying. There is nothing wrong with mentioning the word "war".

JohnGalt and others in LDI are NOT the bad guys. We did not start this. Our efforts have been in trying to build this game up, not bring it down. The same has been for Mndz and Dubletar. We want a good game back!

The Wicked Lady,

Hugs for you too, wicked lady

It makes me happy to see someone wanting to look after the people they play the game with.

We could all benefit from taking more time to consider the impact we have on other players, and less time on our own short term self interest.

It's heartwarming to see player's that are taking the impact on newer, and smaller players into consideration. Simcountry thrives when we work together, not when we tear each other apart.

Hugs you, Daniel. Thank you, I needed that. :-D

You know, I love you ALL!

My apologies then as I did not know John or his fed had already asked this player to stop what he was doing.
I never said John or for that matter anyone else was the bad guy. Unfortunately I did not have all the facts in the matter.
Not sure if I can change my vote or abstain.
Hopefully all will be worked out.
This player has contacted me (to purchase or set up corps) in my country. He seems rather decent so I am rather shocked by what all has transpired.

Thank you, Michael. We don't really have a proper response from this player as to why, just that he will buy more coins and spend whatever money is necessary to do what he wants.

Until I see a cease with his hostile bidding and a public apology to JohnGalt and the community, I will not support this player in any future endeavors.

Daniel.

The only way a man can be peaceful is when he is capable of extreme violence and chooses not to exercise it. The only path to a peaceful simcountry is when common courtesy is mutual between all players. The stick to ensure common courtesy is sim warfare, the carrot is peaceful coexistance. It is how the game was in the beginning and how it should be now.

Sometimes a little fish should stay under rocks and not swim in the deep end with the sharks or talk smack as the case may be.

i agree with johanas and the wicked lady