WAR LEVELS... REBOOTED

Exactly Jojo and Blueserpent has it right, c3 war levels without restrictions will be a great tool for people to learn war which is completely necessary to remove the information imbalance.

Then do something about war protection, it is what actually destroyed the war game before any war level restrictions began.

Sounds good to me. Same sorta idea i was thinking about. Keep war lvl's for c3's and do somthing about war protection. Right now its a double war protection.. you can still get boosters or hide in the lvls for free. Take your pick. Either way, its killed the war game for real presidents.

I believe war protection should only be used by presidents who are going on vacation or going to be away from the game for a while and should not be abused.

I believe that free members shouldn't be allowed to attack full members, and full members can attack free members at any time. This is to prevent someone who register a C3 to attack other full members. I am done with this new war introduction.

War levels is a great plus for the game and isn't going away.

The future of this game is in attracting new players and war levels works great for them.

It also works great for econ players. (Old or new)

The tweak thats needed is to put a cap on war levels to level 4.

I am in war level 3. Is it good idea to dismantle all military units for economic growth? If I dismantle my units, will somebody be able to attack my SC country?

@ maestro. Its no good having half the game as war when u cant actually war...new players come and go..they leave cos the games crap these days.

Advertised as as military and econ game where you CHOOSE which role u want to play has all but been removed.

Like i keep saying...Bring war back,if u want to play econ buy damn war protection

Being econ affords you the cash to buy the war protection...if it doesnt...LEARN

i'm with blue

the new players we have are because of free accounts. while they might like the wl feature, the fact that no one is going to attack a 10M slave, just for the hell of it. wl aren't necessary to protect new players

war levels only protect seasoned players, and vets. the same players that don't want to spend a dime on defense.

the fact is, war protection is cheaper than buying defense, it seems that the econ players want have their cake and eat it to. and it looks like they are getting what they want.

i really hope it works out

There are 3 to 6 thousand countries on each world.

There is enough gravy in this turkey for all of us....New players, veteran war players and econ players.

A simple human war level of 4 should satisfy the veteran war players or am I missing something?

What's really on your mind?

Are you really this stupid? or do you practice?


War has always been a big part of this game, you either hated or liked it.

your choice was learn to fight or put up war protection.

The return of what we are asking for, wouldnt hurt any econ player, only those those that want to play the war game.

backspaces the next sentences b4 i really get pissed with you... just remember econ or not..wp or not...war lvls or not....those big econ ceo's you have, can fall quicker than u may think becareful just how far u antagonize ppl

Offering players a level 4 for total war is extremely reasonable. Remove any war levels higher than level 4.

I believe war players and econ players can agree on this.

yawns.......blueserpent all talk but no show. prove wut u got...dusnt look like maestro2000 to conerned with ur threat.

*sighs

Another fool...thats the point isnt it? war cant be initiated.All we are left with is talk and clicks

Thanks for your intelligent response Paul. Who ever you are. I'm sure if Blue could "Prove wut he got" he would, but unfortunately he can't, "cuz" of war levels. Yes maestro2000, another good idea. There are alot of good Ideas so far and they are all far better then the current setup. If the GM could open this up to debate either on this thread or a new one we might be able to come to some sort of agreement that makes us happier then what we are now. Obviously with 100 plus posts on this subject in just a few days it is a major topic of concern.

All bad ideas. All these bright ideas and 'fixes' will do nothing but please some but not everyone. Bright ideas and fixes is how we got here in the first place. I don't recommend w3c take anyone's advice ever again, not even the advice I just gave. They should do what they want with their game and those like it or not should just play or leave. Stay for what you like about sim, leave for what you don't.

Push for fb, move to fb afterward. If all goes well on fb then you may have a shot.

@blueserpent he who calls or points to some1 as fool, has 4 fingers pointing back too hisself
@homerdome u talk 2 much stfu

sigh

i know, serp, jeese

Bickering isn't going to get anyone anywhere, simple and straight forward solutions will:
*c3 war levels stay to teach players how to fight wars/defend themselves...get them up to lvl 20 and attach good rewards...attach no restrictions and allow players to fight any war level they choose
*Make war protection all or nothing and when leaving war protection attach a waiting period in which players can not dec on others for 15-30 days but they can be decd upon, this will stop players from building up huge amounts of weapons and then dropping wp to dec on others

Simple, straight forward.

Pass again. The game as it was... simple and straight forward. I don't see why we should be entertaining anymore 'ideas' after we ended up here in the first place because of 'ideas'. Nothing is ever that simple.

Weren't war levels suppose to solve this? But no it didn't it hardly addressed anything, but created a whole new subset of issues. Kind of like I said before it was introduced.

From the feedback this was all just a waste of time and resources, just like the 'ideas' being presented now.

The problem is that all the 'ideas' are self serving. The bias takes all the good out of suggestions. Once again we are being tricked into growing a developer's brain. Everyone gets 'ideas' and then GM is supposed to swoops down and make the most of these 'ideas' and then we end up here next month with yet another thread just like this one. But threads like this one is how we got to the second. When does it stop? Never because no matter what is decided, not everyone will agree.

The fact that half the people who pushed for war levels are pushing this thread, is a testament to why none of you should ever be taken seriously again. Lets be honest, W3C gave you all a chance and you blew it.

Again I think the most reasonable suggestion is(biased becuase it is mine lol) to remove the war levels on FB. Which is "The War Planet" btw and let all who want to go back and fight as it was move to FB. Unless FB fills up in the next month and gets to capacity, you have no valid basis to disturb the whole game yet again, in the name of econ or war. Period.

Yes Wendy, we know your 'back to the way it was before' has nothing to do with self serving. Of course what would 'back to the way it was before' mean when exactly? When the war game had already been effectively killed by c3 warfare?

If you want to go back to when the game was probably at it's peak, then go all the way back. Get rid of all protections and blackouts, etc and create a true 'free market' system in which the players police themselves.

I don't know of too many that would favor that but at least it would be honest. Just saying 'go back to when the protections and rules made it most convenient to me' is no less self serving than any other proposals. If you think that any attempt to address problems ultimately leads to other problems, then eliminate all attempts made and let the problems work themselves out.

W3C took an idea I proposed which I don't think anyone had any real issues with, c3's of various strengths arranged in levels with increasing awards to encourage players to learn the war game, then they added other features intended to fix other problems (war protection and player informational imbalance in war). It's not the initial idea that was a problem, it was the conditions attached. Stop trying to lump them together.

"It's not the initial idea that was a problem, it was the conditions attached." -WB

Thats absolutely true. A simple fact is that many people have no interest in being apart of a highly competitive environment. Whiles other thrive in such.

Creating War levels to protect players that don't want to war... I get it. One of those things i have to grind me teeth, and go "ok" I'll refrain from going into depth on that. As its a spin off the subject.

I do think that we'd all be better off, just removing the entire war levels restrictions. And going back to what the war game was before the resent slew of changes. Its been said here and their, WP is cheaper than defense. I'm not sure we need to provide free protection.

But if we MUST have war levels.

their are 2 problems with war levels as they are.

1. No one knows what war level any one is, until they try to dec on them. war levels and black outs should be published openly

2. The restrictions of war levels are to extreme.

Meastro's idea of capping war levels at 4, probably would work. that way, their would be 2 war levels, 3 and 4. And possibly allow the SC to force some one up from 3 to 4. rather than allow some one to "bottom feed." Allowing players of each world set their own criteria, but still allowing "minor league," war level 3.

Other wise, with out that. going up with max war levels to 20, and allowing an up/down window. To allow players a bit of variety in war targets. like a 3 down, 4 up window. so at war level 10, you'd be able to dec on any one from 7 to 14...

As far as giving up in offering ideas... based on the premise that the last idea didn't work, so we should just give up? Well, i'll just get dirty tomorrow, so maybe i shouldn't take a shower... i mean why should i? if i'm just going to get dirty again.

No, this is our game, as much as it is W3C. Games don't exist with out players. And changes that run off players... well, no change is ever going to be 100% good. but that doesn't mean we give up.

as an aside, a possible solution to C3 warriors...

allow the SC to vote to remove WP from specific countries?!?

their of course could be abuse to this, so their'd need to be extra precautions attached to it, like maybe requiring a 2/3 vote? and/or a waiting period after the vote succeeds. shrug.

Viewing War levels:

Change your setting to new and you can see other players war level.

Comeon! Cant anyone say hello these days?