The Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act

"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."
-GEORGE WASHINGTON, Farewell Address, Sep. 17, 1796

By far one of my favorite quotes just to express my opinion on political parties in general.

Getting back to healthcare, I don't believe in caring for those with pre-existing conditions and providing "generous" and sometimes unneeded medical care to the elderly. For one people talk about how the human race is getting unhealthier and unfit. Have you ever thought that maybe it wasn't exclusively our habits but our superiority over the animals and dominion over the Earth? Just think of all those caring the genes to be prone for diabetes. Now think of them 4000 years ago or even just 2000 years ago and how those people were not able to reappropriate due to "premature" death. Now in present day the stupid, ill, cripple and unhealthy get to spread their seed causing the human genes to become much more tainted then natural usually intended.

Needless to say that is a heartless position but from a Utilitarian stand point it makes sense.

That's not utilitarian, that's eugenics.

Or social Darwinism. Congratulations on sharing views with Hitler, Ace2.

Hitler isn't so bad. At least George Bush's family didn't think so. They even helped fuel the war machine leading up to WWII. Grandpa, Pa, and Little Bush were all in Politics too, interesting. Two were even presidents. WOW

@Honey:
And the Arizona shooter was a right wing palin-bush inspired mad man. All white people are bad. The rich are selfish and don't deserve what they have. Also even if that conspiracy was true do you really fault them for taking the money? I certainty would have taken the money... Human nature is like all forces of nature; in that it takes the path of least resistance.

Accordion I don't take the approach of mass genocide or anything of the sort. I guess you could call me a Libertarian even though I hate the use of parties or any sort of political group. I'm a strong believer that life is only worth having when great quality can be attained. I also believe in "ultra" freedom in that one can do anything to one's body and that as long as your exercise of freedom doesn't prevent another enjoyment of their freedom it is permissible. Abortion, Euthanasia and the "right to die"(different from euthanasia) are some things I find acceptable in my political belief in terms of healthcare.

O and a quote Accordion..

" If thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought."
-George Orwell

Hey, I read that essay. Politics and the English Language.

Anyway, insurance companies should not be required by law to hand out policies if they do not voluntarily wish to do so, but once they do, they should be required to abide by the terms of the contract they voluntarily engaged in. Individuals should not be required by law to pay for the insurance policies (or otherwise support the livelihood) of other individuals if they do not voluntarily wish to. Individuals should not be required by law to live if they do not voluntarily wish to.

What is the whole point of freedom, if not to have only relationships and obligations that are taken on voluntarily?

Ace2 Not sure what Conspiracy you are talking about, but...

The proof is in the pudding.


Bush Family Ties Part 1

Bush Family Ties Part 2

Enjoy, check those two links out and tell me if that is a Conspiracy or Fact.

Ace2
when you get so wiped out on alcohol or drugs or fall off your motorcycle when you're not riding with a helmet, please don't ask the rest of us to pay your healthcare cost. if you really believe that you can live your life without any responsibility to the rest of us, so be it, but don't expect anything from us to take care of you when you crap out.

Scarlet,
as it stands now, we still pay the cost of those who are ill and have no insurance. we send people to emergency rooms when they may be at the point of death. this cost an enormous amount of money to keep them alive. the cost is then passed on to the insurance companies or municipalities resulting in higher costs. now, if you don't want to ensure that those without insurance get help, then we have another issue. who will pay for their funerals?

I watched 7 minutes of the first movie. Sounds like the Da Vinci Code with less templars and more Nazis. lol. Never read that book btw. A lot of that sounds like hearsay. Lets say everything is true about the Bush family. Why would/didn't the media which is mostly left leaning say something during the Bush years? Surely they would have loved to linked the Bush's the Nazis...

This sure did run away the actual topic and is more of a arguement then a debate.. :\

last summer i was talking to the CEO of the Houston Medical Center. we were discussing the pending healthcare legislation. he said that if you could eliminate the cost of drug,alcohol,violence,auto accidents,STD's,obesity,and tobacco related illnesses you would reduce the cost of healthcare billions of dollars a year. so much for your personal freedom. if you choose to live your life as such, please don't ask me to pay. i also was talking to the CEO of a large publicly funded hospital here and he said that within five years public hospitals would require that people live healthly lifestyles to receive free healthcare. obesity, tobacco, alcohol, and drugs were the primary concerns.

Line them up on the hill. Soldiers and doctors are over there, too. After the soldiers do their job, so do the doctors( motherfuc... No one would pay money to get their organs cause they are damage by alcohol and other drugs)

Parsifal, freedom is freedom in choices. We are free to make whatever choices we like, but we are never free from the consequences of our choices.

If the choice is between:
1. Free healthcare without free choice of lifestyle
2. Free choice of lifestyle without free healthcare
Which option do you think represents real freedom?

You watched 7 minutes....

Eager to talk, less eager to learn. You moved onto why the MASS media didn't cover it and ignored the raw information that reveals to you what you need to know. You can choose to interpret that any way you wish but the facts are there to be checked.

The media did pick up on the story. How much of the media is another story. The evidence is in the videos, or on google if you cared to care enough to find it. A lack of effort doesn't mean the truth or facts aren't there for you, nor does it make any of what I pointed out less true.

The very first video is a journalist, who went and researched the facts of the Bush Family being tied to the Nazis(using documents obtained from THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS at that), I'm not sure what part of that you consider hearsay. He has a name, he is not an unnamed source who doesn't claim ownership of what he has said. He even challenges you/others to recheck everything he is saying.

The same way the media has perpetuated the story of 9-11 to the US and the world is the same thing that happened with this story. Why didn't the 'left leaning' media pick up on the obvious flaws an untruths about the 9-11 story? Your guess is as good as mine. Lack of media attention does not indicate that something is true or false. In fact I could argue the opposite being more likely in many cases. Congresswoman Giffords was reported dead before they realized they made a mistake. The MASS media reported that 20(well known to intelligence) hijackers boarded planes simultaneously, four or more to a flight, and ran planes into the twin towers. Did that make that story true? What happened when they(The MASS media) figured out 5 of them were alive and well after the attacks, and have not a single second of footage of any of the accused hijackers ever boarding their planes nor any Arab/Muslim names on any of the flight manifestos? Get my drift?

The Tunisia riots are for the most part excluded from American media, even with the flow of video onto youtube. Should the lack of US media coverage mean it isn't really happening?

The point is you deliberately ignored the information, which can be checked and/or proven to ask why the media covers what it covers, which is totally irrelevant(In this context at least). You would have to ask them that, but the proof is still there.

Oh and Ace since real information doesn't tickle you, you could always click the "Hitler Reacts to Boxxy being Hacked" video in the sidebar. It is pretty funny, entertaining, and fiction. Maybe that is more up your alley. I try to put something on my blog for everyone to enjoy.

Enjoy

Scarlet,
you're right about consequences. but our culture has taken the attitude that somehow freedom is not linked to others. if a skier decides to go on the black courses and doesn't know how to ski he should leave his money for rehab at the bottom of the hill so we don't have to bear the cost of another persons stupidity.

it's the height of narcissim to believe that as free agents we have no obligations to others. it's like saying, "i am the center of the universe and i can do anything i want, but if i screw up, you've got to save me". same goes for not staying in school and being a productive member of society. or having a baby at fourteen (both boy and girl), etc.

as you know, i generally come down on the side of compassion and interconnectedness, but some of this so-called libertarianism needs a bit of reality. you do the crime--you do the time.

i also don't think that your two choices are the only choices.

True freedom
Until he was a young man the Buddha lived a sheltered life. His father took great pains to ensure that he did not see the pain and misery of the world outside his cocoon But one day he broke out of that world and saw a side of life that he had never seen before. It caused him great sadness and wonderment. Why is the world as it is? That’s a question that most humans may never ask to the extent that the Buddha did, but it is always there. It was only after years of reflection and meditation that he came to realize that none of us is the center of the universe—that we are all interconnected and that true enlightenment only comes when we can let go of ego and merge into this interconnectedness.

In a sense Jesus said the same thing—that our problem as humans is that we want to not only be like God, but to be God with unlimited power and freedom. But he too helped us understand that we must let go of ego to be whole and connected to God, to others and self. It’s a hard concept to grasp and for the Buddha it took nearly a lifetime to grasp. They both said that giving away self enables us to let go of self which gives us true freedom. Giving up self also demands responsibility to life and to others. But we are no longer alone as we are if we only see ourselves as the center of the universe without obligations, responsibilities and relationships.

I realize this is an oversimplification of a very complex concept, but in my own imperfection, they have liberated me to be something that I would not have been otherwise.

what's all this talk about Bush being a eugenics practicing Nazi...he wont even fund stem cell research because it would be playing God or some bullshit

I don't see a problem with government run healthcare take out the insurance company (the middleman) and it could be Much more cost efficient

the real issue though is people being so unhealthy my one major injury or disease that required medical attention was a broken collar bone which cost probably 20 dollars of salarys and a 2 dollar sling plus equipment for x rays which everyone uses collectively multiple times if people were healthier then healthcare wouldn't be such a problem sports or an exercise class should be required as an avert school activity for our kids instead of schools just feeding people less and having then go home all hungry and eat a box of twinkies

lol its all a race to see whos currency going to fail 1st the Usa has almost no hope we will have to do bankruptcy soon or later we have 57T in debt http://www.usdebtclock.org/ and the Eu even tho they dont has as much debt they are doing almost as bad as us there debt may be small but have lots for there size

Please, Jesus, give me strength...

Alexandrov,

So what you are saying is you want your health care run by the people that run the Bankrupt Post Office?

lol good point....its worked in many other countrys why not here are we not good enpugh?? i think not

asgard your post is uninformed we have 15 trillion debt and the EU is "bigger" then the US economically and yes does have less debt

"Power Grows out of the barrel of a gun."(Al Capone i believe) Blood is its water,sulfur its food, ashes its fruit, corruption its seed, and chaos its fields.

The US government is over the 200 year mark that is the average lifespan of a republic. It's flaws though few compared to many others, have had a full life to cause a rot from the inside.

You want something to change? Blockade the Whitehouse, Capitol, and the Court, fill the streets of washington and kick every bastard good and bad out of there, shut the stupid media up Liberal and conservative BC neither are true or really care. and start over. and if they refuse Burn the place down and let the swamp take it back. Bc the damn swamp its built on top of is the only thing that's worth anything.

But it wont happen. Why? BC they have the population spoiled, and pacified. Democrat Republican neither of them fricken care thats just a show. Politics is a game and Party is just the symbol they put on their campaigns and base the speeches around.

The only President worth having is the one that the Media, and the "Congress" collectively and unanimously hate, and same goes for Congressmen. Politicians are Vain and Statesmen are powerless.

But the one way it can change wont happen. Because they have us all arguing over #($* that Doesn't matter, doesn't really change the course of the country, and keeping us divided with pointless debates that they dont care about. those guys that when congress is in and you see them almost cussing each other out? yeah they play golf on weekends. but we're too distracted by arguments. and when we're not arguing we got our mind on games in our modern Colosseums Just as the Romans did.

W00t W00t!!

Laguna: Amen!
Luke: It was Mao Tse-Tung who used that phrase, and he backed it up by murdering more of his own people than Hitler ever thot of. Exact figures are impossible to verify, but conservative estimates are between 50 million and 75 million dead.
I find myself unable to respond to this post without causing offense (probably). Suffice to say that I agree with some of what is here re: smaller gov't, less meddling in personal freedom, and yet personal responsibility as well. Some of you, the younger ones, i think, are clueless (sorry, but it's true). With the passing of the WW2 generation, followed closely by the Korean war vets, are we really going to have to re-learn the lessons of totalitarianism all over again??
One last thing before I start ranting: almost all large corporations were invoved in selling to Nazi Germany during the war, to some extent, at least until 1942-1943 on. The U.S was officially neutral until the end of 1941, by which time the war had been going on for over 2 years. If you check, you will see that the Kennedys were involved in this international trade, as well. To single out the Bush family for spotlighting is disingenuous at best. Hell, even during WW1 the Brits were trading oil for German sniper scopes thru Switzerland, until the kaiser put the kibosh on it because he was losing too many officers. (Crafty, can you verify this?) Allied corporations in WW2 did business with I.G. Farben corporation, a German company that made EXTENSIVE use of slave laborers from the concentration camps. I could go on, but i said I wouldn't rant...