The Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act

Oh, the american Congress has the most creative people employees.

Should we follow Portugal's creativity and beg for other countries to bail us out?

Maybe if you read the news instead of browsing, you would have written Wall Street, Ireland or Greece.

And of those three, only Wall Street begged.

lmao

Border C, almost every country in Europe have free and universal health care. If you think the healt care cost too much and the financial problems are because of that... you should read and study more. Germany, France and other countries don't have financial problems and have free health care.

The money we spend in health care are the less of our problems. I can't understand why the people in USA are afraid of free and universal health care. This is a sign of selfish. But...well... when we see a country that don't want others to have atomic bombs, but is the only country who had ever used them... or a country that make wars because of oil, and have in prison people without being judged, or... do torture,etc etc.

*American (capitalized)

Selfishness is a virtue . . . perhaps reserved only for the free and the brave?

Nationalities are not capitalized under my orthography. Just because I write in english, it doesn't mean I follow all of its rule, even though I am aware of them.

Selfishness is king among the blind.

Scarlet, perhaps... but whatchout for the patriot act. We never know when they will knock on our door.

Selfishness is the foundation of capitalism, individual rights, personal property, etc. If selflessness is so good, why not just have communal property and a moneyless society where everyone is equal and receives equal benefits?

EDIT: The correction was a bit tongue-in-cheek, Laguna. As an American, I'm obligated to a certain level of self-important nationalism. Maybe other Americans are losing this sense, but I'm sure my breed isn't altogether dead. In all honesty though: if there were a more American (in the sense of ideology rather than mere nationalism) country than the USA, I'd jump ship and move there.

You're French.

I remember when we used to have debates and such on IRC Laguna(It's Ace if you remember me from years ago) about like topics and current affairs. I miss those days..

Any who why wouldn't they repeal it? According to the polls a good majority do not approve of the bill and the reasoning "O they don't know what’s in it and that’s why they don't like it" is a bit stupid if you ask me... For one, why not tell the American people what is in the bill unless no one in this country actually knows what is in it. Given that certainly no one knows how it will actually affect healthcare and the deficit.

One thing I really don't like about the bill is the size. Because they couldn't agree on certain parts they had to get all the million parts they wanted and duct tape them together while still making the bill larger by supergluing things like Student loan reform on it as well..

Needless to say our (US) Congress shouldn't be playing arts and crafts when we have such a horrible mess of a recession. How can we know what is wrong and how to fix it if they keep changing the equation on us?

I agree with Jose. What's wrong with semi-free or free universal healthcare? In Australia, we have MediCare, so that if you're poor, you don't have to live with broken limbs because you don't have all that much money. It hasn't killed our economy.

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But...well... when we see a country that don't want others to have atomic bombs, but is the only country who had ever used them... <!-/Quote-!>

Well... would you prefer that the United States had not participated in World War II?

Or would you prefer it that the United States DOES want other countries to have atomic bombs?

If neither, what is your point?

To all you young whippersnappers: don't mess with my medicare, my social security and my pension. Be sure you start saving at least 10% of your wages, since most of you don't pay any income tax (it's returned at the end of the year) and you won't be able to rely on healthcare after you're over 50 and receive have limited ss, if we have it for young generation. Hopefully you won't be laid off more than two or three times in your lifetime and not be unemployed for more than six months at a time, since this will wipe out all your savings. and figure on working until you're seventy five unless you can't get healthcare and die at a younger age. But since many of you are libertarians i'm sure you're buying gold and hiding it in your refrigerator. And by the way, be sure and keep me alive with tubes and stuff in the last months of my life costing you millions of dollars because we're afraid of "death panels". I also want a heart transplant when i'm 95 so i can creep around in the old folks home dribbling all over myself and not knowing who i am. And don't forget to blame immigrants for our healthcare woes, even though they are younger, having more children that would change the demographics and if educated would not only funnel more money into the ss and medicare and healthcare system, but would help kick China and India's butts by producing more engineers and scientists.

i'm partially doing this tongue in cheek, but the austerity programs that Europe and Japan are dealing with are coming to your hometown soon. My generation has done a lot for this world, but we've also made a lot of mistakes. We've lived on credit, both as individuals and as gov't believing we can put it off until tomorrow. That makes me sad, since i believe it didn't have to be that way. As an older American i believe that we will all have to make sacrifices and not think we can live in lala land forever. That means me too. We need healthcare and other developed countries in the world have systems that provide that. It may not be gold plate and they've got their problems but it's adequate. If you're twenty five and healthy you may not see why you should have health insurance, but you will. There's a lot of problems with what we've had in the past and what we'll have in the future. But if we keep our heads in the sand and not face reality, you will be the ones to suffer the most. The political theatre that we've seen on this subject over the past few years is almost comical, if it were not so tragic.

My particular problem with this bill is its terrible, terrible, terrible name. That's why I didn't write anything about it. It was also an indication that some politicians have reduced themselves to think through slogans.

Yes, I remember you, Ace. Welcome back.

Well spoken Jojo

I like the name. LOL, it's funny.

Could be even better, though...perhaps The Repealing the Job-Killing, Bureaucracy-Feeding, Big Government-Fertilizing, Overall Perverse-Incentivizing, So-Called "Health Care" Act.

edit: Thanks, EC

Parsifal is right just the young dont know about it yet and its going to slam them in face when it does

For a nation where many people claim that we are a Christian nation, we sure seem to be in denial about death. Stay young and prolong life as long as possible, even though there's no quality of life.

Your Wisdom is refreshing Parsifal.

"Stay young and prolong life as long as possible, even though there's no quality of life. "

I'm a proponent of the right to die and euthanasia. I find it morally wrong to keep sustaining life when no utility or meaning can be sought by it.

Also on a more sly and grim note not having to pay for great life sustaining measures a great deal of people go through sure would reduce healthcare costs. >_>

thanks PH and The Don.

I agree with Laguna, politics does seem to be all about slogans, spin doctors, catch phases, hooks, manipulated public opinion polls et al. All smoke and mirrors and no substance. Real leaders have balls, something I dont see anywhere in the western world.

The philosophy that always rang the most true with me was: The only people who should be allowed to be politicians are those who don't want the job.

Hugs and respect

Jo

The changing demographics of America don't care a whit for political partisanship or ideology.

A decent private health care plan currently runs for 20-25k per annum. The lower end for a little less. This one is case were market forces won't come to the rescue. Demand is far outstripping supply and will explode in the next ten years as the boomers retire. Simple economics shows that prices will continue to escalate dramatically.

Look for states to expand their current child coverage to lower income adults and eventually all but the highest tax brackets. Single payer systems are inevitable and hardly the end of the world. Covering the costs of the demand side does not entail nationalizing the supply side as anyone who examines other health care systems throughout the world can readily ascertain.

Unfortunately, this "issue", like virtually every other in American polity, is inunadated in ideological rhetoric and duplicitous posturing from both sides of the spectrum.
Forget the Federal Government. It is a derailed train incapable of anything but insubtantial gestures to placate and/or inflame its hysterical constituencies.

Again, the various states won't wait for a recalcitrant Congress and will inovate on their own.

Make of that what you will.