Isolationist economy

im wondering if the gm knows what numbers of corps would be required to make an economy in the game that produces everything needed for the production of corps and the population

its impossiable lol

I've tried that myself, it can never be done.

I used to be able to do it. But with the last year its become very hard. With 2CEO and a main you can but it be VERY difficult

why its just finding the right number of corps isn't it?

there can be leftovers that can be sold on market but no imports

Way to many products needed to make it feasable,

As said, you can with huge amounts of corps and contracts make your people self-sufficient. However that would be in "Mercantilism" manner since you would avoid imports but still export.

Many corps are never going to make a profit, so it is also expensive.

If you are talking about autarky, it is not possible.

I tryed at first but it seemed every corp I built needed 2 new support corps. Talk about a snowball,got carried away now have over 280 corps in ent,150 in Country,BUY,BUY,BUILD,BUILD, CRASH.LOL

Of course it's feasible you just need enough people ....one of every corp at least with multiple electric oil and other such corps I'm just wondering if the gm... Since they designed the corps know the perfect ratios needed

I am talking about autarky

Bella its NOT fesable.

many have tried, i'm the one who prides myself on self sufficiency. Best ive ever been able to do is about 30%. I have 2-750corp and empire of 5 with 500M total population and i barely break 30% its not possible, stick to weapons/space when being self sufficient let the market do the rest

Bella its NOT fesable.

many have tried, i'm the one who prides myself on self sufficiency. Best ive ever been able to do is about 30%. I have 2-750corp and empire of 5 with 500M total population and i barely break 30% its not possible, stick to weapons/space when being self sufficient let the market do the rest

if you have corps or countries specializing in every available product in the sc world, theoretically it's possible. if it's not possible then something is wrong with the game. but of course having the right number of people/population would still be the base of the whole foundation.

I suppose I believe you supersoldier.... maybe if the game had a better contract system? anyways I only have 30 million people so it was more theoretical just wondering if the gm had a outline of how the perfect economy with no shortages would work

Theoretically, it is not possible.

The idea is simple: for every corp, you will need two to supply it.

These are not the numbers, but you get the point. That's why I tell you people to conquer C3s and build corps if you see a lot of "green".

its not possible for one Corp to supply several other corps?.. so if you have an oil Corp supplying an electric Corp then you build another electric Corp you wont need another oil Corp

interesting, for every corp need two to supply it? then it's an infinite loop without end?

there is no full economy for a country in this game then?

It's probably not possible for 100% isolation, but you can get pretty close. By value of products I already have 82.5% local exports, 75.6% in local corp imports and 88.9% in local country imports. These numbers are skewed because of my country purchasing military equipment. (not a necessity)
This does however exclude all infrastructure purchases and most potential military purchases.

It should be possible to build a country/empire which creates everything it needs (100% local imports for corps+country) but actually exports intentionally too. Doing the math tells me my county needs 88% of what it produces, and that is excluding the fact that my corps are at 123% production, not 100%. with this in mind, the figure is around 72%, with high welfare, high salaries and no military you could probably push this futher down.

Self sufficientcy is possible, at least for a while that is. This is because as your population grows, they will need more, thus needing more corporations and then need to be supported and etc. It would need a huge number of corporations, as well as population, so a VERY complicated equation would need to be created before you even try to be self sufficient. Not to mention the balance between population growth and income that would have to be created to keep people where they are.

Nope. Not even the worlds are "self-sufficient".

The worlds aren't because of people developing infrastructure, warring, and building the wrong corps. Also because every time a country is unregistered, all the infrastructure in the country resets.

Assuming my country can be taken as nothing special, the fact is any country can make more than it uses (by value of product), therefore it can be self sustaining, the only reason it isn't and it's so difficult is many corps produce more of their product than what can be consumed (one Fruit Juice corp supply's around 1.5 billion people)

I don't think a formula is necessary, just looking at your corps and building what they need to supply them will eventually result in a self sustaining economy. The best way to do this would be to start with a massive population (probably more than 100 million people), build enough corps so the country imports 100% locally, then so that first wave of corps are all locally supplied ,and repeat. Eventually you will have corps overlapping and 100% local imports for your country and corps.

No, that's not the reason. And it is a fairly poor excuse at that, since the amount of adjustment is quite small compared to the rest of the system. I wrote that one can't close the loop, because you'll need a disproportionately higher amount of corps step by step.

You are all welcome to try as much as you want. But don't complain after you fail. And then don't complain about "poor design" - it is what it is, and quite frankly it is among the best around.

Thought of two ways of testing this:

1. Look at the market situation of a single product. Divide the shortage (surplus) by the amount a single corp produces in a month. This will tell you how many corps are necessary to be built (closed) to close the gap.

Now, multiply the Corps in Deficiency (Excess) by the number of workers needed to supply a single factory of the product in question. With this you will know how many workers need to be relocated to the market.

Repeat the step for all products.

Now, what do you do? Sum of all the numbers. If the number is 0, then yes you can have a closed economy. If it is negative, then you would need an infinite amount of pop to be in autarky. If positive, then you need 0 population.

Of course, there are disturbances in the short-run or some aspect unique to the period in question, so it is highly improbably that it will be exactly 0, even if you could have autarky. So, what to do? i) leave weapons out of the analysis, ii) use an average over several periods, iii) use hypothesis testing.


2. Repeat the step for all worlds.

Order the numbers in ascending order. Order the worlds in ascending order by population. These should match.

If the order does not match, it is a possible result of the disturbances or you may indeed have a (slim) chance at autarky.



I suggest someone runs the numbers before adding to this conversation. If many of you are that interested in this, then you can use Google Drive to coordinate and gather the data simultaneously.