The Arab spring is in full "BLAST" agian

good question palm and I would be a no but I use logic and reason to figure out that we are fighting a bunch of egotistical narcissist racist monstors if you will you lead a bunch (actually a small minority) of confused uneducated pawns they cant all be monstors so the only other explanation is that they are undereeucated or depressed and they convince themselves that they aren't miserable by joining a worthy cause

and crafty their is no way for you to know weather you instinctively know what is right or wrong...I disagree with
you on that.

"may the FBI monitor your pro terrorism posts"

LOL......but seriously no

obviously I agree that these terrorists are wrong in their moral convictions as I am a westerner BUT the apologists bring up some good points I just hope that our interventions in the middle east create a more reasonable society so we can get along if not isolationism

oh yah and scarlets post did make sense

the pawns and leaders are both dedicated the most of the pawns probably are fighting for what they honestly believe or they wouldn't be fighting because they don't receive any other benefit really

like I said the only explanation is they are depressed and undereeucated

uh I have a question

the terrorist believe it is ok to kill for their beliefs we believe it is ok to kill for our beliefs when confronted with an obstacle

they are killing us Indiscriminately

can we kill them indiscriminately? do we have the fortitude to protect our beliefs

and crafty if apparently we know instinctively what's right and wrong why is it that apparently they don't?

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Wrong. You have no right to kill to impose your rights upon others, not even the 'we' you speak of!

Crafty I think we are on the same page here. You say that there is a natural code of conduct, of moral rights and wrongs. I agree, I just said it in a different way.

+1 Serpent, should have said that earlier. I think many should educate themselves on what liberty means, and what civil liberties are.

Crafty I said that you decide to ignore the imbalance of violence against them. Would you like to count who has killed more of the others people. You ignore this, and declare them as evil and despicable yet there is no sense of morality passion or innate sincerity with that logic. Also no one knows what is right or wrong instinctly, if I were to pick on easy read, one you could get through and not take up too much of your time, I recommend David Hume that should clarify your talking out of your *** a bit. Good day

Why would I read yet another opinion on this subject? I know what I think, because I think about it. Think.

As I said several times, I am not singling out Muslims or any creed, race or religion in particular. I may have used particular events as examples. Such as in your idea that 'they' have received far more violence than dished out. Depends how far you go back dude. Islam tried to take over the whole of Europe many moons ago, but ended up in like Turkey and Egypt and around there. They were merciless. Does that not count? Its been going on for centuries.

So did Christianity, the Crusades, missionaries in China (which my family has a large history of), converting the natives, haha. (<-- sarcasm).

P.S. Maybe you dont know what is right or wrong instinctivly Drew, but you have no right to deny that anyone else does. I do. It IS wrong to kill or incite anyone else to kill over a belief in a diety that you cannot even honestly say you have seen, met, talked to or have any proof of their very existance. It is barbaric in the true sense of the word, pre-caveman, and mainly not conducive to the development of the Human race.

I defy you to deny that fundamental truth.

Yes there has been major hostilities from them to. So I'll score that point as too much research either side would care to do. Because I mean if you go back farther you have tons of slavery and economic oppression.

I DENY that fundamental fallacy 100%! Our brains concieve the idea of death through our experience. We use those ideas associated with it to develop a value system of what life is worth independent from the majorities opinion. We use EXPERIENCE to develop more ideas and set our values on several other things such as god and among the others. None of this is instinctual. A blind deaf person will not hesitate to kill someone for the most miniscule reason because they have not experienced the same humanity as we have. The truth is the majority of unenlightened people don't kill for the sole reason of avoiding any punishment. The sole reason that these punishments exist is so that people can be productive, whoever concieved the idea of not killing anyone stood to benefit from it personally I'm almost certain. I think you post to hastily because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Well, there you go Drew.

You think it can be OK to kill someone in the name of your God if they insult him/her/it.

Someone stood to gain from making murder punishable.

Murder is punishable so people can be productive.

A blind deaf person will not hesitate to kill for the most miniscule reason.

You, son, are ill. Get help. Stop smoking whatever you smoke or dropping whatever you drop. Go seek out some veterans (of war), some lifers in prison or talk to your spitual/religious guru. Even better, enlist and go see for yourself.

you completely missed my point serpheant

go back up to scarlets comment serphesnt and actually stay with the conversation

I don't think drew is saying a lot of that stuff for himself crafty he is seeking to understand a completely new culture and he is saying what makes us more right

like scarlet said the only solution is killing or reforming somehow

WHY THE HELL WOULD I SERVE AN INSTITUTION THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF MY COUNTRIES ECONOMY AND PUSHES THEIR VALUES AND PEES ON THE CORPSES OF THOSE THAT VIEW THINGS DIFFERENTLY FROM THEM!!!!!!!?

Did you read David Hume? I doubt beause you haven't told me I'm right yet.

What terrorist needs to do to U.S now, is to blow up their Liberty of Statue. Its the Liberty of Statue is what keeping U.S alive and kicking. Some dick will eventually blow it up.

Why? Because you need a dose of reality.

Ah. Thats the weak point then. Gotch ya.

whatever anthony

1. The Number of Muslims killed in the name of Islam in Afghanistan before intervention "unknown"
2. The number of "terrorist" killed after 9/11 not enough!!
3. price paid by unimaginable,
4. Will they continue, without a doubt.
5. should we continue "Yes" until the seed of hate has been exterminated with extreme prejudice
6. yes I have been over there....heck if the is a "stan" at one time or another I have been there and have seen firsthand and by all indications it is but a select few however, the numbers dwindle everyday

That is horrendous

I didn't understand that at all?