White Giant Security Council Aid requests (White Giant)

Thank you Jo,
I am aware of how the Security Council works.
'But as Jo said, the money is there to help NEW players get started'. That is simply false. The funds can be used for Untied development aid.

I was against your original proposal becuase the player declared war with no ammo and spent alot of money the month before hand. It was also not clear anyone was advising him or her.

I'm not against using some of the funds for Untied development aid, but I believe advertising to do so would be irresponsible on our part, particularly with false claims.

As members of the Security Council we took an oath to make responsible decisions. Other programs could be interesting but seeking ways to drain the coffers is not my idea of being a responsible Councilor.

Synicus, I note that you do not dispute my point that the funds can only be used in development aid. Thank you for that. Presumably you now agree that they are not there for the purposes of "maintaining peace and security".

A couple of inaccuracies in your last post: it was perfectly clear that someone was advising the last player to receive aid, as I stated myself that I was advising them. Also, no one on the Security Council has taken an oath. We are urged by the Gamemaster to "use our wisdom to make the planet a better world", but we are free to ignore that if we wish. Not that I wish to do so but, of course, each person's definition of "a better world" differs and others may not see my actions in that way. I have to say, though, that I am struggling to see how you are using your position on the SC to improve the planet.

The Security Council currently has 580T funds available for development aid. Personally, I consider it irresponsible for that cash to just sit there gathering dust, when it could be encouraging more people to keep playing this game. Thus advertising its availability is essential if one is to act responsibly but, of course, you disagree. That is the nature of our different notions of 'responsibility'. I do, however, doubt that we would ever "drain the coffers". Even if every proposal was for the full amount of 5T, we would still need to approve 116 separate aid packages before we ran out of funds. That's one every three days for the next RL year ... assuming the funds never get replenished which, of course, they do.

I would also very much like you to clarify what you mean by "false claims".

Peter: I would gladly start a proposal for your country, but I believe Security Council members are limited in how often they can do this. If no one else does I will happily make the attempt but, even if I am able, it may be easier to convince the player base to endorse it if a different member of the Security Council supports you. Are any other members of the Security Council willing to step up for this one?

Hugs and respect

Jo

thank you jo salkilld, i appreciate what you sai, im not here after a huge sum only a little to give it that boost, also im not investing in defence of offence so it will be used peacefully. im new to the game but understanding it well thanks to alan,
if im a member who you find undeserving of a little boost i think at least alan should be given the chance to prove that he can turn his country round, im next to his nation so have the chance to check in on his nation all the time, he is trying his best and is doing ok on getting it back on track, i think a little money into his bank might do his economy the world of good

many thanks

glad this thread has stayed active...

Unfortunately, no other member of the Security Council has come forward to back the aid proposal, so I will look at the feasibility of proposing aid myself. Peter, please cancel your country's secrecy settings so that I can evaluate it in advance of proposing an aid package.

Finance and defence details are not available and this is crucial in assessing your need for aid.

Hugs and respect

Jo

im sorry finance i can agree to but because of security issues you must respect that i cannot allow my defence to be shown

Then I'm afraid, Peter, that I won't be able to propose aid.

There is no reason not to temporarily drop your defence index security, unless you are planning to make war on another player: your country is secured and cannot be attacked, therefore there is no chance that revealing your DI will put you at risk.

There is no reason to drop secured mode unless you are planning to attack another player, therefore other players will assume that your reluctance to reveal your DI is a prelude to a PvP war. No one will vote aid to someone who will use it to attack another.

Hugs and respect

Jo

I need aid at sekeres on white giant, I've never been in a war and have disbanded all troops that it will allow me to. I can't seem to attract the attention of an enterprise because my taxes are to high, but if I go any lower I start accumulating major debt, can't ssem to stay in the green, and now i'm slowly dropping to level 1 because i can't maintain infastructure/medical/education. I guess i didn't take advantage of enough of the 2 a day login bonuses in the beginning.

The best way to attract CEO corps is to join a large federation or advertise your state corps for sale on this forum. CEOs will often buy state corps that aren't too expensive which would be a better option for you, as you have low unemployment and wouldn't be able to sustain any more corps at the moment.

The other option is to start your own Enterprise, buy twelve of your cheapest state corps and then IPO the rest over to it. The extra profit your country makes should cover the 30 GCs per month to keep your new enterprise registered, and you will need one once you get to level 6 as you can't progress further without it.

I'm happy to start an aid proposal but it would be better if another member of the Security Council does this. Please would any WG SC members who are happy to propose aid for Sekeres post here.

Hugs and respect

Jo

ive already messaged ththeth about requesting aid but i saw this thread so i guess ill request it here aswell ive recently conquered a C3 and have made it my leader country but many of it corporations were road matinence so i closed them and built new corps but the arent making much money yet and my worker numbers were all out of wack so ive been working on that aswell and this whole time i havnt been making any money and im in debt and some aid would be very helpful to increase my education and health you can look at all my countries indexes The Grand State of Monto

Is there any progress on this request

I really need some aid. My nation is The United State of Megnotata

I cannot attract attention of the CEOs because my tax is too high, but if hy tax is low I will loose money.

I would gladly apply for some aid, for further research on health, education, business, etc.. development. I have a bankroll of ..what, 200Billion dollars? (i need to maintain 1 trillion for Game Level 3 req).

I wouldn't really care how much it is, anything fine really.
But then again, life's dont really depend on it.

Michael G. You have 3 military corps in a country with only 10 million people. That is 3 very massive money suckers right there in such a young country. You also have a couple unprofitable companies on top of the money guzzlers. And ... you are building yet another unprofitable corp.

I would suggest closing the military corps and all unprofitable corps. Don't build corps until all the ones you do have are at 100%. Build military corps later on after your country developes, you have no need for them now and young countries can not sustain multiple military corps.

If you choose to lower your taxes with a promise to hit 0 when you start making money and you close those unprofitable corps, I'm sure ceo's will build or relocate to your country as your population allows.

If you keep building state run corps then at least build profitable ones and close the military and unprofitable ones.

Well, I need the military ones to supply my own nation.

hey i need AIDE for the "The United Kingdom of Mindao" because my economy is messed up but is not a war driven country also if possible AIDE for my other country "The Empire of Liam bax"

Weedman ... you are losing money every month and even if you are granted aid, it will go down the drain of your negative monthly balance.

I suggest you sell your defensive weapons - you don't need them as your country is secured and you cannot be attacked as you are at WL1.

You should also close down your loss-making corps. Coal, copper, gold, iron, minerals, sulfur, cement, clothes, glass and plastics rarely make money. Work on the index requirements for the next level. That is your best way to improve your country and you will be able to build better corps that way.

Also, reduce your tax to zero and invite CEOs to build or buy your remaining state corps. That will make you more money than anything else.

If you can do those things and turn a tiny profit each month, it will be worth the SC granting you aid to clear your debt and set you on the road to success.

Hugs and respect

Jo

Hmmm...why we just dont accept that that country aid is ATM for world economy...every dollareuro is going to be spend and we all pocket it through economy. So why you peaple care what these players do?

I am making positive in both countries now Jo because i got CEO's to come to my country and closed some corps if their is anything else i can do to fix it i would be glad if you told me. also if you can get the SC to help me now that would be great.

Well done for turning it around Weedman. I have started an aid proposal. Please everyone, vote in favour.

Magicabe: we care because the game is better for all of us if more people play it.

Hug and respect

Jo

thank you Jo very kind of you

also if you could help the other country i mentioned "The Empire of Liam bax" if asking for help twice is to much i understand

Weedman, I included what you need for both countries in the single aid package. SC$4T ought to cover both

Hugs and respect

Jo

but you can like only transfer 1 million a month