Capitalistic Nature of this Game

That question is flawed. Capitalism is founded in control. People love America because of the opportunities. And those opportunities aren't for everyone. So people love this country because their controlled or their deceived. There isnt that kind of deception in other countries.

Anywho my argument stands. Moneyless is unique is to your system, every country uses money. Many countries use universal healthcare you don't see an option to raise your welfare by x and eliminating all welfare from heathcare to 0. The same could happen for education. Most governments have closer economic classes you don't see any options to raise income taxes or manipulate the salaries of workers in comparison to other workers. You don't see wealth off citizens like rich HTX capable of owning an operating a HT corp. You don't see countries with high unemployment, low population and low welfare doing their own farming lowering the amount of food government needs to feed. You don't see manufacturing contracters empty corps that produce whatever goods asked. These are real world used pronciples in the world, anything never utilized should not be added until this game better simulates options available in the real world.

I also think it's ironic that the corporate world rewards people for being creative in creating a system that doesn't reward creativity. Because think of this once your system is adopted and you get compensated for it. You won't get to eat again until you do something completely new.

Food for thought if the capitilists are truly scared of you they wouldn't give you an education. Or your ignorance could be more dangerous. Once you are educated then you will learn what's wrong with your manifesto.

lol good food....im not sure i understand the rest of your post were you talking to me or were you responding to trumans last posts about loving your country

Truman. I probably should have proof read a little better. I'm just reafirming my stance that you can't give an imaginery option to the game until you give real world alternatives.

Lol it's Trumm. Truman was the dick who dropped A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

WOW im not even going to try to debate that... you no what they say you cant argue with the insane or delusional......i thought it use to be truman i remember you changing it sorry i will remember next time do you understand my stance now on loving your country because i still dont understand what your point was

Look at the Amish. They don't use money in their own communities, and they do just fine. The only reason they have stagnated is because they believe that technology is a sin; at its heart, it's a somewhat anarcho-religious variant of proletarianism. If you look at the way their communities operate, you will find that it very closely parallels what I envision, at least on the economic side of it. There is my real world example.

No. My name was never Truman.

Are you suggesting that I am insane, just because I believe something different than you do? There's a capitalist for you! You are not the first person who has dismissed me as insane and delusional. I am not deluded though. Insane? Perhaps. But not deluded.

lol ok i thought it was truman for awhile sorry...can you tell me what percentage of the population decides they want to be amish...and why do you think that is....there is a large difference in the ammount complication there is in an amish community VS a modern country it would take an extremely large beauracracy to run your state just as in a socialist state yet you complain that socialst economys are inefficient what about yours you never said there was any difference between your economy and a socialist economy except you dont use money and yours is basically almost communism i would say yours is more inefficient

I thought Gunther's reply was going to be: Are you calling me a capitalist? There's a communist for you!

Actually, I do know communists like that.

I agree with gunther there. The more accountability you need the more administration, the more the administration the less people you have growing your country. And then there is the whole against robots taking jobs away thing, which would be a godsend for your country.

At least this takes us away from religious 'debates'

This debate has gotten nowhere for anybody. All of us are deeply entrenched in our stances and I can tell that nobody is going to convince anyone else anytime soon. So I am ending this pointless argument. Let's agree to disagree.

NOOOO!!!!!

Challenging the system is the only way to evolve the system. I appreciate your outlook, and I'm estatic someone is still willing to think outside the box.

I don't agree with you, fine. No one else does fine. But in part because you are unwilling to redefine and come up with culpable solutions to the problems that present itself in your system. Don't think you need to change our minds. You're focus should be twofold (getting this suggestion approved for sc {should probably give up on that one], and to take intellegent criticism from the community to grow your system into something that no one can argue. Create a Utopian government! But the thing is you should be realizing the faults in your system and adapting your system to minimize the fualts. Your probably still a young kid, you should know that with some insight you can grow as a person and combat new barriers that stand in your way. I'm only 25 myself BUT... I'm not willing to accept the fact that any of my ideas or ideals can be built upon and improved. Either should you. When I say robots will free up labor to increase the level of productivity in your state without having a negative impact on your employment, you should be like oh my gosh you are right! When I ask you should the motivation of the workforce be how much stuff they should get. You should be able to answer yes, or no, or begin to comprehend the situation. When the question moves to how difficult self sustainability is you should consider alternative plans to remedy the situation. Not stay complacent in your current design. If you have fallen into this. I only have one more thing to say. "That's a National Proletariat for you, unwilling to listen to anything that doesn't fit with exactly what he thinks." If you haven't fell into the grasp of egotism then I look forward to hearing your reply.

Well, I acknowledge that all of you have brought up many problems with national proletarianism. However, I believe that I have reasoned many of them out to find the implications of the issues at hand. Many of the problems that have been examined were due to a misunderstanding of my theories. An example of that would be the issue of rewarding inventors. You simply misunderstood the theory. This accounts for at least a few of the issues with my system. The other issues are indeed problems with the system itself.
Regarding robots: The issue that I have with using robots to free up labor is that it takes jobs away from humans. National Proletarianism is run by manpower. Human labor is essential. Going back to the concept of trading your labor for your desires, if robots are doing the labor for you, then you have not earned your keep. While it would increase productivity, I cannot see why we would need this increase in productivity, at least in most fields of work. In national proletarian society technology is used to make your job easier, NOT to do your job for you. Besides, labor is exercise; it's good for you. However, computers would definitely be used heavily in this system. Labor records would need to be stored, rewards would be documented... computers would have a huge application in this system. So unlike the Amish, I would encourage the use of technology but I would detest replacing the work force with machines.

Yes I am 19 years old, so I am still young. The most common thing I am told about myself is that I have fire in my eyes. Even when presented with a lose-lose challenge, I almost never back down from it. Maybe national proletarianism will defeat capitalism and completely change the world, or perhaps the whole idea will die with me. Whatever happens, I will stand by it to the end, because this is what I believe.

I am only the father of the system. All I did was invent it. Most of the problems that emerge when it is put into practice will have to be corrected through legislation by the Supreme Proletariat.

I have to go to class now. Talk to you all later.

wow, at age 19 and got the world figured out?

this reminds me of a story,
...when at young age, the boy's father is his idol
...when in teen years, the boy said his father's an idiot
...when the boy's in middle age, he won't do anything without asking the old man

when i was a teen, i thought isaac newton's ideas were just crazy, and albert einstein's theories were idiotic.

when i attended the university, i found out who's the fool

Well that was you. My father is dead.

Newton was clearly a genius. So was Einstein.

Newtonian physics is only a small hint at the the real constructs of the world.

Einstein doubted himself to the extent of making things up to make his math work. And he has also been proved incorrect in some things.

The only real fool is the person who doesnt question everything.

Rethink robots again please. You have 2 corps in your national proletariat system. If robots invented can do a 1/3 of the work. Then as the government has ultimate control you can make a third whenever, wherever you want, this increases the stuff you can give to your people, and increases the level of occupation you can give to your employees. Giving the workers better jobs and increasing production levels are incredibly beneficial to your people. If unemployment comes a problm you make more employment and in the process your peoople get to have something they never had before like 2 kinds of cheese instead of one, or cars AND motorcycles. There is an amazing thing about your system. You are not dependant on the free market to create labor, so you have complete control, to master it. Don't waste that on a misconception.

Personally, I am against replacing men and women with machines. However, this probably won't be up to me. Again, it would be the decision of the Supreme Proletariat if this is ever brought up.

"The only real fool is the person who doesnt question everything"

+1 for that

some people tend to want to make themselves the center of importance, without looking around themselves

live and learn....that's the beauty of life.

would like to see how this proletariat system work in a game, before deploy on reality. i wish the gm/owner of sc have the resources to take political philosophies/theories into the game. would be nice?

and if a player has as many countries as there are products in sc, he/she may not need the world market. provided that his/her countries are productive in what they do

+1 xiong

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