No "War Level 0" (Little Upsilon)

Eliminate "War Level 0".

There is already "War Protection: Secured Mode", which applies to one country on 4 worlds (not Fearless Blue).

There is already "War Protection: [Temporary]", whcih can be purchased directly using Gold Coin for --any country on any world for any amount of time--.

There is already "War Level" restrictions. Currently, no country below "War Level 3" can even start a war against another "country with a President".

"Game Level" starts at "Level 1", and so should "War Level".

A "public vote" was started, as well:
Vote: "Yes", to end "War Level 0", or "No" otherwise.

Thank you. As the 'Gamemaster says themself in many error messages, "There is no need." ;)

0,1 and 2 are the three levels below the war level "3".

Now you want to reduce this to 2 levels?

Perhaps change the war level to "4".

Three levels below the radar seems reasonable to new players developing their game skills.

"New players"?

You claim to be a "long-time player, going back several years, starting out on White Giant", and all of your countries are at "War Level 0".

You claim to own 13,000 corporations total--3,000 in your countries, and another 10,000 in your enterprises.

Are you a "new player" also?

For the account of "Maestro2000", for the record.

Every single country at "War Level 0" on every world, including an "Empire" of 10 countries on Fearless Blue, the "War World".

White Giant: 11 countries
Golden Rainbow: 3 countries
Kebir Blue: 6 countries
Little Upsilon: 10 countries
Fearless Blue: 10 countries

40 countries on 5 worlds all at "War Level 0", from a leader who claims to be from 2009.

Here are the 5 "Leader" countries from each world,
reference:

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The president was active in the last week.
President: Maestro2000
Presidency start date: Mar 2663
World: White Giant
Continent: Auriga Bella
Region: Nakomo Valley
Empire: Leader (11 countries)
Nuclear Power: Yes
Federation: Maestro
Common Market: ZZZBEST
Government Type: Presidential Democracy
War Level: 0
War Status: Not at war
War Protection: Secured Mode
Country Score: Country score is 2583
Game Level: Game Level 7

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Prime minister: The Honorable Mr. Maestro2000
Presidency start date: Oct 2509
World: Golden Rainbow
Continent: Paova Major
Region: Santa Rosa
Empire: Leader (3 countries)
Nuclear Power: No
Federation: Maestro
Common Market: None
Government Type: Democracy
War Level: 0
War Status: Not at war
War Protection: Secured Mode
Country Score: Country score is 2472
Game Level: Game Level 8

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The president was active in the last week.
President: Maestro2000
Presidency start date: Jan 2732
World: Kebir Blue
Continent: Centura Donna
Region: Austral Bergo
Empire: Leader (6 countries)
Nuclear Power: No
Federation: Maestro
Common Market: None
Government Type: Democracy
War Level: 0
War Status: Not at war
War Protection: Secured Mode
Country Score: Country score is 2313
Game Level: Game Level 7

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President: Maestro2000
Presidency start date: Mar 2043
World: Little Upsilon
Continent: Virgina Bella
Region: Realmo Labano
Empire: Leader (10 countries)
Nuclear Power: Yes
Federation: Maestro
Common Market: None
Government Type: Democracy
War Level: 0
War Status: Not at war
War Protection: Secured Mode
Country Score: Country score is 2114
Game Level: Game Level 5

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The president was active in the last week.
President: Mr. Maestro2000
Presidency start date: Sep 2772
World: Fearless Blue
Continent: Draca Mixor
Region: Great Salman
Empire: Leader (10 countries)
Nuclear Power: No
Federation: Maestro
Common Market: None
Government Type: Democracy
War Level: 0
War Status: Not at war
War Protection: No war protection
Country Score: Country score is 2356
Game Level: Game Level 7

I am not claiming to be a new player.

Don't stop there. Why not list my 10 ceo's while you are at it? (8 with hall of fame credentials)

And for new and old players interested. I will transfer 12 ceo corporations to any tax friendly country.

Yes, you are. You "claim" to represent the interests of "new players". Play dumb when you want to, just like always.

"War Level 0" has nothing to do with enterprises. And, no, only one "Hall of Fame" is allowed at any given time for one account. So, talking about your "history" since "2009" is totally irrelevant to this topic. If you want to discuss your enterprises or whatever you're talking about, go to another part of the forum.

Hehe, Maestro makes another enemy in SC.

Way to make friends and influence people matzo ball.

At least Maestro2000 is willing to take a stand, somewhat. Where are the rest of the crowd? Laguna had a short discussion in live chat about it also.

Here's the bottom line.

If you want "free War Protection" then you stay as a "free account" and you have 1 country limited in scale to that of the 'Simcountry' countries.

If you want 40 countries on 5 worlds with "3,000 corporations", then you pay and have a real Empire with no war restrictions (War Protection: [Temporary], at a cost would remain).

So, make a choice. And, as others said, "you can't have your cake and eat it, too."

And, it's not like Maestro2000 account is the only one...even Laguna says all of his countries are at "War Level 0", too. Someone else can go count those ;).

It is bothersome that we that dident already had an empire back with the introduction of war-levlels now are forced to get to warlevel 3 to expand beyond 6 countries. Not really an equal playing field which leads to unfair competition. At some point all players should have to play by the same rulebook...

None of the 40 countries I own were acquired thru war with another player.

Maestro, that not the entire point. Just being able to acquire more states than 5 extra thru c3 conquest is HUGE advantage than just couple of players has been receiving. Unequal playing rules does not help the game at all. Easy solotion would be to cease enforcing graduation to war level 3 after a few wins at war level 2, but that would however inflame war-players even more since it reducing potential victims/sparring partners.

Level the gaming field!

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And, it's not like Maestro2000 account is the only one...even Laguna says all of his countries are at "War Level 0", too. Someone else can go count those ;).<!-/Quote-!>

Then again, I am the moderator.

There probably isn't a discussion because your point and argument are vague. War protection and secured mode have nothing to do with War level 0.

You want to end War level 0, yes? Why? And then what?

It is unfair you say? Life is unfair. Things change. It is natural that some who start at one time don't have the luxury of some oppurtunities (and costs) as those who started at another time.

No, first of all, you can answer "why is War Level 0 necesssary?". What was so problematic, that "free War Protection" needed to be added?

Next, of course "War Protection" and "War Level 0" are related...ha-ha...come on Laguna. They are virtually the same concept. If you stay at "War Level 0" or use indefinite "War Protection", you are essentially using the same strategy, which is totally avoiding or nearly so, any need for military. How are those two strategies not alike? Seriously.

As far as "fair", that was brought up by EC, who 'missed the boat' on 'free War Protection'. Nothing was ever said from here about "everything being fair for everyone always". But, the logical and common sense point made by many others that "something should be at risk" is definitely agreed with..because otherwise, it's just a child's world with the fairy 'Gamemaster' magically 'protecting' everyone and everything always. OK, so if that's the 'strategy' you or others want, then pay for it, or change to a "free" account and have 1 country with resources, corporation and population limitations, just like the rest of the "peaceful countries" is history. Maybe "as Moderator" you could even convince them to get you an island somewhere ;).

As far as "opportunities", what are you suggesting? Obviously, Gold Coins don't just magically drop into your account...so, if you have extra, then obviously you're privy to "outside opportunities". It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Nothing was ever discussed regarding that issue, and that's some fantasy argument you created.

"War Level 0" has no purpose or use and allows a meaningless "child's world". Countries have no risk of almost anything military-related, and that is a joke, and you know it, and so does everyone else. There was never any clear reason given as to why it was 'essential' or 'critical' to add, and you yourself have said, in Jozi chat even, to 'keep things simple and fix what is broken first' (paraphrasing) as have many others. What was 'so broken' that "War Level 0" was 'critically needed'?

There's no need to respond, since your position is already stead-fast, that's obvious, and talking to you in live chat made that immeasurably clear. So, the main point is, if you want to live in some 'magical perfect risk-free country forever', then OK...you can change to "free" account and be the leader of the equivalent of a 'Simcountry' country. If you want to have Empires and enterprises with 1,000s of corporations and 100s of millions of population, not to mention owning and operating --military-- space docks on Space Stations (which you have --2-- on the strategic Space Station Carina now), then you need to be a paying member and have 'real' countries that are not given "free War Protection". It's called hypocrisy, Laguna...you sit at "War Level 0" and say you want all peace and never to lose your possesions, then you, on the other hand, are one of the largest, if not the largest, strategic weapons dealers in space.

If you want to pariticpate in the military aspects of the Simcountry, then you participate fully. If you don't, and want to be "free from all military" then you become a "free" leader. That has nothing to do with 'moderating forums' or 'seniority', and no one said it had to be 100% fair for all aspects, as obviously some leaders have built up over time...that's completely obvious and common sense. The point is, that yes, the --current rules-- should apply equally to everyone. Maybe you don't ascribe to that philosophy, and likely you have "outside opportunities" that others don't...so? That's irrelevant. Check the 'Terms and Conditions', and it's obvious that all leaders should operate on the same standards or 'current rules', which is why "multis" and "account shares" are supposedly prohibited.

Then again, another reason why there isn't much a debate it's because you are posting nonsense and because you lack the ability to make your point short.

Its probably not my place to answer for Laguna, but as a moderator it would not be right for him to be getting involved in war, hence him remaining at level 0. Trust me CP, he has before and it has worked out badly for everyone involved.

If i had a golden privilege (like some), i would also defend it with every argument in the book.... we all want keep what we can get.

The game can never be "fair" to everyone, but all players should at least be following the same rulebook. No point in a game where some got exceptions from the rulebook is there, try playing chess with sometimes one of the players get protected pieces and see how that works out for ya.

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\me facepalms

@NiAi...Sounds like you are talking about the New York City teachers union.