Investment funds cash level decreasing with new contributions/share profits

Looks like a bug was introduced that started on February 3393 on LU that is causing new contributions from the population and profits from investments to decrease the cash level of investment funds rather than increase it. All my countries appear to be affected and I checked other player countries that appear to be affected too. My countries on other worlds are not affected.

Countries:

Canndinnalm

https://sim05.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=cntrhist&miKey=2023&miColumn=vCInvestmentsTotalFund

CC2

https://sim05.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=cntrhist&miKey=2022&miColumn=vCInvestmentsTotalFund

CC9

https://sim05.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=cntrhist&miKey=154&miColumn=vCInvestmentsTotalFund

Dream Land

https://sim05.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=cntrhist&miKey=1406&miColumn=vCInvestmentsTotalFund

This is still an issue. My funds have trillions in damages now.

i sure hope they fix this, i've put allot of effort into that secret stash, IFs are one of my favorite parts of the game

I'm getting whacked aswell, very odd.
I'm sure the GM will fully reinstate our monies plus lost interest ASAP.

I noticed this is affecting my country Victory at Yorktown on FB now. This is a major issue. Like others on this thread, I have worked to get my IFs where they are. I have purposely forgone cash and profits for my countries and enterprises to get these funds going. It is now affecting my game play, as I am delaying managing my funds until this is resolved. Can we get a comment on this?

bumping

yeah, losing about 1T every 4-5 days from each Investment Fund...

correction 100B every 4-5 days, still, not very impressed.

I noticed some other people's accounts are still increasing from large employee comtributions and v.low interest payments, so I am guessing it is the interest payments that is being deducted.

i'm trying to remain optimistic, but its getting difficult, watching these investments just disappear, thats allot of cash that i coulda used for something else,

given that its based on real world interest, it'd take over 20 years of playing simcountry to make a profit, this stash of cash was a large part of my long term sim-plans, i hope this gets fixed

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we mae be able too help!

GM must be on Holiday...

When was the last time he posted on the forum?

lol, movement! its alive, in a sly goading sort off way.

I really would prefer a fix to the problem mentioned in this thread rather than a rearrangement of the private investment webpage layout...

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The investment funds, to date, did not have any significant role in Simcountry.
The only contribution was a small increase in the income of workers that came from the profits of these funds.

They also used the money to buy shares, but the countries did not have any control on these funds, their income or their spending.

We have looked into this in the past, and said that in time, the funds will be corrected, some errors will be fixed and we hope to give them a more significant role in the future.

The role of the funds is now absolutely insignificant.
Some corrections that have been made, may kick in and start moving these funds into a more realistic value that is not inflated by historic numbers when 1T was 0.25 gold coins.

When all of this is done, we may introduce new game features that will make the funds important and more fun.

Andy. You asked me to keep it short in another thread. Do I need to explain or will you believe me when I say that this issue is game-breaking.

Wow, I actually impressed with Andy's straightforwardness, since he's back. I need to go on that vacation.

Aries, Andy is correct, the investment funds are insignificant. Being based a crappy stock market hasn't helped either. I hope this talk of doing something with that feature isn't vaporware.

Keep up the good work, Andy.

Game breaking?

Please explain. I would like to understand this.

also check the game news from yesterday.
I am sure you will discover that when opinions are constructive and well explained, things happen.

more underway.

I am at work and a longer explanation will come when I get home and have more than my phone. Consider, that it appears the dividend income of all funds is not only lost but is negative. This effects the global economy in general but specifically players who have managed their funds. My funds likely own some 25-30% of the total value of corps in my empire. That proportion of profits is not lost from some olden value of gold coins. That value is lost, and turned negative, today.

Note. My entire account is less than two years old. My funds are all the result of work and planning.

Looking forward to the explanation.

In the mean time:
The dividends from shares you have in any corporation are paid to you, independent of the fund, or its value.

The dividends the fund receives from its share holdings, are added to the fund, not to your country income.

there is no connection between fund income and country income.

I am floored that this is not recognized as a problem. These are my funds. I understand where their cash goes and how they work. With this known, I have spent a lot of time on them. For me, this would be no different than if the next war update took all my weapons or the next country update took all my cash.

Longer Explanation.


1. Aren't these funds "ours"

Up until this sudden change, we assumed these were our funds for our countries. How could we possibly assume otherwise? They are ours to manage. There is a setting that states "Buy and Sell shares for your investment fund automatically.". My fund. right?

2. I thought this was a part of the game I could play and advance in. Well, isn't it?

How serious did I take this? I have a document on my computer that tracks my funds. I can tell you the value of the funds separated into cash and shares for all 9 of my LU countries and a total amount for the last three times I counted them. I have spent dozens of hours managing them.

I don't think I am unique in this Andy but these funds were seriously in the "one more thing I can do category". What I mean is they were what kept the game interesting for me. I hit war level 11 and game level 15. I crushed every PVP opponent I have faced. This is what I do now along with teaching other players the game which I do generously. Can I not do this? You said "The role of the funds is now absolutely insignificant." Don't we have a say in this?

3. I think you underestimate our attachment

If you value my funds so lightly, I want to buy them with account cash (even though I thought they were mine already). You said 1 Trillion for .25 coins. So my funds were worth about $440 Trillion at last count (stocks and cash) so 440 * .25 = 110 coins. Don't see game money for sale but enterprise says current exchange is $36B/coin so 110 * .036 = $3.96 Trillion. I will pay double that. Triple? How about $100 Trillion? All I ask is that my funds work the way they were working already.


The implementation of this sudden change is an attack on trust. The appeal of this game is that you have an opportunity to build things and have your time rewarded. I am willing to risk my things in war but taking away my funds by implying they were not mine to begin with and assuming they magically made themselves valuable without my effort is wrong.

my main argument, is these funds largely were not powered by sim-pop contributions, but corp profits, profits that could have been redirected some where else.

in the month prior to this, i adjusted country settings in 4 countries, to up the dividend pay-in in my main country to the 55-60B/GM range, i'd increased my IF by about 12-15T, then bam! its all gone, 12-15T that i coulda used for upgrades, or products i sell in space. now its just gone

IF, for your average player, are insignificant, this is true, how ever, when one learns how, with skill and patience, an IF, as it stands now, can do some interesting things in a country.

although, before i come to a conclusion on this matter, i'd like to hear what changes the GM are planning, it might be worth the loss of 100T, if that means the feature is made cooler.

so Andy, i'll tell you, WC3, has handled this true to form, you've blind sided long term players, dimishing long term asset stashes, with the promise of newer, cooler features. how about giving us more details, including what will change, and what you need to see changed before you can do that? how long will this take?

as it is, you've just told us that we don't deserve a stash of cash we've spent years building, while hinting at features, which you have a high tendency to string out for years, if you ever get around to it at all!

Andy,

These investment funds are hard earned monies that i have spent considerable time building. They are a store of wealth that can be extracted using a corporation and stock sales so to say that they are insignificant simply is not true.

why will you not acknowledge that the game mechanic regarding the investment funds is broken?

why is the money in my investment fund disappearing?

to reference what Aries said, my account, is 4-6 months younger than his, the size of my IFs, isn't a matter of what the GC conversion used to be, but what i choose to put into them! game cash, that frankly, is just being taken from me, because you believe i don't deserve it.

The part of the investment fund that is being restructured is the cash part, largely originating from contributions by the population, less the amounts paid to workers and the major contributions, coming from interest.

Interest should be set to zero or lower as it does not come from any investment made by the fund but it is paid by the gamemaster.

There is no reason for the GM to do this.
Also, most of the cash originates from the time money was worthless.

You can escape all these changes of course, by purchasing shares and investing all the cash.

this is not happening in most countries.
Most of the assets are cash.
having huge funds cash in all countries makes them worthless and insignificant.
Everybody is rich but cannot use the money for anything at all that can make any difference in the country.

There is no way to mix these funds with the country cash, it was never the case.

The profit of the fund should come from investments, cash should be reduced and interest rates even negative, to make sure presidents are investing the cash.

Nobody lost any 40T here. and no fund should have 40T in the first place.

The fund will either remain insignificant, and side tracked as it was until now or it can be restructured and get a real part to play.

Currently, there are other, more urgent issues and we do not plan any significant change in the role of the funds.

We will zero the interest paid by the gamemaster.
we will discuss the possibility of a negative interest rate or leave it at zero.
we will also look into the contributions to the funds and the use of the funds as an extra income to the workers which was always a small amount.

All these amounts, adding and subtracting is quite confusing to most players, have zero influence on the economies of the countries and are in fact unnecessary complexities in the game.

The only good thing to do with this money is to purchase shares. This will of course remain as it always has been. more incentives to do so can help.