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That's not an explanation. It makes no sense even on the face of it. For what reason would the gms bother to pick "target" players to give punishment? What is this, The Lottery?

......read up a bit Jojo. They think Wild's participation in a war in April which was started by Laguna and her "frequent noob stomps" must come to an end. So she cant dec on anyone and has since quit.

No, they don't. And I did not start that war. Name me all of the wars I've actually started. Not just the ones where I just pushed the triggered (even so, that wouldn't be the case in April). There's much to war before it's declaration.

Edit: Now that you have edited your post, that they do. But that alone is nothing. Ideas within structures. Behavior and actions within context.

Hmm, if I read that again in a week I bet I will understand it.

So Ares, you can dec just fine? That's okay, if you can't I'll probably figure it out soon enough. But seriously, if the new policy is no more stomping noobs, and I don't think that's such a new policy either, why not just stop stomping noobs, and keep playing? "Adapt," as we used to say.

Or is it that with Wild gone you all feel a little exposed? And with you gone, Bobo will feel like he's flapping in the breeze? You should tell the rank and file NV, they're still fighting, brave souls.

The GMs should come clean and say what restrictions they have placed on players and why.
It only takes a couple of minutes to write on the forum what they are doing and why.
Doing whatever they like on the sly just spreads discontent amoungst the players.

WildEyes, you are in my opinion without a doubt the greatest player this game has seen since Esperandus himself. Very few people in the game today have contributed more than yourself, and even fewer have acheived half of what you have. Since i started in 2001 i have never seen game become as dark as this, at the end of the 12 monkeys war in 2003/2004 we lost a lot of good players because of the GM's interference, however this time i do not see the game being able to recover.

Player activity and satisfaction is barely even a fraction of what it was then, with less than a quarter of the people we had activce then.

You will be missed by many Wild, i have always found you extremely helpful and friendly and it has been a pleasure knowing you.

Jojo, as Wild posted earlier in this thread, the GMs have contacted her and told her she will be given restrictions. Her account is no longer capable of declaring war on other countries. I still can, but as you have seen, I have had no interest in doing so for the last week or so.

The issue is not adapting Jojo, its if you can declare war on Wild, and she can't return the favor, then whats the point?

Jojo name the last noob I've "stomped." I don't do that. I just get ambushed by the likes of you and your friends and end up fighting virtually alone(did I have counter decs this whole war?).

@ Vali -

I entirely agree with your last post.

"slocketer you seem like you love the war game. You should come to Fearless Blue, you would have a blast."
As I said before, I played this game because of LDI. Seeing as LDI no longer exists, I will cease playing this game. I was never very good with war, nor am I yet to be a pro, wild, jason, etc... has been helping me with that. I do enjoy it, but not now that they are gone i do not., Most of the fun was the coordination with others.

Jojo, I think most of what you have written actually supports what we have been saying all along, even if you didn't mean it, which further proves that we are right and LG is wrong.

"Do you mind if I mention how you halted your attack on me, in April, when I couldn't get online for a few days? And Wild, maybe it was just a case of you being distracted and not fighting full throttle, but our newer Musketteers really enjoyed fighting you in this latest war, even though they lost some countries. "
That just proves that Wild indeed does not provide an atmosphere which encourages people to leave, in fact she made the game more enjoyable...

"Ugh, okay, enlighten me, oh wise ones. Why is it that the gm will not let you declare wars and whatever else you can't do, while I can declare and play just fine?"
That is the point...we don't know. The GM's are just being assholes. It is not a question of adapting, you can't adapt to not being able to declare war. It just means that you can never fight, unless declared on, which probably guarantees that you will lose.

I'll bring you next week a little sooner, Jojo.

"Behavior and actions within context."

Example: Jane stole a piece of bread.
Good or bad?

Jane stole a piece of bread from a bread-thief, so she could feed her starving family and work.
What do you think? Good or bad?

You can say the act of stealing is irremediably "bad", no what matter who you steal from, but the consequences of such action may be good or bad... Generally bad, but the possibility that it may be good exists. It's just a question of will, I suppose.


And yes, Crabs, there are different levels of insults, as there are different levels of offenses. These are judged according to result, intention, recidivism and circumstances. Therefore, naming your country crabs doesn't matter to anyone, as it isn't a targeted insult. Conquering someone's countries, uploading a middle finger as flag, harass the other player to see and buy his countries back... well then, what do you think?

Crabs, extortion isn't raiding. Extortion... Imagine, a player threats to conquer all of your countries, but he would halt his attack in exchange of 1500GCs (for a C3) or $75. Or that he sells your countries back for ten times more they are worth. Or that he promises to stop harassing you for a nice sum of real cash or GCs. This is extortion.
I don't think anyone has done any of three recently, at least conspicuously.

you no when your dad said "quitting is for quitters, never a good thing to do" i think this is an exception to what your dad said

sorry dad, i quit

So, what are the GM's going to do about this?
Constantly, players quitting, this isn't a good sighting what so ever..

players quitting . . . returning under new aliases and threatening to re-quit again is NOT quitting . . .

That is PROPAGANDA

I see alot of "quitters" not quitting and STILL posting, even after dumping a heavy asset or two or . . . three.

JeffBOY what happened to checking back in a week?

I guess it doesn't matter a week a month or a year- They will still post here and have countries and accounts.

Maybe the thread will be "August" or "January 2010" or "I wanted to quit, but would rather you do it for me"

did i mention anything about "returning under new aliases and threatening to re-quit again" no i didnt, i strictly mean that you are done with the game for the single reason that it has bull crapped you to the point that you throw your hands in the air and say "i quit" which i dont ever see you quitting in the future wendy, i can see you as being "returning under new aliases and threatening to re-quit again" because you will always be the person on the forums wanting attention

i will tell you this however, i will not be the person who will still have countries and accounts, im finished

i have a few last points that i would like to leave with you for i dont post on the forums often

Wendy-Nobody likes you

GM's-you made a terrible game, it wasnt bad to start, but you made it terrible at the end of it all

And everyone else who plays SC- I have no idea why you still play the game

I never aim to please, so thank you for the compliment JeffBoy.

Acting like a 10 yr ld brat and crying "WOLF" when whatever happens has nothing to do with YOU JEFFBOY, repeating it on the forums like some pansy victim . Yelling I quit like that will move a mountain just for you.

I am sure buttering up past requests on the whims of players threatening to quit, has perpetuated this kind of behavior and course of action.

Example: "Wha Wha Wha I can't get MY way, I can't GET OVER. I quit I quit.

Well the day after you quit . . . you are still here. Tomorrow, I am sure you will be as well. Make sense when you repeat things for others to hear.

As for me. I am Wendy. Name change?? I think not. I have played coming up on a year and a half. I could have started over a long time ago. I won't. WHY?? Because I will fight your arse regardless of what you have goin on. There is no reason to hide.

I enjoy being unliked by many here. I see through as many people that don't like me. While I have good relationships with a few players, I could give a shit who like me or not. I hope that would be apparent by the way I play this game. I don't have low self esteem issues. I don't need your pat on the back or your encouragement/approvals or a need to feel accepted by anyone on this site, internet, or real world. Do you feel me sucka.

I love getting "Attention" on the forum. If that is what you want to call it. I call it spicing up the forums. Don't like that eh? Well you have been free to handle it in game whenever you felt like it.

What I do on the forums from day one, while controversial,has sparked a soap opera/novela for many players to follow who would feel this forums is pretty boring at times. So I enjoy, playing MY part to keep some interest alive when it dies down here. That is called interaction, and it doesn't matter if you LIKE it or NOT.

I appeal for attention for simple reasons like this.. .. .. Some Buster named Jeffboy, got his pantiez all in a bunch because I called others on the childishness of their threats to quit, but he must have assumed I was talking about him on how hes a whiny little panzie for whining about quitting. Now Boo Hoo, he says nobody likes me. SO now that I have everyones attention on the forum, please send me weapons and ammo offers to my main because I think Jeffboy is asking for my help with getting his things out the door.

Jeff, ask me when the hell anybody likeng me mattered? Get real. Its a freakin GAME DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

You LDI & friends have never made your case at all clear in these forums. This is the court of public opinion, and you seem determined to lose. You go off on tangents and give the appearance of being narcissistic babies, especially unbecoming given the normal LDI rhetoric. Have you no adults in your group? Again, Barney wouldn't have let things play out this way.

I don't want any of you all to leave the game. I think LDI adds a lot to the game, and, personally, I want good opponents, as does the rest of 3M.

Facts: all you've described on the forums is that one person, Wild, received a warning, then almost immediately was not able to declare on other countries (except on FB, where she was and did, after her warning) and possibly she and others lost some accumulated WP. All the Laguna stuff is irrelevant. Any other complaints at all about unfair treatment regarding this particular issue?

OBVIOUSLY it kills warring if you can't declare war! But a game POLICY of preventing declarations from someone who breaks a particular rule is not in and of itself a bad policy. It's the particular IMPLEMENTATION of it that seems so unfair, and I think that's the one principle you guys should be arguing against, forcefully, both for you all personally and for the good of the game that I think you agree is almost-so-great-that-it-kills-you-when-it-stinks.

I have to assume that Wild really did cross some line, multiple times, in "stomping on noobs." Not so difficult to believe. Probably others have also, and haven't been punished. I think it's just such a shame for her to be skewered on this issue, because I've personally seen her show great consideration to noobs.

But, really, why are others leaving the game because of Wild's situation? Why does wildeyes not being able to declare wars make jeffyboy leave simcountry??

One of you, someone eloquent and logical, should think things through and state your case, in a persuasive manner, without just repeating the obvious and without insulting other players or the gms. (People can make mistakes without necessarily being assholes.) If not for your personal benefits, then for the good of the game, and if not for that then just for your own pride and self respect.

Just a note Jojo, Sam and Jason have also been prevented from declaring war on anything.

It's a disgrace that Jason, Sam and Wild effectively had war disabled, yet Wendy is still allowed to troll the forum stirring up crap and being a general irritant with no change to her ability to wage war, not even a ban from posting in the provocative manner we have all seen and put up with. But then again, Wendy isn't a threat to Laguna, so maybe that's why...

I left the game for good just before the recent developments and if I hadn't, I would have left now as it stinks that the GM can and does interfere in this way on the whim of a player, albeit established and experienced, but with far too much influence utilised for their own benefit and as has been seen, at the expense of other players who were well respected by many in the SC community.

Oh, by the way, I had no intention of cashing out. I deregged 19 profitable countries and 2 profitable enterprises and passed on 1 country and 1 enterprise to a friend. I also passed on to the same person a substantial amount of coins (over 1000) that I had amassed since my one and only payment back in early January.

My only request to the recipient of said assets and coins was to feel free to use as many as you wish to attack Wendy

PS. This is a temporary account I'm using that I needed to conclude some unfinished business which has now been done. And this is my final forum post.

Kiteless

SO LAME . . . my poor SteeleKnife

Still venting over your past defeats are we?

I am really not a threat to anyone. I am just a lady.

Yay do you want a pat on the back for trashing your own assets and sending some fake assasin after me. A game.

You thought that you could talk your trash in IRC and not get your little eco country smashed, all while I get smacked up on by LDI for essentially the same thing?

Seriously, to cry about me like you have for no reason, I must have struck a nerve. You are so "proud" of your self you cant even go by your real nick.

SEE JEFFBOY, this is what a sim - coward looks like. Changing his nick. Then admiting to giving someone coins to crush poor old Wendy. See me <==== STILL WENDY. Just wondering Steele, how's that workin for ya?

I am having fun Steele, and have long since moved on from the time I smashed your country in Record time. And to think, you were the first n00b crusher to get a taste of your own medicine. You should have learned when I took Treasurers' country that was yours, but was his, and whatever. Whomever the darn thing belonged to, it doesn't matter, you both smell the same to me. After all this time you still holding a grudge d00d?

I am honored you had to hire someoneto "take me out". Boy I must have come a long way. That is scary considering, I have a looonger way to go.


OH CRAP: PS steele how's that comeback coming? Been waiting on you, to destroy my friends in the UC. Last I checked, GR was pretty peaceful. You been hiding under this alias for months. Empty threats. . . Joke

Have a good day, come spend your coins and do it yourself.

It seems that the Game Masters intervened only for Lagunas sake by disabling war on some of the LDI Members for constant declarations. However, Wendy seems to be doing the same yet, Game Masters decides not to do anything. (Not that i have anything against Wendy, just showing an example)

Game Masters are very abusive with their powers,
Sam bought like a 100 Month War Protection and for some reason it was cut in less than a half and even disabling him from declaring war.

Sorry, but this is just pathetic and a sissy play by Laguna and his GM Padres.

Please, Steele wouldn't crush a grape in a food fight. Come play if you want Steele/Kiteless you ain't nothing but a bitch.

UC 4 LIFE.

Steeleknife = Kiteless ?
Ermm...methinks some of you are getting a touch...confused?...here.

Tisk, tisk.

News flash, its not any group of players killing this game...wink, wink.

The pinktator would be pround, his minions of doom have reached their final epoch...the breaking of the game which leads to banishment.

Wild is the poster child of LDI, she is all the we have hoped for. Pure evil, pure talent, pure fun. If wild is banned for her actions, then all that LDI has stood for, or was created for, is now banned IMO.

\Blots a tear...

The name of LDI should be forever stricken from this game. The game, simply, is unworthy.

Laguna, if you had a hand in this then you should be ashamed. If you had a hand in this Im ashamed of you.

Barney Rubble

CC, I won't even dig trough a butload of IRC logs to show you and others that he is kiteless and dalek, veritas, and Lord knows who else.

Everytime I am challenged to get logs I do, and they arent tampered. I just don't think it is worth my time or effort. I'll take my own word for it.

How convenient that you won't paste anything from the IRC logs.

When you have pasted something typed by me from the logs including the same IP details as any of those other names, together with the date so it can be verified, then you'll have a valid point, but you can't because it has never happened.

I am not anyone else other than Kiteless, as CC has alluded to. He should know as we have chatted many times before in game chat.

There is a very good reason why I chose to post something critical about you after I had quit playing. You have repeatedly launched aggressive attacks before on players just because of something they have posted in the forum. I knew what you were all about more or less as soon as I had joined. I didn't wish to have an unstable, confrontational warmonger with a big mouth after me, so I avoided any contact with you.

Having said that, I have conversed many times with Jason, Sam and Wild, but because these players are stable, they didn't attack without good reason. I had a good relationship with them and I respected their achievements and standing in the game.

You, however, are just pathetic. The joke doing the rounds on SC when I played was that your mood at any given time depended on whether you were on medication or not.

So, the onus is on you to deliver proof that I have played under various guises.

I believe Dalek was, any maybe still is, Chair of Government Fed. I never joined that fed although I did discuss it with Jason and Sam.

My LU main was called Veritas. This does not mean I played under that name.

As for Steeleknife, I've seen the name before, but it means nothing to me.

The ball is firmly in your court, so put up or shut up

I thought I had done my final post. I should have guessed really that I'd have to post another reply. It's typical of you to shoot your mouth off when it isn't justified. That's what you do. I'm not the slightest bit surprised by your first response. It made me laugh, so thanks for the lulz.

Kiteless

Steele STFU!!! multi coward twat waddler.

The ball has been in your court. You avoided getting into a conflict with me because you sukk. I may be pathetic, and if that is so, there isn't a word accurate enuff to describe your sorry arse. If you have a problem, and it seems you do, you can feel free to attack me like LDI did in its younger days. But I know you won't, cause you are still the lame dude I smakked up earlier. Im hot cause I'm fly. You ain't cause you not.

Go back to hiding. You posted again after you said you wouldn't. You have already contradicted yourself after saying you wouldn't post anymore. But again you lied. As is your forte. You are seethrough as they come. Again, with that said, we know who you are. You exposed yourself. So hush, find your little corner and continue hiding coward. Meanwhile, make my name taste like doo doo in your mouth mmmk. I hope that didn't go over your head.