Something Must Change (Little Upsilon)

In response to Wendy's (aka Psycho_Honey aka Inanna) constant disrespectful and time wasting c3 wars we have initiated a boycott of her LU empire. There needs to be repercussions for players going around and using c3's to constantly declare war on players while keeping their assets in war protection so that they can not be touched. There needs to be a balance such that if someone's assets are being threatened by constant war declarations, the person declaring needs to have assets of their own at risk, otherwise there is no reason for players not to just constantly drown others in war declarations. For those of you who are going to argue that what she is doing is within the rules, you are right, however this is not what the rules were intended to create. For those of you who will say that she must do this to fight off a far larger enemy, that is completely false. All of Wendy's 'main' countries are in war protection and no one has declared war on her because that would be impossible, she also has no federation she is defending and she has no friends that are being threatened with war or involved in a war with a far larger enemy. These are war declarations of her own choice for her own purposes and she has already wasted far too much time for far too many players. For those of you who have not had the pleasure of experiencing this annoyance, imagine having a c3 to take every 3 or 4 hours, 24 hours a day, for 2 or 3 or 4 or even more weeks. Plus, these are not c3's, they are in debt, they have 100 forts and you must spend 5-10T in ammo and weapons to take them, while she has put none of her countries at risk and you have absolutely nothing to gain and so much time to waste. If this were something that happened once in response to a particular incident, it would be understandable, however this has been going on constantly on one world or another against one person/federation or another for the better part of 1 year now, this is not an exception, it is the rule.

We ask that you please request a boycott on the following countries:

The Art Museum
NUTES SECRETARY
DonT Stop Now
Inannas Temple

No one will be able to see that you have signed this boycott so you need not fear repercussions from her and for anyone who does not know how to do so, it is fairly easy. Go into your LU Main country, go to the 'World Trade' link on the left hand side, then on the top left under 'World Market Trading' select the last option 'boycott other countries' then enter the name of each of these countries and submit.

Something must change and there are two options, Wendy stops with this inappropriate behavior and stops wasting so many people's time for her own amusement, false bravado or the GM's fix the rules as has been suggested by so many over the past 6 months or more to be that someone can not use war protection AND declare war on other players with the same empire, it makes no sense and it is clearly not what was intended when the war protection system was implemented. If something does not change then we will be forced to figure out a different way to go about this and since we can not direct our disapproval at Wendy due to all of her countries being in war protection, we will have to direct it elsewhere because we have no other way to end this mindless and wasteful behavior on her part.

Thank you all for your support, if you have questions, concerns or comments please direct them to 'WB 001 LU HM Econ' or 'Team Teamwork', both on LU.

***Yaaaaaaaawns***

Do I even have to say, CHEEZE!?

WHITE BOY,WHERE DO YOU PLAN TO DIRECT IT.IS THIS A THREAT TO THOSE OF US WHO WILL NOT BOYCOTT WENDY.YOU COULD STOP THE ATTACKS BY SPENDING SOME COINS ON WAR PROTECTION AS MYSELF AND OTHERS HAVE HAD TO DO TO KEEP YOU FROM TAKING OUR COUNTRIES.
BIGG E

10 Days til I make HOF, and MightyMouse calls for a boycott on a world where I am not fighting lmao. Just say that you want to mess my levels up so I don't get first. It is a day late and a vote short. Amuse me with your gurly antics.

*Fartz*

Say CHEEZE!

The rules have to be changed.

Wendy has discovered and occupied and exploited an ecological niche in the game. That's kind of cool, and in a way she should be commended for her cleverness and perseverance. How many others of us have changed the way the game is played?

But by exploiting this niche others have to respond, and the only effective ways suck. The basic way is to keep all your valuables in WP. That's expensive, and it kills the war game.

As far as I know, the only other ways involve making it more costly for the c3 warrior to operate (usually making it more costly to you, too) and making your own countries less attractive and less valuable (which certainly sucks).

Anyone who has a lot of coins and some time can harass and weaken their opponents, and sometimes take a valuable country as a prize. Whether it is a profitable strategy or not, I think it hurts the overall game and the rules should be changed.

I suggest a new rule, for all worlds, which is a modification of "Zeba's 2nd rule":


You can't declare on a president unless half the NOMINAL VALUE of your empire is out of WP (and remains out for a full game month.)


If it's half the COUNTRIES, the c3 warrior can just get more c3s. Other rule changes like making offensive weapons more expensive won't stop someone who doesn't care about the costs.

I think on FB there should be no WP at all except for vacation time and noob protection.

For those who agree, I suggest we complain to the GMs about c3 wars. You can join in this complaint if you've ever had to fight one of these wars, or if you feel the need to buy WP to prevent one of these wars, or if you don't like the fact that so many other players are in WP because of the potential threat of c3 wars. They've changed rules based on a handful of complaints from noobs in the past.

Nothing personal against Wendy, I think she should get a continent named after her, but the rules should change. They should give a few weeks notice so everyone can plan accordingly.

LOL, I have a strategy for any rule change as well. I'll make sure my whole empire is c3s and dec like that. Result, nothing changes.

Except, I myself won't need to keep my eco slaves in war protection, I profit off my single main just fine and would be more than happy to dereg any of them in order to continue my style of play.

If you don't bother Wendy, she doesn't bother you. If you don't stomp the weaker players while calling yourself a warlord, Wendy doesn't bother you. I like the boycotts though, kep them coming. I haven't even been fighting on LU, but MightyMouse decides, to bother me. The only thing he has done, is ensure himself a nice c3 battle. I'm gonna make each and every one of your countries look just like EO's Old Guard on GR. Prominent war slave looking like a buttered up c3. Markets green from all those weapons he's selling. And really WB you must really really suck if you use 5 to 10 trillion taking an undefended 100 fort c3. Tanks and arty solve that problem. I thought you had every clue how things work here? If you don't get one. Boycotts won't work. Neither will any war changes. Things have changed before, and like before I'll adjust if necessary. I'm flexible like that. You need to be validated, I told you you'll get your shot.

Oh, and Yeah, 'Inanna Major' has a nice ring to it JoJo. LOL!

Well said Jojo. I completely agree with the half nominal value, I've thought about using population in that way as well but nominal value makes sense. Also it should be half of nominal value is out of war protection/secured which would take care of Wendy's plan to get around the idea.

Biggie - I understand that you are not able to play on a consistent basis and due to that you feel the need to keep your assets in war protection spending the necessary GC's to do so and that is absolutely your choice. However many of us have built countries which are perfectly fit for war and have spent a lot of GC's doing so, simply keeping them in constant war protection to avoid constant harassment because a single player exploits the rules of the game to waste so many people's time just does not make sense. I, like so many others, like my countries, I like to fight with my countries instead of just building them to look at and admire their war rank and see no reason to spend a bunch of GC to avoid a war with Wendy, a war which is of no consequence other than when their is a single hole or perhaps you have a sudden weapons deact due to 'Not enough MLM's under the age of 50' even though you have hundreds of thousands of LLW's and MLM's available. I have no issue fighting wars as many of you know, however when it becomes month-long affairs with c3's it is quite ridiculous, pointless and a time drain. This must change, I'm not detailing what our future plans will be if it does not, but we do have a plan. Just imagine what it would be like with a whole bunch of players with a whole bunch more skill and a whole bunch more assets executing the same strategy as Wendy...maybe your right Biggie, maybe we should ALL just be in WP because one player wants to manipulate the rules...while we're at it, why not just eliminate the war engine too?

Windy - Of course you'd respond this way, expected nothing different. Don't give me that BS about 'if you don't bother Wendy, she doesn't bother you' or 'stomping weaker players'. First, how did Christopher Michael bother you? How about Tendo? Beo? How many others do I have to name? Stop pretending that your wars are about anything other than your own asset raiding and attention seeking. You don't fight the people you have a problem with, you fight those associated who you see have a place where you can send a nuke or who are inactive and you can take their countries. Also, I haven't done either of those things, I was of no bother to you until you decided to start a war with SERPENT (not me), over me beating up Biggie, who by all his own claims was so much better than me and would beat me to the ground. It was a one on one fight...so it isn't as if he was outnumbered.

As far as your claim about how much it costs to take a 100 fort c3 from an active player, tanks and arty are not an option when you have someone like you taking c3's in every corner of the world, which you do purposefully, because nukes have no range limitations and you know the c3's will last longer as navy has to be sent, c3's have to be taken to paint, etc. You are fully aware of this and it is part of your strategy, don't pretend otherwise. Tanks and arty are quite cheap, navy...not so much.

Threaten me with your wars all you want, we both know that they are meaningless to me and because of that you won't attack me, you'll attack one of my fedmates or allies who you view as weaker or where you find a little hole to crawl into and then send nukes constantly as you seem to have no other life. Most of us do and cannot afford to play this game 24/7 taking c3's monotonously just to mute your attacks. In 6 or 7 months now you've landed what? 1 nuke on me...oh boy...HUGE deal...I'm so afraid, after only what? 50 decs? Great job...quite impressed. I'm not worried about myself, you are destroying this game in the ways Jojo noted above and also by making so many people with so much experience fearful of taking new players into their feds because they know that is the first place you'll hit. You don't fight me, Beast, Steven, Abe who are the people you claim to have a problem with, you fight EC, Serpent, Tendo, Beo and so many others who have nothing to do with you, haven't bothered you and haven't stomped anyone, much less weaker players.

Yeah my wars are so meaningless you are begging for people to boycott me because you can't force w3c to to change a rule for her majesty WhiteGurl. My wars are more meaningful than your meaningless boycott.

By the way, you look good in high heels, I'm glad you've finally faced yourself. Itch, moan and whine some MOAR why don't you.

C3 Warring isn't a new thing and Wendy isn't the first user of that system. I'm failing to see why that tactic is being pegged to a single person. Just happens to be the one currently using it effectively. If the system needs changing thats great, boycotts against a player isn't going to do that.

Yes the system needs changing Xaldin - there are many current active threads discussing that very topic. However, that doesn't change the fact that people do not like Wendy and are asking for a boycott.

No, it won't change the system. Yes it will potentially cause harm to an enemy.

Then just characterize it how it is, not cry about how I play. If you don't like me fine, I'm not going to waste time begging people to help me boycott someone while making excuses. It will take more than a level 1 to do any damage to me, and its all LuLz really, it reeks of desperation or for lack of a better word, attention.

Yeah, let's separate the anti-Wendy sentiment from the anti-C3 war movement.

We need a good anti-C3 war slogan, or a song or something, for the movement.

How about "Glowing in the Wind?"

Xaldin - This is not c3 warring that has gone on in the past, sure many players have employed this tactic but not consistently for the better part of a year on 3 different worlds against probably hundreds of different enemies at this point. I'd love to see Wendy's war win/loss record in her account...I'd bet she's lost at least 500 c3's in the past 8-12 months. That's considerably different than a c3 war with a purpose, that's c3 warring to screw people over. Just as EO and Jojo have both said, the system needs changing and hopefully we finally have the voices/votes to make that happen. Plus, don't give Windy that much credit, this 'strategy' has been annoyance, not some great success. She'll rattle off numbers of inactives that she has taken but anyone could have done so without resorting to c3 warfare.

Windy - No *I* could care less about you c3 deccing me, if you actually decd the people that you claim to have issue with then this really wouldn't be as big of a deal. However, your current demonstration on GR is a perfect example of what you're actual goal is, you haven't taken a single country from Abe/Steven/Rob/Homer, etc., you are taking GREF inactive countries/countries of weaker players or countries who have nothing to do with the war. Which is exactly what you did on LU, you get pissed off at me, you dec Serp because he was in the middle of deactivations due to being too busy to maintain his workers at that time, or EC, or whoever...even so, you still haven't taken a single country with your silly strategy...you've landed some nukes, all of your griping with me you would think that you've really showed me how tough you are...1 NUKE IN 6 F*CKIN MONTHS...seriously...I'm supposed to be afraid of you? Give me a break.

Yet another Long Winded Post....

*Sighs* I think I'll call you Windy from now on.

Validation is coming for you okay, settle down little one.

I LIKE WHEN THE TALK LIKE THIS *******

!)morte

The best defense I have used against this is heavy AAMB and DMB then kill all O bases and O air bases down to one each. Leave one each alive. Then just keep attacking defenses at those two targets. A few times a day. You will catch some nice fish that way. They attack you and your D causes damage. You attack defenses at those two targets and you will kill ALL the offensive capabilities without spending much time or money.

bombers kills every LBCMB and CMB in the country and FP on the the O air bases kills all bomber and what not.

If your D is solid and you dont let them next to you, you'll hold with not much at risk.

just selectively kill what is placed in the c3's.

makes the aggressor continue to pump in more of THEIR assets. dont kill the c3's

aamb? dmb? lbcmb? cmb? wth does these things mean

aamb (anti air missile batteries), dmb (defensive missile batteries), lbcb (land base cruise batteries), cmb (conventional missile batteries).

I agree Barney, but you aren't seeing what is actually going on here. These aren't wars that are about taking a country...there is nothing in these c3's except nuke batts and strat bombers. This isn't an offensive attack as much as it is a terrorist attack. She takes 2 or 3 c3's decs, sends nukes, then a couple hours later, 2 or 3 more c3's taken and then sends nukes....over and over again...for weeks at a time. There is no concern of losing a country and as I stated, in all this time only one nuke landed on me but many others were not as fortunate and because of that people like me and many others are not taking new players into our feds because it is those players that get attacked and let's just say that they aren't all so experienced.

She is 100% aware that she has no chance to take a country from me and I am completely unconcerned with it...which is why it isn't me she decs when she's pissed, it is other members of my fed...just like she is doing right now on GR, she's pissed at Abe (who isn't even in GREF) and Steven and Rob, so she took...Crabs country? Beo's country? Oh wait...those were inactive players...interesting...

LOL there he goes again he knows so much and Barney knows nothing. You can't see what he can see or know what he can know. He is one smart mouse.

Barney was the first to go through something with me, but you know everything.

Yeah everyone was inactive, if they were inactive I'd have the rest of their countries too.

Windy - You are fully aware that they are inactive, you have no ability to beat anyone else other than a nub.

As far as Barney goes, his suggested strategy was exactly the right strategy if you are being attacked by players with skill using c3's such as the war on FB a couple years ago now. What you do is far different, there is nothing in your countries because you have no idea how to do anything but press the 'Launch Nuke' button, in addition because you purposely take c3's as far away from where you are attacking as possible and in all random parts of the world, the strategy of just attacking bases and leaving the countries isn't very simple which you are clearly aware of.

Anyway, stop with the BS...you know you are full of it so just stop...step up and fight if you want to. I've made you 100's of offers at this point of a fight, you don't want it because you know you can't win it. Make all the excuses you want.

Plus, those players were inactive or they were not actively defending, the reason you don't have the rest of their countries is that Steven and Homer stomped you down as usual...doesn't take much, Windy: Worst Fighter with Experience in the History of SC. Seriously, show us that win/loss record...losses in the 1000's yet?

You are boarding me too death lol. Your endless itching is waistful use of space on the forum. Cry me a river WGurl.

Heaven forbid I don't make it easy for you to take a c3. LoL.

about 9 more days silly rabbit. If you are crying now, wait until it really pops off. "Something has to change Pt2?"

I'll send you a case of Cheeze. The Industrial Pallet Case.