OK Hefty and Company, hostile bidding (Little Upsilon)

OK Hefty and Company,

You are bidding private corps controlled by my enterprise without my permission. I think this is a hostile action. Please retract your bid.

CEO of JTG Enterprise

News of this transgression displeases WildEyes!

We require the player names of the offenders.

The player name is Gothard43

add Anthony King to the mix. King Country.

This is an outrage!

In retaliation and to show our displeasure we have declared war on Genie Alpha and Multiphasic Shields! To further show our supreme displeasure, we have decreed that there will be no shots fired!

I hope this shows those little nuggets that SC R SERIOUS BUSINESS!

rararar!!!

Your multiphasic shielding is no match for my quantum torpedo~

I am wondering if there is a way to prevent from other player hostile bidding on my corps. Does this game have any active Game Master?

gamemaster@simcountry.com

If you own a CEO and it's another CEO bidding or a country Nationalizing your corps no, unless of course your corps are in a country that does not allow CEO's, sounds like a catch 22 doesn't it

Otherwise they are of course, paying alot more than the corp is actually worth, so much more in fact they are idiots for doing so unless the corp is failing and would skyrocket in value after being removed from poor management.

In which case them buying it is probably better than you keeping the "white elephant"

You can of course always track them down if they have a country and declare war ... or hire someone to do it for you if you've no country.

I noticed the newbs who bid on my CEO corps, bid on my corps which were located in their countries.
After buying my corps they then closed them.??? One even dereged the country.
They need to read the forums more before making decisions like that, and learn how to play the game.

I would have decd them and taken their empire, but they are in secured mode or WP. But I am watching them.

I simply don't care.

I didn't care when I couldn't move my corp during a bid. Still don't care when I can move it freely and avoid the bid.

Didn't care when corps were worth 120B. Didn't care when corps were worth 1T. Still don't care when people buy a corp of 300B for 500B.

Someone buying one corp among thousands, hundreds or dozens does not justify the insanity, the time, the money and the prosecution, specially when the auction leading to that waste was a gain. It makes even less sense when it is a punctual event and the bid comes from a country.


To me, an hostile action involves deliberate malice, not innocent ignorance. As such:

If a player bid on you unaware of common etiquette, tell him how things go.

If a player constantly bids on you, then do something about it.

Things work best this way.

Damn Lg whats wrong with you?

There's nothing wrong with me, as I don't defy the natural laws of economics. There are a few things wrong with going nuts over bidding, though.

It was restricted to when the corp belonged to an enterprise with over 1000 corps or it was a truly public corp. Now (for two years or something) it applies to all forms of bidding, against economic reason.

There are natural laws of economics? And here all this time I was thinking that economy was a construct... silly me...

Google can do so much...
http://www.freeliberal.com/archives/000438.html

Economics is a social science. It studies social phenomenons. Phenomenons may follow patterns from which laws are derived.

Economy, as it is conceived by assigning value to goods and services (through whichever factors are used to assign value), is a construct.

Those laws only hold insofar as the construct is upheld. You subvert the traditional conception of economy and the laws cease to be laws.

Therefore to call them natural laws is silly. There is no quiddity about economy from which you can derive laws, and the failure to acknowledge this is the bane of social sciences. Look at how many of those laws are contingent on a free-market environment, for example.


Edit: I should also never forget to play the "Oh, I don't really care so how about I play the game in the way that yields the most fun for me" card.

Because, you know... that's kinda how it is. It's not like you're going to do anything about it, LG.

this is a game not a lifestyle, or job. me thinks maybe lg forgets that.

You two don't even know what you are arguing.

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What is there in social that you do not understand?

I will try to explain this in a very simple manner:
Social sciences, such as Economics and Sociology, study social phenomenons, these can be understood as decisions and relations among human beings.

Natural laws are synonyms with patterns in phenomenons.

If you are saying there aren't patterns in people's decisions, you better warn everyone who practices a social science. We just might have all of our understanding about predicting behavior wrong.
It sure will make it difficult to understand how to stop the galloping inflation that is just waiting to explode in the US. It will also make it a tad difficult to prevent a country from growing old. And a whole lot of other things...

If you are arguing why they are named natural laws and not something else, sounds like a waste of time to me. They'll continue to print "natural laws" everywhere, whether you want to or not.


By the time you people spend here, I sometimes I wonder if don't treat this game as a second life or job.

Simcountry is a game. It requires thought to resolve problems of choice through decision, supported by information and yada yada. It is also an MMOG, so there are several social relations. Sounds familiar?

The factors that govern your decisions in the real world, are the same that govern your decisions here. However, some may not be present or arranged in different proportions. Because this is a game, it doesn't mean they suddenly vanish.

Restricting to economics: this is present on the corps you build, why you even build them in the first, the gold coins you purchase, the salaries you set, etc. This sounds a lot like gaming to me, and all within the pattern that would be expected in the real world under similar circumstances.


Weaving this with the topic:

My point was:
"Someone buying one corp among thousands, hundreds or dozens does not justify the insanity, the time, the money and the prosecution, (...) [it goes] against economical reason."

You people do not satisfy a natural law of economics. No curiosity to understand?

Someone bids on your corp and you receive something around 300B. You spent 100B to create it, so you made a profit of 200B (plus any profit made from creation to the bid). Also, you didn't lost something of value, because the game replicates perfect competition markets, so there is a low entry-barrier (how many clicks are needed to open a corp?). The natural thing to do would be to incentive players to bid on your mature corps and formalize the process.

Instead, the outliners react as if they had been infected with syphilis. Rationale? Don't ask me. The first process is more efficient, stable and just. Plus, people are only really having fun when all participants are having fun.


I could say more... but judging by Yankee's post and by the threads out there asking for people to bid on their corps, I suspect there are those who have a clue to something.


By the way:
Economics =/= Economy.

tl;dr

Your problem.

Bidding on country corps is one thing. Bidding on my CEO corps is another thing.

Most presidents including myself, encourage bidding on corps owned by our countries. Bidding on our CEO owned corps is not acceptable, period!!!!

You people really are something...

Not acceptable according who? You really want to know who?

It wasn't acceptable according to me, Yankee, RobG, Perlamo and a couple of others. We spread this throughout our own worlds: KB, GR and WG. FB is a different story.

We had enterprises with over 1000 corps or several truly corporations. This requires effort to build. As such, we got annoyed when someone tempered with our effort. Even so, "diplomacy" wasn't a card that was automatically removed from the deck. Unlikely to be used, but not impossible.

In my case, after I had built a series of countries with a profit ranging from 800B to 1T, I simply stopped carring. Never cared again since. Yankee no longer has his mega-enterprises and the others are gone.

If someone bids on corp you simply built and can replace like it never happened, there is no effort to back-up your over-the-top reaction.

Bidding is acceptable if it isn't done with malice. That's the only thing you people need to worry: malice.


Understand that as it was us who began this, we are the one who understand this better.

I think Laguna has found Jesus ..... either that or he's had a stroke, or an alien has sucked out his brain and replaced it with tofu.

Otherwise the only other explaination is he's in love

(you cheating bitch!)

I'm only being reasonable, logical. Which is almost as rare to see in Simcountry as a stroke on a healthy person, hence the confusion

(It's not my fault if Tom Cruise made a pass on me...)

But you are right .. I couldn't care less anymore, if I don't want so and so in my country I can get them out.

The game has changed quite a bit from the time bidding on a corp would cause me to nuke someone for weeks.

There is nothing they can buy from me they couldn't build themselves for alot less, and nothing I can't easily rebuild with the massive profit you get from a hostile bid even on a corp that is failing.

"Understand that as it was us who began this, we are the one who understand this better."

Sure you do. I have my own reasons for not wanting other people's corps in my countries and they have nothing to do with the "old days" or anyone else who "began" anything.

I'm sure other people are the same way, and if someone is having a knee-jerk reaction to hostile bidding rather than an actual reason to not want people to bid on their corps then that person ought to re-evaluate.