Same ol, Same ol!

Yet again the diseased running festerous lesion NLUO/TNA member known as 'Lord fLee', has declared war on a Hydra member unprovoked! As before pesticides/medication will be administered and the irritation will be handled. There will be repercussions and consequences, after all sometimes the 'itch' (fLee) has to be 'scratched' (spanked) again.

Is it correct to assume that the self proclaimed 'NLUO World Government Military' is declaring war on Hydra? The actions say yes. The country that issued the first dec is Mesopotamia that is a country of Mr fLee's and is part of the sub fed of TNA called 'Little Upsilon Treaty Organization.' As its ideology statement it says.. 'NLUO World Government Military,' thereby unequivocally proving its affiliation with the NLUO.

This is one of many in a long list of aggressions that the NLUO has instigated against Hydra. Hydra asks that those who do not wish to share in the 'sins' of the NLUO, get out from among its midst unless you want to share in her destruction! Hydra will most certainly retaliate against fLee and discussions are underway as to the final result for the rest of those that support these hostile actions.

This once again shows the direction, or lack thereof, of the NLUO. Hydra understands there are some new leaders among the NLUO and we urge them to take quick, decisive, firm and just actions against all those involved.

Would you like to Charge Lord LEE?
Hez could you give me a list of chargeable crimes?

Sorry Mr Cameron, I understand that you want to help the NLUO gov. However Hydra does not recognize their system of governing, therefore as such, Hydra will not charge anyone through the system that the NLUO has set into place. If members of the NLUO desire to do so, thats their business, so I respectfully decline your offer.

Hydra has its own 'brand' of justice that is soon to be poured out upon the wart of SC's butt Mr. fLee. You are of course free to proceed as you so desire.

Although I am deeply troubled and sorry for the war dec that has gone out at the hands of Lord Lee. The NLUO has nothing to do wit Lord Lee's aggressive attack. The attack is a federation only attack in retaliation for past wars such as the Hydra/NLUO World War where a significant amount of assets were taken. Also King James the Fair was attacked and assets taken from him because of Security Council Resolution brought against Serpent. This war was not authorized by the TNA federation, nor the NLUO. This is a lone act of aggression, and he has no defensive support in this war dec. We will at the federation level contact Lord Lee and ask him his reasoning for his actions. Since the NLUO world Government is undergoing structural reform as well as constitutional reform. I don't deem it wise to engage Lord Lee at the LUICC level. This should remain at the federation level, and the NLUO should have no involvement militarily or politically. Although as Chairman of the TNA Federation, I will consult with Lord Lee for his actions. If the parties involved are willing. We can all sit down in the General Assembly chat since it is a neutral world forum to handle these high level war issues.

Under stood.
But I'd still like a list of chargeable crimes, for future reference.

We are going to re-write the laws, and crimes at the Constitutional convention so all members of the gov, and the citizens of LU are on one page.

I thank you for your stedfast attention to this potential crisis. Mr. Deputy Chief Justice.

His country 'flies' the NLUO banner. therefore by association it is responsible. If one of my Hydra mates dec'd somebody I cant then claim the rest of us aint responsible. The simple fact is this, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR MEMBERS.

There is no other way this act of aggression can be explained.

I will re-post what I said before....

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Hydra asks that those who do not wish to share in the 'sins' of the NLUO, get out from among its midst unless you want to share in her destruction! Hydra will most certainly retaliate against fLee and discussions are underway as to the final result for the rest of those that support these hostile actions.<!-/Quote-!>

This kind of aggression has went on for long enough. The time now... is for action!

Let it be known that the NLUO advocated for peace and Hydra is taking an aggressive tone. So here is your beloved Hydra LU. The Pot calling the kettle black.

The NLUO has NOT advocated for anything. All the NLUO has up to this point proven to be is sniveling worms. I hope the new officials can change things. You gotta understand Mr Hez, that your actions and the actions of those you CHOOSE to associate with mean alot more than the propaganda you spew forth!

If the NLUO really wants peace for their other members, as this is no longer an option for Mr. fLee, they must publicly in this forum, on this thread, denounce and reject Mr. fLee for his current actions. In that case, the NLUO might be able to escape the certain judgement that will be metted out to those who have chosen to act irresponsibility. So yes, you are correct in your assessment of an aggressive tone! What else do you expect?

Must suck to log in every day to your main country and see serpents army at your boarders. But your war lvl 1 anyway so it don't matter. Maybe they don't like the way you run your fed. They have a idea of how things should be you have yours. But this war was started by one of your members to even say you had no idea means your not in control of your fed. Shame on you for always trying to be the victim.

Exactly... thanks smokes... the proof is in the pudding!

Hydra is always going on the offensive in matters of international politics. Did you even contact Lord Lee about his actions, or did you immediately come to the international forum to condemn the NLUO soon as you seen one of its members doing something you feel is illegal and irresponsible, but yet you have taken assets from nations just because you can. This makes you a bully in my book. I would call on the NLUO and the international community to condemn your actions serpent, but as of now our public image is not a favorable one. You will have your day under the sun Serpent.

i like the sun, its warm, and good for my complexion. not to mention, the bikinis

gotta love california

serpent wouldnt your war be with TNA and not NLUO as I have ULUN members in NLUO who have had nothing to do with this aggresion yet are in NLUO. So this in the great scheme of things your pushing agression on ULUN and some of your own hydra members in NLUO... not trying to sound agressive or anything im just making a point..

@Hez

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No I did not. Did fLee care to contact Keto before he dec'd him? C'mon Hez, you know thats not right.
Also when have I taken anything from any of you guys "just because I can"? You guys have lost assets because you start stuff and you end up losing! You put it out there, smack us with it, we kick your butt and take it from you! Thats all it is Hez!


@JMC

JMC please re-read my statement, Ill quote it again for you:

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Hydra asks that those who do not wish to share in the 'sins' of the NLUO, get out from among its midst unless you want to share in her destruction! Hydra will most certainly retaliate against fLee and discussions are underway as to the final result for the rest of those that support these hostile actions.<!-/Quote-!>

So the question is,
1) Do you support the actions taken by Lee dec'g unprovoked on Keto? Or
2) Do you support Hydra as we defend ourselves against these hostilities? These are simple questions.
If you answer yes to #1 then we are, in your words, "pushing agression"!

However after thinking for a moment Im sure you realize that we are not pushing nothing, we didnt start this. This was a dec by fLee, not Hydra or its members. We are simply defending ourselves. If you fly the same banner as he does then you must choose where you stand. Is this not reasonable?

I agree with Serp. This war dec came out of no where. Hydra is going to defend themselves. I wish i could cease the conflict but i dont think i can. I have not signed the war treaty in NLUO in case of this. Just dont dec on me and we will be good. Serp, i will work hard with the cabinet of NLUO to stop this from happening again.

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Must suck to log in every day to your main country and see serpents army at your boarders. But your war lvl 1 anyway so it don't matter. Maybe they don't like the way you run your fed. They have a idea of how things should be you have yours. But this war was started by one of your members to even say you had no idea means your not in control of your fed. Shame on you for always trying to be the victim.<!-/Quote-!>

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His country 'flies' the NLUO banner. therefore by association it is responsible. If one of my Hydra mates dec'd somebody I cant then claim the rest of us aint responsible. The simple fact is this, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR MEMBERS.<!-/Quote-!>

No one is ever in complete control of a federation. All leadership can ever do is dictate their policy, state their rules and offer incentives for following them or offer disincentives for disobeying them. After doing so all a leader can do is keep an eye out for trouble spots and react to them in a timely manner, often hoping for the best while preparing for the worst. All the preparation in the world however becomes pointless when the one wronged acts rashly as in this case. When seems to be ignored here is all a leader can do is react to problems. You can't ever prevent them from arising except by seeing to it your group doesn't exist. Joining a group does not in any way remove a member's capacity for free thought or independent, unilateral, action. Most do recognize taking such action would put at the very least a great strain on their leadership and put their fellow members are risk. Not all care about said risk though and that's the type which gets called a rogue and left out in the wind. Declaring a federation war would accomplish nothing there except cause more problems such as showing others you're unreasonable. After all from the OP all that seems to have occurred is a single member started a war and because of their affiliation with another, disliked, group the war was needlessly widened to the federation level. This is the epitome of rashness because you're not considering other possibilities and approaching the issue logically but instead are approaching it from an emotional level. If there's a lot of history between two groups then it stands to reason there would be occasions where members would unilaterally take action.

Simply put this action by Hydra is poorly chosen. To associate a federation with the action either this rogue would need to have taken part in an action condoned by his group or had some measure of authority within said group to the extent that his action might be properly taken for an extension of orders he's given to others. I don't see any of this. I do see a presumption of guilt for those who aren't even taking part in the attack. Considering how "easy" Hydra is willing to let people go for merely distancing themselves from these acts by simply stating they disapprove of it I don't see how this escalation by Hydra is warranted when the same could have been obtained through peaceful discourse. This widening war is not so much about justice as an extension of a grudge.

peaceful discourse, has never resulted in the NLUO backing down.

if the NLUO wants peaceful discourse, then they should kick out the members that consistently go rogue.

its a cheap tactic to allow members to go rogue, to further the groups own agenda, while disclaiming responsibility, but excepting the individual as a respected leader.

this is not the first time this has happened

You are wrong! Your assumptions are flawed.

Fact: NLUO members have been aggressive against Hydra many many times in the recent past.
Fact: Hydra has never dec'd unprovoked on any NLUO member.
Fact: When at 'war' Hydra agreed to a ceasefire (which was really 'Hydra stop shooting at us').
Fact: Hydra has helped and continues to have members in the NLUO to assist them. However these members publicly condemn the hostil actions by other NLUO members by their actions (such as offering assistance with air d and other means.)

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You are correct. Maybe you would agree that when a member puts the rest of his fedmates at risk they have the right to pass judgement on his actions. After all, as I mentioned earlier he does reflect upon his fed, good or bad.

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This is exactly what is being suggested. Those that support or do not support the NLUO's members actions need to react! By its very nature of claiming to be a 'world government' the NLUO has attempted to confuse the line between who is who within the LU community. So as no mistakes are made, a simple question has been laid out.

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Considering how "easy" Hydra is willing to let people go for merely distancing themselves from these acts by simply stating they disapprove of it I don't see how this escalation by Hydra is warranted when the same could have been obtained through peaceful discourse.<!-/Quote-!>

Hydra is easy to work with. However I ask, was it 'peaceful discourse' that made fLee dec Keto? Obviously not!

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This widening war is not so much about justice as an extension of a grudge.<!-/Quote-!>

There is no grudge. Why would Hydra have a grudge? Oh yeah... maybe its because of some NLUO members repeatedly threatening us and dec'g us that has us a lil bit upset!

So here is a simple question Mr. Metgredko, do you support Mr fLee's hostile actions against Hydra? Do we have your permission and blessing to defend ourselves?

Hydra are terrorists and under the terrorism act I have impunity to declare on them as such!

right on serp!

Therefore the people of the countries that you dec Hydra with will die as you wallow in your filthy lies.

Inbox me Serp when you're at War Level 7 and I'll declare on you too and destroy your empire!!!

doubt it lee