The Case for the NULO (Golden Rainbow)

Hello.

This a topic intended to inform sim citizens of a few misconceptions of NULO and the injustices that are employed in undermining sincere efforts to get this movement off the ground.


At first. I really didn't care much for the Idea. In time I had come to realize that in fact it was a great IDEA at the very least. Many Vets would say that this is terrible. It is meant for King to rule the world with its devices. Its evil incarnate and so on.

Actually this is nowhere near having any truth in it. Those kind of statements are the Vet establishments attempts to remain in a shadow ruling coalition that dominates the SC landscape.They wish t retain power and keep it in place so that no one will be able to change what is already in place.

Under normal circumstances, I would say that what is in place does in fact work. But it is much more complicated than that. There are way too many double standards that apply. For instance, a vet, in his military hat, would boldly do something that is taboo for a new player to do. Yet the establishment will hold new players accountable and appease the veteran. There have been instances where where the double standard is exposed and then the vet, counting on relationships with other vets, will fabricate justification for such blatantly wrong action.

Do not confuse what I am saying. I have had good and bad experiences with new and vet alike. Most Vets are very helpful, willing, and able to be very humble and key to new player development. But Heaven forbid a player cross paths with a player who is a vet, and exchange insult for insult on the forum. Or simply not immediately bow in obesiance to a veterans threats of unjustified action, when things could be averted through other means. When this happens, a more powerful player will almost always dominate the new player, which is exactly why this kind of action is not even necessary to avoid adverse consequences to either party.

The NLUO if implemented, would consist of 144 members. Individuals, not empires, but presidents that would reflect a larger portion of LU. And accurately reflect the community as a whole. Implementing policy to better avert large scale wars which have been waged. And not continue such wars without being held in lieu of the community having a working in any process regardless if it be peace and/or war.

Many will come out against this IDEA and say adverse things about it, based purely on negative bias, or selfish motives. The reason in my eyes that an elite group of vets disagree with this based purely on unjustified hunger and appetite for power, is that a coalition of nations would threaten to overrule the few powerful voices and have an opposition of majority decision that could one day drown out powerful in favor of the many. This kind of decision making need be made especially in times of conflict to stop wars that only a few wish to perpetuate while the community grows tired. I am saying this without prejudice, because ATM I indeed without going into rhyme or reason am one of the ones that wishes to continue in blood wars, so I am indeed showing how this kind of organization of parties would even sometimes disagree with myself, and hold me even accountable. Not just those who are at odds with me.

If and when it is completed as an organization it would stand to give every one on LU voice to be heard, and give weight to the voice of community. Not just the powerful few.

There are many vets, but true power, rests on a very elite group of a few of them, and they are indeed active in executing the issues of retaining such power. We all know absolute power IS corrupt. And to resist the checking of corruption is to show true intentions of the corrupt forces. They indeed reveal themselves as the ones in power, willing and able to be corrupt.

NLUO looks forward to listening to the concerns of any interested members of LU. Please refrain from basing rebuttals based purely on personal issues and petty arguments that will ruin this discussion. I thank the level heads in advance. Any is welcomed to comment even Q

Sincerely

Wendy
(E)Party Chairwoman of the Little Upsilon Institute Political Think Tank
ChairWoman of The SOL Federation
The High Profitess Eternal of The Philadelphian Empire

Proud Elite Party Member of THE ONE and ONLY NLUO

"The NLUO if implemented, would consist of 144 members."

Out of 1748 presidents.

In other words, this purported "World Government" will only represent 8.24% of the presidents of LU.

The other 91.76% of the presidents will simply ignore the jurisdiction of this alleged "World Government." I am very interested in just how exactly this World Government intends on bringing the vast majority of LU to heel.

I could not have said it better myself, but I am quickly shut up, and the thread slandered, and my nation boycotted, and attacked...

That is what I have been trying to convey, and many others, the same thing. President Wendy was just elegant enough to put it all in one post. Bravo President Wendy. I salute you in your coming out against what we all knew from the beginning, LU is ran in the shadows, and they love their power. Well all of the NLUO are here to say:

POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

RETURN THE SOVERNITY TO THE NATIONS OF LU IN THE FORM OF A CENTRALIZED WORLD GOVERNMENT SERVANT TO THE NATIONS OF LITTLE UPSILON.

OUR PEOPLE UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!!!

Wendy, King's original proposition only allowed for 48 members to be in it. This one allows for 144. How will these 144 presidents be chosen may I ask.


*NOTE TO ALL* DO NOT SPAM THIS! SOME MAY BE INTERESTED IN HOW THIS WORKS LETS LET THEM HAVE THEIR VOICE BE HEARD!

With Regards,
Dragoon

Wendy,

Since this is your thread, I wish to leave a couple serious questions:


1.) How is this different from a federation?

2.) How does it give someone a voice - beyond what this forum already provides?

3.) How would the NLUO stop a war?

4.) How would the NLUO try to control existing federations?

5.) If the two largest federations on LU refuse to take part, how can it be affective?

Look Keith, they can ignor it, and we will band together as a central government, and make thier life on LU unpleasant by boycotts, and security resolutions. If nations don't do unjust things, they won't have the NLUO in their face. This mainly for large emires because generally new and small nations don't do corupt or unjust things. It is the larger more experienced players who do the bad things...

The main problem I see with this, isn't a matter of whether or not its a good idea.

Its a matter of, the majority of the community has rejected it time and time again.

Federations like VS and SNA are basically similar to the NLUO, without all the extra stuff that isn't needed.

Even the NLUO is based on elite party membership and such.

People should be held accountable for their actions, I agree. Maybe the Security Council should be elective in nature for the non-top rank members? Hold elections every real life month or two.

I'm sure others could expand upon that concept more.

Then, give the Security Council a little more power to settle disputes.


Maybe the NLUO should be more FLEXIBLE with regard to what the majority wants. Obviously, most completely disagree with the whole concept. Find out how people would want to set something like this up, and maybe you might have a better shot. Rather than King's setup or no setup.

Q

First of all Keith, when implimented it will start with 48 members, as more presidents sign on it will swell to 144 members.. We believe that 144 members should be able to handle all of the diversity of LU.

Quote from King: Look Keith, they can ignor it, and we will band together as a central government, and make thier life on LU unpleasant by boycotts, and security resolutions. If nations don't do unjust things, they won't have the NLUO in their face. This mainly for large emires because generally new and small nations don't do corupt or unjust things. It is the larger more experienced players who do the bad things...


So you wish to impose the wish of a minority (144 out of 1748) on the majority. You wish to force people into the NLUO, with boycotts and security council resolutions.

Many small and new nations do unjust and corrupt things. Take a look at all the noobs wanting nukes.

I don't see how this is different from the federations we already have, except that you wish to control everyone else through the NLUO.

Q

@ Keith, thx for your commments

Given how disorganized LU is, an attempt to consolidate as many presidents as possible into an active policy making entity, ahould NOT be a bias for reasons not to attampt such an undertaking. Dare to be Bold. Do what has not been done before.

Or why not at least be aggressive enough to try?

How many of those presidents should be active? Certainly not that many in the figure you stated. I hear you concerns but I think that they don't really constitute a legitimate reasons to abandoning the IDEA

@Dragoon

After more seats are filled many new ones will be made to accurately reflect all members of LU willing to participate.

The Structure is fluid adapting to needs of the community. If it needs to be changed, it will become changed when necessary and at the discretion of the members that make up its membership. There is room yet still for even further improvement. When the needs arise they will be addressed.

I now yield back the floor.

Except King - 144 presidents only equal 8.24% of LU leaders as Keith pointed out.

Could you tell us how you aim to have a world government with such a small percentage of players involved?

By the way - you may have noticed that i'm holding off the attacks, hoping that you will agree to a diplomatic solution.

Q-

It might surprise some players to know how democratic Seven Nation Army is.

We have a weekly assembly, a forum where we vote on and discuss issues, and we have a Constitution, which guarantees the independence and sovereignty of every member state.

Seven Nation Army is simply a community of friendly players. As a federation we are totally committed to peace and security on Little Upsilon.

Check out our Web site to see how Seven Nation Army is a democratic and effective organization on Little Upsilon.

http://web.mac.com/mburckhalter/iWeb/SevenNationArmy

1.) How is this different from a federation?

2.) How does it give someone a voice - beyond what this forum already provides?

3.) How would the NLUO stop a war?

4.) How would the NLUO try to control existing federations?

5.) If the two largest federations on LU refuse to take part, how can it be affective?

Here are the answers to your questions:
1.It is different from a fed in the sense that all of the feds in the NLUO integrate, and are apart of the Military complex. That is one aspect of the war machine.

2.It gives really smaller nations a voice because they are drowned out by all of your I am a big great nation talk, and as soon as a smaller nations has an idea, and speaks out against a larger nation, that nation is pounced on. So it will just equalize the power in the larger nations.
3.The NLUO will stop a war by first diplomatic means on the simcountry forums, and private emails to that nation. We set up a peace deal, and if the parties don't agree, there can be a public vote on the actions of the 2 nations and who is right. If they are just defiant and not attacking anyone, we will just set up security council resolutions, and boycotts.. But if that nation attacks someone then they will face the full onslaught of the NLUO Military complex.
4. They would control existing feds by the chairman of the feds who are apart of the NLUO. If the fed is not apart of the NLUO, there will be diplomatic means..
5. Eventually more new nations will come and grow. More nations will help the NLUO grow..
Eventually it will take hold..

"Look Keith, they can ignor it, and we will band together as a central government, and make thier life on LU unpleasant by boycotts, and security resolutions. If nations don't do unjust things, they won't have the NLUO in their face. This mainly for large emires because generally new and small nations don't do corupt or unjust things. It is the larger more experienced players who do the bad things...

First of all Keith, when implimented it will start with 48 members, as more presidents sign on it will swell to 144 members.. We believe that 144 members should be able to handle all of the diversity of LU. "

1. Veteran players know exactly how to get around boycotts. A boycott would not affect us much at all.

2. Large empires get on the Security Council by being in first place in the rankings. Therefore, to control the Security Council, you must court the very people whom you seek to restrain. How's that working out for ya? The chances of the random seats all being assigned to the NLUO, with only 8.24% of the LU population (at its peak, when all its seats are filled), and thus being able to overrule the vets without vet cooperation, are pretty small.

3. Do you know why you must be a full paid member of SC to get nukes? Because once upon of time SC was infested with a bunch of noobs who thought it'd be funny to build a nuke and launch it at their neighbor for no apparent reason, other than that their free trial was about to expire. So your assertion that small nations are always morally correct is a bunch of BS.

Okstate, I was pointing out that the NLUO seems LESS democratic than federations.

Q

And I would like to see a response from King and/or Wendy on my two posts above.

What most of you fail to realize is, that people get bored and quit. If we can make some interaction with all nations, then more people would probably stay on, and play.

I'm sorry, but I asked Wendy to answer these five questions. I feel that they get to the heart of the issue and deserve a reasonable/serious response.

Also, anyone who considers SNA a "military complex" has been smoking something.


1.) How is this different from a federation?

2.) How does it give someone a voice - beyond what this forum already provides?

3.) How would the NLUO stop a war?

4.) How would the NLUO try to control existing federations?

5.) If the two largest federations on LU refuse to take part, how can it be effective?

1. Veteran players know exactly how to get around boycotts. A boycott would not affect us much at all.

2. Large empires get on the Security Council by being in first place in the rankings. Therefore, to control the Security Council, you must court the very people whom you seek to restrain. How's that working out for ya? The chances of the random seats all being assigned to the NLUO, with only 8.24% of the LU population (at its peak, when all its seats are filled), and thus being able to overrule the vets without vet cooperation, are pretty small.

3. Do you know why you must be a full paid member of SC to get nukes? Because once upon of time SC was infested with a bunch of noobs who thought it'd be funny to build a nuke and launch it at their neighbor for no apparent reason, other than that their free trial was about to expire. So your assertion that small nations are always morally correct is a bunch of BS.

Here are the answers to your statement.

1.As far as getting around boycotts, it doesn't matter. We will take that to the LU community if war is the only option to contain a nation who is threatening peace. We can say to the LU community that we did everything we could before war was declared..

2.First of all I recruited Bakronesia, and he is on the security council. Like I said nations will come and grow, it is up to us to keep them playing.

3.I have met new players who have gotten full memberships, but are just starting out won't come on the forum because they see what happened to me, and they want to have a chance to build before they get involved in the community. Once you have a full membership, you should be able to have full access to the community without bias.

OK State_guy

Wendy,

Since this is your thread, I wish to leave a couple serious questions:


1.) How is this different from a federation?

A federation is a smaller group of players dedicated to the interests of said federation.

NLUO is and should be dedicated to the views and concerns of the whole of LU not just a federation. Fed s can now have total 25 members, the main parties of NLUO plan to have more than about double that total, not to mention planned future growth. As Keith said, there are upwards of 1700 presidents. I think he meant (number of countries WITH a President) not unique presidents. I don't even think that many people are playing sim country as a whole as full members. When it is up there i will be happy.

2.) How does it give someone a voice - beyond what this forum already provides?

The strength is on the majority. Whatever the issue may be, general votes for SC, exclusive polling, voting/proomoting on WAR and Peace Etc. The forum is just that. A forum, nothing anyone says here should have no real policy making impact nor does it i think. When the NLUO decides something, it reflects all its members and would have the support of its members in giving proper weight to even the smallest of voices.

3.) How would the NLUO stop a war?

The answer to this question is still undefined. I would not make up a majority as I am only one person, it would assumable be discussed and decided on by membership. What they would or wouldn't do is unpredictable.

4.) How would the NLUO try to control existing federations?

They wouldn't, This is not a system of control. I already stated that clearly as has King.

5.) If the two largest federations on LU refuse to take part, how can it be affective?

Any party who chooses NOT to take part it is their decision. Agian refusal of anyone to participate is NOT ground for abandoning the idea. Sorry to answer a question with a question. Why would anything need to be necessary of the largest organizations to work?

The launch and subsequent success is not hinged on any particular member or federations participation.

Another Question, why would the larger feds not participate lest it be out of fear or personal reasons, not leaning to the logic of this organizations benefits to LU? I don't know either


Thanks for your questions.

Well OK state Guy my answers to your questions make to must sense, huh?

Due to the rapid responses here, I will now yield the floor and get back to comments on a one on one basis, as I can comment accurately on all these complex comments, due to time constraints, Im fighting a war Darnit.

So you wish to impose the wish of a minority (144 out of 1748) on the majority. You wish to force people into the NLUO, with boycotts and security council resolutions.


To answer to this, These 144 are elected officals by the public, and members. So it is a representative centralized World government servant to the people of Little Upsilon...

Point of clarification: "As Keith said, there are upwards of 1700 presidents. I think he meant (number of countries WITH a President) not unique presidents."

I meant unique presidents. The other night I downloaded the spreadsheet of every nation with a president on SC, filtered out president duplicates (i.e. more than one hit for the same president), and the result was 1748 countries.

Insofar as King's responses to me...

"1.As far as getting around boycotts, it doesn't matter. We will take that to the LU community if war is the only option to contain a nation who is threatening peace. We can say to the LU community that we did everything we could before war was declared.."

I could take this to mean that the NLUO intends to threaten the existence of nations that do not tow its party line, but I will instead take this as the rantings of someone who has no skill at persuasion, and allow you to clarify, Wendy.

EDIT: "So you wish to impose the wish of a minority (144 out of 1748) on the majority. You wish to force people into the NLUO, with boycotts and security council resolutions.


To answer to this, These 144 are elected officals by the public, and members. So it is a representative centralized World government servant to the people of Little Upsilon... "

Somehow I get the feeling that those 144 would be the only ones VOTING. It is unrealistic to expect to bind the 91% who wouldn't vote in such an election, to its outcome. Unfortunately for you, sovereignty in this game lies with the presidents, who can choose whatever course of action they will.

Okstate, I was pointing out that the NLUO seems LESS democratic than federations

How?