Request for NLUO to investigate member rudeness and provocation

Wendy, you are truly are incredible. And you now have the cheek to accuse me of asshattery.

Several of lee's corps paid no CRU at all due to consistently making losses and with low salaries I also receive very little income tax. Those are the figures I am concerned with. Lee's salary/production levels are his business, he's no econ dummy, and you should know, low enough salaries = worker shortage = low production, I shouldn't have to point that out to you. Thats just stupid to recommend he pay even less. Why do you wish to start an economic war with me?

So, sigh, I am making no fabrication, I make a genuine request in the right way to Lee. I have not nationalised anything as I awaited Lee settling things. I am old enough and wise enough to realise that 'computer says no' was just an off the wall comment. Its actually quite funny, but thats a brit only joke, british TV program.

But thanks anyway for your astounding display of diplomacy and representation of NLUO, next time I shall not bother to give NLUO the respect to try and go through their processes. It seems you are intent on destroying their reputation single handedly.

Anal King? Do you have CEOs in your country? Do you let them use 100K+ workers without paying anything to your country. Sorry buddy, but I'm trying to get my countries best I can, not run a frigging charity. Lordy, I offer 120 welfare! Pay your way or get lost.

Thankyou for your offer Carthaginian0, respect, but I believe Lee and I no longer have any issue here. It's just such a shame that Mdm. Secretary of state made an ugly fracas of it again.

i can point out, that most of my corps, pay out more CRU compaired to other corps of the same type with higher sals.

i do my thing differently, and it works, but crafty is not getting cheated by me. as he's still getting a good paycheck from my ceo.

further, i had this same conversation with crafty, on FB months ago. and we came to a compromise. I raised my sals a little, and he excepted slightly lower sals. he got more, i still made a good profit, and got to do business with him.

i'd have to imagine, much of this issue, is the bull headed response lee gave crafty. i know from experience, that crafty is willing to compromise, on this very issue.

ttfn

I am sorry for you feel that way Crafty. I wish it were more we could do. I understand your position, and respect it. My personal opinion is it is sort of anal. There is a debate in the gov on this issue before you even brought it public, so we were aware of this issue for a while, so it is ongoing. We do plan to defend King Lord Lee if anything is done to him out of sure revenge. We do appreciate your diplomatic skills. I guess it is your British charm since brits seem to be naturally skilled at diplomacy. Cheers!!

I have privately messaged Crafty just a few moments ago and have decided that if he feels so strongly about the issue raised that he can nationalize any of my factories in his countries.

Lord Lee.

Hmm. I usually stay out of these discussions...

If a president of any country decides that they want to nationalize corps for ANY REASON they should be able to do so without reprisal if FAIR WARNING has been given to allow the owner to move them if they so wish.

It would appear Crafty has done this, so where's the problem?

stepping out again.....

Good King Hez, because a president has no other recourse against an uncooperative CEO. Its nationalise at risk of war or suffer it. So settling it like gentlemen is far better. After all, it's not an issue of attacking someone else in any manner, just a president trying to make money at the same time as a CEO. It's rarely been an issue before, even between major feds at each others throats, lets keep it that way, it wouldn't be good for the game to have people doing all sorts of crappy things and hiding behind their feds.

So case closed, see you in the bar.

I am actually glad this came out in the public. Crafty is right because both sides are very skeptical of each other, and this can turn into an international issue. I want to commend Secretary King Lord Lee for his most gracious concession. Economically I believe that the Corporation should not be subject to the government in issues of salaries, employment, and production. That is my personal ideology of the issue.

Crafty, you are not only an AssHat but your request and patriotic post is hypocritical at best. There are other Presidents running their corps in a manner worse than that you described by Lord Lee.

You also gave some speech on profits and CRU and there is zero tangible evidence that any president can see substantiate to your claims. It took all but 5 minutes to look over your countries and see how full of it your entire original post was. I did not insult you. I gave you what you asked. A full and thorough investigation using the little data you provided.

You danced around the salary issue so I looked at nearly every corp.

You attempted to make it look as if I used the wrong country, and though you provided no particular country, I looked at all of them.

I used the criteria and the standards you used against Lee to demonstrate that in fact Lee is not nearly as responsible for your hypothetical woes as much as a group of president's you never mentioned in the post.

You singled out Lee for this nonsense, likely based on his membership in the NLUO because you cannot provide examples of how he even met the description of what you claimed in your original post. You dodged and danced because you knew this was a bad PR stunt.

I was thorough, my findings were accurate, and your eyes CC are most assuredly proven to be brown my good sir. I have saved this last dance for you, because I do not think you should deserve another after this poor showing of brinksmanship. I expected more of you which is why I took this seriously. I was proven wrong.

The bottom line is that ALL the claims of CC's original post were proven not only wrong but also very misleading. This is a fact at this point. I doubt much could have changed since the posts at the top, the situation is probably very much the same.

If CC can substantiate any of his claims using any corporation name and the country it is housed in, I will be happy to laugh at how many other countries are actually doing much worse. But CC chose to target Lee with this deplorable behavior.

Until anyone does use the corporations in any of CC's countries to demonstrate his allegations to be true, there is no need for further dialogue. It will only lead to feelings and stories clouding solid facts that are not disputed.

Oh dear. I assure you it had nothing to do with Lee's affiliation to anyone. It was purely an economical matter. I have had the same issue with Josias on FB, he is not 3M and that wasn't a personal attack on another organisation either.

Fact is, Lee was paying too low salaries to maintain full hiring. It went on for a long time. Some of your corps are the same Wendy, but they are nuclear power and such corps that will swing wildly from paying zip to paying large, so I have no problem with those.

You know I dont do PR stunts as you call it, I leave that to you and others. I merely asked NLUO to look into it to comply with the manner in which they like to deal with their affairs. I regret that you turned it into a hate campaign. The rest of us have sorted this matter Wendy, thank you for looking, but I'm afraid you didn't have the impartiality required to produce a solution. Lee did.

CC this was over when I posted the facts in the investigation you wanted. Sorry the results are not what you wanted and exactly the opposite. You want a better shovel?

Really? I dont see any response from the investigation regarding Lord Lee's initial answer to my request. To refresh your memory: "computer says NO". You didn't investigate at all, you used the matter to try to belittle me. It may have worked with a newer player, but my reputation stands on its own.

Thanks again Mdm. Secretary. I wish you prosperity and fufillment in your SC career.

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So, after a brief moment of reflection, it is my recommendation that Lee actually lower his salaries in order to raise the profits/CRU he contributes to Crafty.

I'm still thinking CRU is tied to salary, and if this is indeed the case, it appears CC's needs to take up this issue with more than just Lee, especially since I noted only a single corp that Lee owns performing at the production level that Josias, Keto's and Beast/Ambien's levels, being the case for upwards of 20 or more corps in the various countries listed. <!-/Quote-!>

It is was a fact that Lee's corps are the least of your concerns. Three other CEO's in your countries are running corporations worse than Lee. Ambien and Keto's corps are definitely running so a low a salary that it is their corps that are struggling with hiring.

It is unbelievable that you are serious. But ok. I bought you a nice industrial grade shovel. Keep digging. You need a really big plot opened up to bury that massive rep this thread just destroyed. Normally you are reasonable, but this thread qualifies you for AssHat of the month.

Whatever. The bottom line that concerns me is the CRU paid to my country. Period. CRU is not so much based on salary as production and cost, to include supplies, so higher Q helps CRU too. Also trade strats matter. Asking for over Q produced reduces your corp performance so lowering CRU. Lee raised his salaries marginally and his profits have increased greatly. Both of us benefitted.

You see Wendy, most of us here would agree that it is in both the CEOs and presidents interests to behave in a symbiotic manner. How I deal with other CEOs is not your business. How do you know I havent asked Keto to raise his salaries too? (in fact I did, and he has). Like wise of Josias. Ambien I dont know if he is actually active, but I have very few of his corps anyway.

Like I said before, I only bought the Lee question to the NLUO because it was my belief that is how they like things done concerning their members. It seems that it wasnt your juristriction anyway, but Carthy's.

So enough of critisising my econ. That is my business. And I think Lee and I have an arrangement with no thanks to you (though I see lee's salaries going down again). And how I run my affairs with other CEOs is not pertinant to the issue.

The matter is done with Wendy, please keep out of it now. You aren't convincing anyone that I'm an asshat, just making a nuisance of yourself.

NLUO need you more with Hezzies and Shaves impending court cases.

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Lol, lol, and LOL!

I'm am proof positive the light that was shed on the inaccuracy of your accusations kind of forced your hand to deal with Lee in a more negotiable fashion. Keep it realz!

King will be vindicated and justified he is.

Shave has all but sealed his own fate by his own admission. It is just a matter of making it official as far as I am aware of.

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Public Relations IS my duty as Secretary of State. If you posted this on the NLUO forum or messaged King or some other official instead of placing this on the public forum, I would have no issue staying out of this problem. You kind of placed in my arena so to speak.

Just something to think about in the future. I am glad it is solved.

Wrong again Wenders, but you would never admit to that would you, for some reason you seem think it would make you a lesser person.

And 'Accusations'? what accusations, what ever did I accuse lee of? Yet again, I just asked NLUO to get involved as Lee is a member, to prevent any misunderstanding and arguements if it did come to me nationalising corps. I did exactly the right thing as per accepted ways of dealing with these issues.

No inaccuracies on my part, dont question my economy policies, they are as valid as anyones.

I had no further dealings directly with Lee therefore my hand could not be said to have been forced. Lee has taken actions under his own volition which satisfy me and presumably him too.

Good result. Now please refrain from trying to drag my name through the mud, I play clean as anyone will tell you and you actually know.

Until next time, Au revoir.

All the accusations are in the original post.

/me passes CC the Shovel... Starts the Ipod... and begins dancing.

Yep, just re-read the original post.

And the accusations are where exactly?

The only dance you do is St Vitus' dance.

Thanks for the shovel, it'll help me clear the horseshit from under my feet.

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This causes me problems with my employment figures and causes Lord Lees corps to lose money, so reducing my income from hosting his corps.<!-/Quote-!>

These two accusations were the basis of your post and summarize what you claim gave you the justifiable need to nationalize his corps.

Both were false.

In all but a single country and a single corporation, Lee's hiring was always full. Only 1 corp in 1 country had hiring problems.

Lee was actually in all but one case running better salaries than presidents who have nearly 2 to 3 times as many corps in all your countries.


I probably would agree with you if you were to name all those players as well as Lee in the post, and not politicized the event painting Lee as a defiant or incompetent CEO. You also did all that with no mention on this thread or elsewhere about the presidents running corps poorly according to the bar you set for Lee's corps in your post.

The post is more accurate for those players. As a group probably they have greater than a 6:1 ratio of corps in your countries when compared to Lee's.

Silly wabbit. Things changed between my request to lee and your intervention. Both were true at time of writing. Sub 150 will not get you full hiring in my countries unless I decide to provide excess population. At 6GC a million, an option I do not often want to use.

I have explained many times why I posted about Lee only, because of his NLUO affiliation. The other ceos received private attention.

Please go from this now. You are/were no help, and you are now trolling to dig me out.

Bon chance, mon cheri.

Aww, don't use that word trolling lightly. A lot of it going on these days and it ain't all on my end. All is far....

Secretary Wendy. You can make someone believe the truth. I know you tear your hair out about these nations who doubletalk, or they think that their reality is the actually reality. The Game Masters watch our government, and they are waiting us out, to see how long we last. On the public voting, the majority wants a world government. Also King Lord Lee suggested feds be able to share gold coins and SC$. This government is going to last> No worries Ma'dam Secretary.

You better not be saying I'm doubletalking Hez.

I do not get involved in the drama and bullshit that you and yours do.

I use reason and logic. Do not undo any mending you may have done with me. I am not a baby to be toyed with. My reputation precedes me.

I shalln't bother to try to go through your system again. Anyone can see for themselves where that gets you.

Good day sir. And dont answer me back, it would show bad form.

OK I'll answer you then. Asking for an investigation of an NLUO member actually gets you a thorough and complete investigation of a list of facts that expose your poor attempts to provoke a reaction by nationalizing Lee's corps.

You are a double talker CC. You are a liar and a thief. You have a problem with the NLUO and you used Lee's corps as an avenue to carry out that vendetta. The facts couldn't have been more opposite of what you claimed.

Asshat exposed. But yeah, since I actually investigated your bogus claims, that's me trolling. Lol. O...k....

This had to be one of the worst attempts at trickery I have ever witnessed. It was even better because you thought you had your bases covered. Don't forget you didn't even want to name a corp or a country where a problem corp existed. Because there was only one that actually was producing at 114% compared to 115%, and all while other presidents in your country were actually doing much worse.

What a straight shooter you are(NOT). My papa always told me, "you can't bullshit THEE Bullshiter

Woman speak with forked tounge.

I nationalised zip.

My request was legitimate. Thats what fair people do Wendy, try the reasonable route first.

About trickery and such, well thats just mumbo jumbo.

Lee's corps produced well below 100%. I suppose I'll have to see if I can download the corp history just to shut your ranting up. But why would I bother, you would create nonsense from that too. Lee fixed his corps meanwhile. His salaries went from around 150 to 190.

You are getting so boring sweetpea, you know you are wrong, you just want to rant at someone. Liar and thief is getting a bit strong though. Thief, thieved what? as you are well aware nothing got nationalised because Lee sorted it out, not you, not your ranting, not your twisted version of things, no. Because I was reasonable with Lee and asked NLUO to use their system. Lie, I dont lie, I dont play like that. Liars always come unstuck.

So hush now my hormonial friend, it's not your business, hush, calm, lavender, evening primrose oil, go to your nice place....there....