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Mr. Johanas Bilderburg Lay down your KING NOW!!!! (Little Upsilon)

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Nute Gunray (Little Upsilon)
16 Jan 2009 05:17 Link
Greetings to all the fine sim country presidents and CEOs. I have been having a blast with the ski trip.
However, I was truly missing this world of make believe. So now it is back to business.

So first things first. I wish to extend a great big note of thanks to both Ms. Wendy ShcyzMattiCa of Little Upsilon, and Mr. Crossdale of Little Upsilon for offering rebuttals to the outrageous demands of the unscrupulous, and psychotic Mr. Johanas Bilderburg of Little Upsilon a.k.a Mr. Sam Houston a.k.a Quetzalcoatl God of War. For your bold defense for my rights I am truly grateful.

Next I must address the fact that upon my return to the office my Administrative Assistant, Ms. Cindy Blue has reported to me that neither Mr. Dubhthaigh of Little Upsilon a.k.a Caretaker, nor Mr. Stuart Taylor of Little Upsilon has attempted to contact me concerning setting up a meeting to try to work out some kind of of a peace agreement. Perhaps all of Ms. Wendy's and Mr. Crossdale's rebuttals finally made you realize the error in Mr. Houston's line of logic. I am more inclined to believe that you feel that your time is perhaps more valuable then mine. Additionally, I am inclined to believe that you think that my thoughts on the state of this conflict do not matter. Whatever the case may be I suppose I do not really care what your excuses may be. I will state for the record that I do not believe you were ever willing to listen to my side of this whole grizzly and cruel war between myself and LDI. Nor were you prepared to be faithful, and neutral mediators, but that your real agenda was to try to force upon myself and my federations your own ideas of how the conflict should be solved.

This leads me to my next topic. I have consulted with both my accountant and my lawyer concerning the ramifications of your proposed peace agreement.

Mr. Jim Wiess, my accountant, advised me that I should not give up any of my countries. He stated that he believed that the amount of entertainment derived from the countries that I own provided the greatest return of all of my entertainment investments. He also stated that W3 Creative had indeed made a mmog that is a worthwhile investment. He further stated that just because some nosy third party tries to impose their will on me does not mean that I have to go along with their belligerence. Finally, he went on to state that the very fact that Mr. Houston was so angered over the fact that I was not dumping any of my countries was well worth the 30 gold coin per month rent that simcountry charges.

Mr. David Greer my lawyer offered several worthwhile insights as well. First he asserted that Mr. Caretaker's proposed peace agreement was not a binding agreement for me since I had not agreed to it in either a written or a verbal format. Additionally, this agreement is not binding for the United Confederation Federation as our charter has very specific language concerning all such international agreements:

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Article II, Section 3, Agreements:
No agreement is considered official unless both a majority of members of The United Confederation have approved of it and the agreement is in writing. Until an agreement has become official it will only be considered binding with the member that proposed the agreement and the other player, federation or common market. No agreement made should sacrifice any member of The United Confederation who has not violated this Charter.<!-/Quote-!>




Mr. Greer also stated that since the 2 countries of mine that are in question were never involved in the war with LDI, and that their worth is much more than that of a C3 that they should in no wise be considered as "war C3s." Conversely there are 2 of Mr. Johanas Bilderburg of Little Upsilon countries that were involved in the war and are about equal in worth to a C3. So I will assert that if anyone should be dumping any countries it is that Mr. Johanas Bilderburg of Little Upsilon should dispose of his 2 war C3s: Shooter One and Shooter Two.

I will however make no such outrageous demand of Mr. Johanas Bilderburg of Little Upsilon. I believe that he should have the same freedom that I am seeking, to run his empire however he sees fit. This is something that I had tried to impress on Mr. Stuart Taylor of Little Upsilon. I will not give in to anyone's desire to impose his or her will on me and on the way that I run my empire. You Mr. Stuart Taylor of Little Upsilon said you did not want to allow this to occur either, but what about this statement from you.

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Hey All. I have been approached by a member of LDI who states that certain opposing countries are still in place in violation of the peace treaty.

I am informed that all LDI members have withdrawn to an agreed distance, and would appreciate it if opposing forces could do the same.

There are also countries which retain there 'war name', and if these could be changed, it would ensure peace for a slightly unstable LU.

Thankyou.<!-/Quote-!>




You Mr. Stuart Taylor of Little Upsilon are even trying to dup everyone into thinking that there is a peace treaty, when at the very most what we have is a cease fire agreement. There is a big difference.

Finally I ask for you to consider this Mr. Stuart Taylor of Little Upsilon you made the following statement in another thread that is exactly opposite to what I perceive you have tried to formulate in this thread.

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Ah. Thanks for the quote Sam. Anyway, I take it that you are the agressor here Wendy? As a neutral bystander, surely that if an innocent country is attacked, they have the right to either defend themselves or offer peace on their terms? The agressor in any situation should not be able to dictate peace terms, but should wait and see what is offered or agreed to, unless they have been continuously proveked. Have you been continiously provoked Wendy?<!-/Quote-!>


It is my belief that since LDI was the aggressor I should have the right to defend myself against LDI. Furthermore that LDI should not be dictating any terms towards me or towards any of the presidents in my confederations. So perhaps you Mr. Stuart Taylor of Little Upsilon should start minding your own business and remain a "neutral bystander." Because the following statement is how I am now prone to perceive you.




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The purpose of every belligerent is to impose his will on his opponent. Trying to induce others to abide by one's wishes is a common human aim, applicable to individuals and groups as well as nations. The only distinction between ordinary human disputes and war is that war is an act of violence in which one side exerts force against the other side. If a side could attain its purpose without force it, of course, would do so, since no nation will attack unless there is resistance. For this reason the nineteenth-century Prussian theorist Carl von Clausewitz defined war as the continuation of national policy by other means.<!-/Quote-!>



So MY final answer is I will keep what is mine and I shall not entertain further discussion to any opposing demands.!!!


Final thoughts.
The more I have had to deal with the LDI and various others that are wanting to post in these forums in opposition to Ms. Wendy ShcyzMattiCa of Little Upsilon, the more I realize that she sees a valuable truth.
I would like to shout that truth out to all of simcountry "Belligerents beware!! You may think you are so powerful but in reality it is just a game, and I do not care just how powerful you might think you are. If you want to confront me with an unprovoked war I am going to hurt you. As was noted in another thread my army got stronger but LDI's army shrunk.
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In closing my real life boss is overjoyed that I unleashed such a tumultuous assault of nuclear disasters against LDI, and continued to encourage me to "Nuke em some more, nuke em again for me!!!" Mr. Johanas Bilderburg of Little Upsilon lay down your King! Now!



Mr. Nute Gunray the Viceroy

Chairman of THE BLUE TEAM on Little Upsilon

Chairman of United Confederation on Golden Rainbow
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L3athalSerph (Little Upsilon)
16 Jan 2009 09:07 Link
well now welcome back Nute.
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Alecto (Little Upsilon)
16 Jan 2009 09:49 Link
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neither Mr. Dubhthaigh of Little Upsilon a.k.a Caretaker, nor Mr. Stuart Taylor of Little Upsilon has attempted to contact me concerning setting up a meeting to try to work out some kind of of a peace agreement.<!-/Quote-!>



As you already stated, you have just come back from a ski trip. I attempted to contact you when the peace agreement was being made, and as soon as i managed too you told me you were busy and logged off. DO you expect me to find out your phone numbers and phone you whilst on holiday?

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You Mr. Stuart Taylor of Little Upsilon are even trying to dup everyone into thinking that there is a peace treaty, when at the very most what we have is a cease fire agreement. There is a big difference.<!-/Quote-!>



There is a cease fire agreement. Check on the forum.

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Article II, Section 3, Agreements:
No agreement is considered official unless both a majority of members of The United Confederation have approved of it and the agreement is in writing. Until an agreement has become official it will only be considered binding with the member that proposed the agreement and the other player, federation or common market. No agreement made should sacrifice any member of The United Confederation who has not violated this Charter.<!-/Quote-!>



I was not made aware of this when Dizzy agreed to the cease fire on behalf of every involved party on his side.

Furthermore, when i specifically enquired as to whether this cease fire would be binding to everyone on your side of the war, Dizzy, Nute etc, he categorically said it did.

Dizzy's word was good enough for me in that case, and any further disagreements should not be directed at me.

Regarding those two countries that remain on Sam's borders, i would be happy to buy them from you in the name of peace.
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The Grand Poobah (Golden Rainbow)
16 Jan 2009 13:45 Link
If a vote has never been held, the official UC guidelines void the agreement. Such is stated in the official charter. Several times.

Just for public record, the UC does not exist as an entity on LU, one parties implied consent cannot dictate that of the others. Especially since no designated federation complex is involved.
Thus stating- cease fire was nullified from the time it's creation. No person, other than Dizzy, is bound to said agreement.
This is in no ways a declaration of hostile intentions. Just clarifacation on the current situation.
Thank you,
Poobah
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Johanas Bilderburg (Golden Rainbow)
16 Jan 2009 20:56 Link
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Nor were you prepared to be faithful, and neutral mediators, but that your real agenda was to try to force upon myself and my federations your own ideas of how the conflict should be solved.<!-/Quote-!>




So once again the words of a UC member are worthless, banal, and deceptive. And any diplomatic communications are not worth the bandwidth to post them. How surprising.


Look its my shocked face...

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The Grand Poobah
16 Jan 2009 23:31 Link
once again for those who did not read.
I can go Lawyer speak all day if you want me to.

If a vote has never been held, the official UC guidelines void the agreement. Such is stated in the official charter. Several times.

Just for public record, the UC does not exist as an entity on LU, one parties implied consent cannot dictate that of the others. Especially since no designated federation complex is involved.
Thus stating- cease fire was nullified from the time it's creation. No person, other than Dizzy, is bound to said agreement.
This is in no ways a declaration of hostile intentions. Just clarifacation on the current situation.
Thank you,
Poobah
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The Grand Poobah
16 Jan 2009 23:42 Link
The UC is a loose complex of Nation States that share economic and Military support. Each President retains independence of choice and will. As long as the charter is not violated in unflattering means, presidents are free to do as they choose.
This allows free thought.

It also prevents- one person speaking for the fed.
Which is against the whole foundation of the UC.
One person may claim to be in control, when in all reality, the chairman can be likened to a bullrider.
You no more control the beast then the beast controls you. Nute is a good chairman because he enjoys rush.
Trust me. I will investigate, but for Internal UC matters.
Once again- Without a vote of direct consent given, the UC Does not HAVE to abide by any treaties, ceasefires and such.
Such is the way of TRUE democracy in action.
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Alecto (Little Upsilon)
16 Jan 2009 23:52 Link
You say the UC charter forbids a treaty without majority consent yes. However, is it not the case the UC charter forbids the UC to be a fed on any other world than GR? If so, a majority vote is not needed.

Dizzy must have spoken for you as a group of players warring on the same side, not as UC chairman to UC members. Don't try and wriggle out of this. If you want war, it's not my place to try and stop you satisfying it. Just don't use contradictory bullshit to justify it
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The Grand Poobah
17 Jan 2009 00:14 Link
Just for public record, the UC does not exist as an entity on LU, one parties implied consent cannot dictate that of the others. Especially since no designated federation complex is involved.
Thus stating- cease fire was nullified from the time it's creation. No person, other than Dizzy, is bound to said agreement.

as copied from two posts up.
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Alecto (Little Upsilon)
17 Jan 2009 00:32 Link
Dizzy spoke for your side in the agreement, he definitely said it applied to all of you. If the UC is not on LU then the majority rule does not apply.

Either say Dizzy was wrong/lied about the truce being binding, or abide by it.
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Grayson301 (Little Upsilon)
17 Jan 2009 01:12 Link
Oh Boy looks like WAR is on the horizion again..
Note
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Remember Acme is proud to produce a Gaint Slingshot (A.K.A Land based cruise missle battery) for your consumption.
Notice of disclaimer:
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sincerely,
CEO and General manager of ACME INC
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ShcyzMattiCa (Little Upsilon)
17 Jan 2009 01:37 Link
Thank You Acme INC., The order will be placed for 1,000,000 of your best slingshots. Prepare the rocks as well(A.K.A. LBCM Missiles) The order is in in the amount of 200,000,000 million.


Also prepare the potatoe gunz ( A.K.A. CMB) the order is in place for the amount of 250,000.


Also prepare the potatoez, the order has been placed in the amount of 50,000,000 million.

I will use them well.
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The Grand Poobah
17 Jan 2009 01:53 Link
"Either say Dizzy was wrong/lied about the truce being binding, or abide by it."

I cannot say yes or no..to either.

I was not present during the discussion with Diz. You may be telling the truth, you might not. He might have been misquoted. He may have lied. He may have misworded his statement.
To many variables are possible.


I merely (as Chief Legal consultant) was pointing out the Laws and Legislation at play.
I can sit here all day argueing loopholes, truths and half truths, but I prefer to show facts. And that is what I have tried to show repeatedly.
You can use the info as you please.
My view has already been stated.
Poobah
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The Grand Poobah
17 Jan 2009 01:54 Link
@wendy- Don't forget to order sum Missle sponges :)
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Nute Gunray (Golden Rainbow)
17 Jan 2009 01:55 Link
Por lo tanto, mi respuesta final es que se mantenga lo que es mio y no voy a entretener a un nuevo debate se opongan a cualquier demanda.!

Dus mijn laatste antwoord is wat ik zal blijven is de mijne en ik zal niet entertainen verdere discussie eventuele tegengestelde eisen.!

Deci, raspunsul este MEU final voi pastra ceea ce este al meu si cu mine nu se distra mai mult de discutii pentru a se opune oricarei cereri.!!!

So MY final answer is I will keep what is mine and I shall not entertain further discussion to any opposing demands.!!!


So MY final answer is I will keep what is mine and I shall not entertain further discussion to any opposing demands.!!!

Mr. Nute Gunray the Viceroy

Chairman of THE BLUE TEAM on Little Upsilon

Chairman of United Confederation on Golden Rainbow
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John R
17 Jan 2009 01:59 Link
€

That's greek, right?
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ShcyzMattiCa (Little Upsilon)
17 Jan 2009 02:10 Link
Alecto (Little Upsilon)

d00d, we know who you are man, why change your name every other day.
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Nute Gunray (Golden Rainbow)
17 Jan 2009 02:11 Link
Yes some Greek and some other languages
After all it is all Greek - Greek to me.!!
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John R
17 Jan 2009 02:15 Link
Nope. The entire post was in greek. You wrote:

Έτσι, η τελική μου απάντηση είναι πως θα διατη�ήσει ό, τι είναι δικό μου και δεν θα ψυχαγωγήσει οποιαδήποτε πε�αιτέ�ω συζήτηση με αντικ�ουόμενες απαιτήσεις.!

Also, don't format your message in such a desperate manner. If someone were to call that spam, I could not argue.
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ShcyzMattiCa (Little Upsilon)
17 Jan 2009 02:17 Link
@wendy- Don't forget to order sum Missle sponges :)

Missile sponges . . . check CHECK!!
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Nute Gunray (Golden Rainbow)
17 Jan 2009 02:18 Link
I am glad ShcyzMattiCa of Little Upsilon knows who this Alecto Little Upsilon is. I guess you have to wake up real early to fool her. I was just about to use a question to try to find out the real idenity of Alecto Little Upsilon.
Alecto just who in the blue (expletive deleted) are you??

Mr. Nute Gunray the Viceroy

Chairman of THE BLUE TEAM on Little Upsilon

Chairman of United Confederation on Golden Rainbow
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ShcyzMattiCa (Little Upsilon)
17 Jan 2009 02:19 Link
Oooh LMAO!!
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Nute Gunray (Golden Rainbow)
17 Jan 2009 02:26 Link
Yes I am ROFLMBO. translates rolling on the floor laughing my behind off. I would hate for the higher powers to think I was using swear language in the forum.

Ha Ha spam is good to eat good to eat. But I would rather have some prime rib.
better yet some banana pudding with a bit of vanillia waffers thrown in.

Mr. Nute Gunray the Viceroy

Chairman of THE BLUE TEAM on Little Upsilon

Chairman of United Confederation on Golden Rainbow
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Alecto (Golden Rainbow)
17 Jan 2009 02:26 Link
I believe there is an appropriate topic in the general forum "Noob Spam" for this type of conversation. I suggest you take advantage of it.
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John R
17 Jan 2009 02:30 Link
I know what you wrote in greek. The same you wrote in the other languages and again in english.

Your spam comes in the form of large letters on a blue font.

Soon, players will get annoyed.