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Nationlized Corporation !!! (Little Upsilon)

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Jo Salkilld (Golden Rainbow)
04 Jan 2012 01:15 Link
I have kept out of this thread so far but, reading the recent comments, I cannot help but contribute.

@ Atlanta: anyone can build an LBC missiles corp on any planet. It's only trading the missiles that is restricted. This is why people build missiles corps - so that they can trade directly with their own countries without needing to meet the costs of space travel. Yes, players have countries and CEOs and, if played well, the two work in harmony ... until some idiot comes along and steals (yes, I said 'steals', and I use that word deliberately) a corp from you.

The corp belonged to Crafty. He spent time, effort and cash to build it. You may have repaid the cash, but not the time and effort. If you want an LBC missiles corp, build your own. If you don't want the corp in your country, ask the CEO to move it. But the corp was paying you good money to host it, irrespective of its profit, and you have now lost that income. More fool you! You asked the community to judge your actions. The first four posts on this thread were from people who have been playing this game for years, and they all agreed that there was a better alternative to the one you employed. I, too, have been playing this game for years and you can add me to the list of those who agree that your actions were misguided.

I experienced a similar thing recently. I built an LBC missiles corp in a C3. Someone new registered the country and, not realising the advantage of private corps, nationalised it. I counter-bid with my other CEO, injected cash to raise the value and moved the corp to another C3 and the bid didn't go through, but not everyone has those options. I also messaged the President of the country with a (fairly) harsh message, outlining how I viewed his action. He replied with an apology and a request for advice on how to play the game. I responded with mentoring and moved another corp into his country to help him. Win-win!

@ Renegade ... if thou wouldst embrace the language of thine ancestors, I prithee, ensure that thou understandeth and useth it in sooth. Mine ear is much discomforted by thy awkward tongue and, if thou canst not distinguish twixt subject and object, prithee employ the common parlance, lest mine anguish at thy grammatical errors overwhelm my reason.

It has been said often, but not recently, so I'll say it again. When you play a community-oriented game, such as this one, how well you do is very dependent on how you interact with the rest of the community. You wouldn't walk into a bar full of regulars, stand on the pool table and demand that everyone buy you drinks. You go in, start a few conversations, find out what the general 'rules' are and then decide whether you want to go back or not. If you do, then it's in your interest to do your best to fit in and make friends. That way you have a good time which, after all, is why we all play this game.

Hugs and respect

Jo
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Azyren1 (White Giant)
04 Jan 2012 03:21 Link
Hostile bids are stupid. Learned something from this thread. /CLOSE
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Atlanta (Fearless Blue)
04 Jan 2012 04:00 Link
As I stated above, he could bid on the corp then move out. That's it. END IT HERE
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SuperSoldierRCP (Little Upsilon)
04 Jan 2012 04:43 Link
@ Atlanta
Sounds like someone mad that they just got text bombed on by Jo... All the time I've been here that's the first time i think I've seen Jo accully have a harsh tone in his comment.
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Renegade (Fearless Blue)
04 Jan 2012 06:38 Link
Aha! Jo, thou failest to observe mine manner of speak tis not Shakespearean. I be but a commoner and not so elitist as thee.

"Hugs and respect",
But don't come too close! I would not want to pass the plaugue on to thee, who art so perfect.
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Azyren1 (White Giant)
04 Jan 2012 13:32 Link
Ye hath spelleth "plague" wrong, for ye arth a simpleton.
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Renegade (Fearless Blue)
05 Jan 2012 06:09 Link
As I sayeth, I am but a commoner.
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Aaron01 (White Giant)
05 Jan 2012 06:33 Link
@Supersoldier, all the time you have been here have you not learned Jo is a her?
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Psycho_Honey (Fearless Blue)
05 Jan 2012 07:01 Link
LOL
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Christopher Michael (Golden Rainbow)
05 Jan 2012 22:33 Link
This thread has been very entertaining! I don't know of a faster way to get a CEO angry than to hostile bid our corps!
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Huy_DaNang (Fearless Blue)
06 Jan 2012 00:55 Link
LOL. SC community has a good time. Thanks to the poster
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maclean (Kebir Blue)
06 Jan 2012 14:41 Link
Be it known to all and sundry, both serf and gentlefolk, that I am hereby going nuclear. I, too, have suffered the from the treachery of hostile bidding, and whoso biddeth on my corps shall verily glow in the darkness, be it e'er so stygian. Get thine own corps, forsooth, lest thy lands be transmogrified into self-lighting deserts of glass. Thou hast e'en been warned!
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Gothamloki (Little Upsilon)
06 Jan 2012 16:10 Link
Oh the other side of the coin, CEOs that refuse to supply their corps to the point they have 0% production are screaming for nationalization. Come on people! There's no excuse for that.
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Star Polarity (Little Upsilon)
06 Jan 2012 19:04 Link
I have a bunch of 10% corporations in my country that need help. Their stocks are all around 5 cents, and the game won't allow me to buy them because my country can only buy stock in corporations I control, and my investment fund can only buy stock in corporations not in my nation. How weird and artificial is that??
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maclean (Kebir Blue)
07 Jan 2012 15:08 Link
Gothamloki: You have a point there. If these are from inactive players, there should be some provision for nationalizing after a certain period of time. I'm not talking with forked tongue, I'm just thinking about both sides of the issue; There should be a safety valve somewhere that also doesn't make it easy to hostile bid willy-nilly.
Star: This situation is just another example of conspiracy. It seems to involve the sim-counterparts of the U.N., the Illuminati, the Bildebergers, and the Forest Grove folks, probably assisted by the MK Ultra boys and agents of the KGB working for the CIA, aided by Elvis, D.B.Cooper, and the Pope. Not that I'm paranoid or anything. :) :)
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SweetPea
21 Dec 2012 00:25 Link
Wow, how currently relevant is this thread. I am having a tough time explaining the obvious message in this thread to DrewCakes. Will someone point him in the direction of the thread. I hope he reads from it and learns something from it.
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Crafty
21 Dec 2012 19:03 Link
Indeed, I thought the same myself. Maybe there is a purpose in these bumped ancient threads...

I smell a conspiracy.
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Mizore
21 Dec 2012 21:39 Link
Hmm, I suppose there has been a theme in the threads being bumped by this authentication error, hasn't there?
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Drew
22 Dec 2012 04:22 Link
Well I read your post, and went back and got bored.

I'm not trying to justify the nationalization actions against you. I just wanted that situation to disapear, a conversation with its roots in a disagreement is likely to fall back to the roots of disagreement making our relationship based on it.

Weapon Corps are different you build them for resources not for profits. Supply corps are different you buy them for supplies to boost the profits of other corps. Space is different you build them for parts (I think). All else you buy for profits. EVERY CORP in this game has a twisted value, Supply corps don't become valued at what it saves your other corps, Weapon Corps aren't valued at what they are worth to the consumer if the owner is the consumer. And for profit corps are not valued at their instrinsic value or their value to the owner. Because of this people need to respect the rights of the owner of the corp. When I started Galactic Investment dude had 7 corps in my country and told me right away that I can nationalize them if I wanted before I ever contacted him. I had to pay trillions to get it accomplished. It is true that nationalization can overcompensate as well. After that the CEO's in countries 2-6 never ever responded to me. Country 7 and country 8 had a huge time difference in when I acquired them but Wendy your corp was in country 7, after long periods of attempted contact with no responses from every other CEO. I didn't want to do that again so I just took them.

That decision was wrong. As I said the value to the owner does not equal the market value. Right now market value on profitable corps is overly high and any nationalization bid is probably a blessing in disguise, however my decision was dead wrong. I understand that! I think I've proven to the community by now that I'm not and idiot. But we are products of our environment and no one is immune to the human condition of learning from experience.

In the case of nationalizing a weapon company or a supply company the Market Value has 0 bearing on it's actual value. I know your corp was not a weapon corp but I am uncertain if it was a supply corp. If it was a profit corp, that at least the profitability played a role in your compensation including a small boost to that effect. I'm not saying to justify my actions only to explain my actions my thoughts and my impatience, and more importantly the realization that I do understand the situation.

At the same time though, if the CEO is not being cooperative with the ideals of the country, the CEO should not take hostility if the president wants to change the situation. But of course not without the consul of the CEO first
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Michael VII
07 Jan 2013 10:25 Link
I want to thank you all for my education. I am still new to the game - because I am still learning - and expanded too quickly.

However, I am with the sound advisement of JoSalkilld and Gothamloki. Jo, I totally understand why you had a "harsh" tone.

I myself never touch Enterprise owned corporations because I always have monies coming in from them. I also do not call upon CEO's but am happy they take a chance on my empire. I also always (mostly) inform the CEO that taxes will be lowered once the economic situation improves.

Thank you all again for the "tips."
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SimcountryCEO
10 Jan 2013 13:37 Link
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@ Atlanta:

If someone builds a corporation in your country and it is a burden on your economy, tying up valuable workers and not contributing anything in taxes, it's fine to want that corporation gone. HOWEVER, you should warn the owner of that corporation ahead of time, to give them time to relocate that corporation to another country, before you nationalize it. A good rule of thumb is probably to give the CEO a minimum of two weeks notice before you nationalize. That way, the CEO can choose whether to keep his or her corporation, or to let you take it. It's more respectful that way, AND it will save your country money. This is because if the CEO relocates his or her corporation, the CEO's enterprise usually pays damages to your country, even if the corporation was bad for your country's economy anyway. In contrast, if you nationalize a corporation, you have to pay money to the CEO's enterprise, even if you didn't want the corporation and were merely going to close it anyway. So, in summary, you should always try to give a CEO enough time to relocate his or her corporation before you nationalize it. The only circumstance in which I would consider it acceptable to nationalize a CEO's corporation without warning is if the CEO's account hasn't shown any activity in ages. After all, I don't think there is really much point in given a CEO time to relocate his or her corporation, if that CEO hasn't been active in over a month anyway.
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SweetPea
10 Jan 2013 16:06 Link
Very sound points of advice Simcountry CEO.

On a lighter note, anybody seen Drew lately?

I don't want to have to go through the worlds like I'm in a "Where's Waldo" book to say hello.


Drewbie,Drewbie, Dreeeew... where are you!?!?!?